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Thread: [Quarter Finals] Game 81/A: Lithuania - Italy

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmax View Post
    then explain to me, why does Kleiza keeps on getting 25+ minutes every game, despite sucking ass most of the time? And yeah, nice comparison with NBA here LOL. Even when he was playing badly, he still got around 20 minutes to find his game. But no, not on this lithuanian team apparently
    You know, i agree with you about Kleiza, Kazlauskas should play him less in yesterday game, it was a mistake to keep him so long, but because it was a mistake it doesn't mean benching JV was a mistake too. Is it hard to understand? Jonas defense was not existing yesterday against Cusin, Cusin was to fast for him, he played more like a PF so Jonas wasn't fast enough to return to the basket and so on. You chose your players to fit oponents best. And yes JV was able to have 20 min. in NBA (should i mention to you game tim in NBA is 48 min?) when he was having a bad day insted of 28-30. But it was a FCKN REGULAR SEASON, 82 games(!!!), not one game witch can decide everything. Mister your basketball understanding is a shame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baelor View Post
    Reminds me of you !
    yeah, that useless overrated Valanciunas is the root of all problems in our NT. Let's blame him for everything while we're at it - the fact that he barely plays means nothing of course, he still should be posting 20 and 20 in 5 minutes. Yup, I wonder what NBA managers still see in this bum

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmax View Post
    what inbound pass?
    Maciulis was pissed for nothing there - Val was setting a screen and the other Jonas probably just didn't like the way he did it. Not the first time Maciulis is pissed at someone for no reason as well
    Seems you didn't see a game, Maciulis was pasing to Jonas from the line, what screen are you talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmax View Post
    yeah, that useless overrated Valanciunas is the root of all problems in our NT. Let's blame him for everything while we're at it - the fact that he barely plays means nothing of course, he still should be posting 20 and 20 in 5 minutes. Yup, I wonder what NBA managers still see in this bum
    You know you are most primitive demagogue i've ever seen. Tell me where and when anyone said JV is useless and root of problems in our team? Because you created that nonsense yourself it didn't change into truth. Root of our problems is lack of second pg. Every player had a bad day in this EC and was benched, so what is your problem? If i undestand you correct we had risk everything and keep JV who was playing bad yesterday for 30min on the flour? Mister use some poison, make some good in this world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmax View Post
    yeah, that useless overrated Valanciunas is the root of all problems in our NT. Let's blame him for everything while we're at it - the fact that he barely plays means nothing of course, he still should be posting 20 and 20 in 5 minutes. Yup, I wonder what NBA managers still see in this bum
    Didn't understand your reply. I quated your post about being pissed off for nothing and you give me a shitload of ironical words about Valanciunas. Why? He played bad yesterday and he had to sit out the culmination. Best decission of Kazlauskas. Anyway I still agree that such a player as Valanciunas has to feel the rhythm of the game (i.e. play more minutes) to be most valuable, but not when the medals are at stake....

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    Valanciunas had bad game yesterday but stopped already ...He is young player and not ready to be the men of the team,he is just too young kazlauskas too said that.He is very talented,but all of his 4 games of 1/4 (Macedonia,puerturico,russia,italia) so far were disasters its shows he is not strong mentally...he was scared yesterday and couldnt find his place on the floor.But that stronger mentality its comes with such games experience.Lets say Motiejunas case he is diferent cat,he was not affraid even in his first 1/4 game.Jonas has softer character and in such do or die game you have to be ready to fight and Valanciunas is not that kind of player.But put all blame on 21 years youngster not fair.Who cares that he had bad game WE WON THE GAME.Today i know Jonas and Linas both gonna play better.Same happend with Kuzminskas his character are soft too.
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    Enjoyable game, fun to watch!

    Congrats LTU for W... since Italy put a lot of effot to came back and at the end of 3rd most of the "momentum" was for Italy.

    Really unexpected to me seing Italian Big man(s) (??big??) being able to overcome, or al least limit, LTU bigs.

    At the same time LTU guards were better than Italian ones, even if I think less talent for LTU guards.

    Kalnietis really controlled the game from the beginning. Seibutis and Pocius killed it with super shots. Maciulis only usefull thingk, the usual "bull".

    Aradori got insulted (too) much on Italian forum.. .but he deserved most of that: completely out of the game, and in the final 2 minutes not only he did damages.. but also bad chioces consecutively going for a layup instead of threes... it was hard to win anyway.. but that chioces made it impossible.

    I think LTU can win again against CRO.

    Let's now hope ITA will qualify for Spain2014:
    starting five Hackett - Belinelli - Gallinari - Datome - Bargnani
    bench Diener - Cinciarini - Gentile - Aradori - Polonara - Cuccarolo (or Melli) - Cusin

    sounds good
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    BTW... after such an effort.. playing UKR @14:30 sounds cruel
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    Madmax, do you understand that nobody f**kin cares, how JV played in the NBA? We need that he'd deliver now! Did he do that? Nope, he sucked BIG time. He need more time, you say? How much? 30,40minutes? You think, that after sucking for 39 minutes, he'll begin to do miracles in that last one minute? We don't need that! Either you play consistently well, or you are sitting on the bench. That's the advantage of having 6 big guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawshank View Post
    Valanciunas had bad game yesterday but stopped already ...He is young player and not ready to be the men of the team,he is just too young kazlauskas too said that.He is very talented,but all of his 4 games of 1/4 (Macedonia,puerturico,russia,italia) so far were disasters its shows he is not strong mentally...he was scared yesterday and couldnt find his place on the floor.But that stronger mentality its comes with such games experience.Lets say Motiejunas case he is diferent cat,he was not affraid even in his first 1/4 game.Jonas has softer character and in such do or die game you have to be ready to fight and Valanciunas is not that kind of player.But put all blame on 21 years youngster not fair.Who cares that he had bad game WE WON THE GAME.Today i know Jonas and Linas both gonna play better.Same happend with Kuzminskas his character are soft too.
    I hate to bring facts into your little story, but I don't see how getting 7 pts 3 reb 2 stl in the QF makes Motiejunas mentally tougher than Jonas getting 7 pts 9 reb 1 bs in 16 minutes in the QF vs Russia, or 3 pts 6 reb 1 st 2 bs in the QF vs FYROM at the age of 19 under the biggest pressure imaginable, playing at home.

    Jonas' biggest problem is that he is given superstar level expectations from the fans and experts but a benchwarmer level trust from the coach. If you expect a player to perform well every night you have to trust him. Everybody is going to have bad stretches during games, even the most important ones. For example : Spanoullis at this years Euroleague finals, didn't score a point in the 1st half. Did the coach bench him for the rest of the game ? No, he trusted him to get out of his slump and he scored 21 in the 2nd half, and won the title.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Listas View Post
    I hate to bring facts into your little story, but I don't see how getting 7 pts 3 reb 2 stl in the QF makes Motiejunas mentally tougher than Jonas getting 7 pts 9 reb 1 bs in 16 minutes in the QF vs Russia, or 3 pts 6 reb 1 st 2 bs in the QF vs FYROM at the age of 19 under the biggest pressure imaginable, playing at home.

    Jonas' biggest problem is that he is given superstar level expectations from the fans and experts but a benchwarmer level trust from the coach. If you expect a player to perform well every night you have to trust him. Everybody is going to have bad stretches during games, even the most important ones. For example : Spanoullis at this years Euroleague finals, didn't score a point in the 1st half. Did the coach bench him for the rest of the game ? No, he trusted him to get out of his slump and he scored 21 in the 2nd half, and won the title.
    your example is so funny with spanulis and valanciunas that there is no need to talk here.If you compare experience lion like spanulis with scared youngster valanciunas in important game,you show your understanding of basketball.Yeah kazlauskas is idiot he should kept player on the floor that was making damage for our team yesterday both on defence and on offence too,because our newspapers said valanciunas is star...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Listas View Post
    For example : Spanoullis at this years Euroleague finals, didn't score a point in the 1st half. Did the coach bench him for the rest of the game ? No, he trusted him to get out of his slump and he scored 21 in the 2nd half, and won the title.
    Your example is a load of crap, and you know why? Did you know how many guards Greece had in this EB? If you didn't I'll tell you - 4, and those guys were Spanoulis, Zissis, Sloukas, Bramos, while Bramos quite often played SF, so Greek coach pretty much had 3(!) guards for 2(!) positions. While in our NT there's no need to try keeping some big in game just because sometime down the stretch he'll start playing well, no - you remove one player and put another in and see if this other player does a better job. No, he doesn't? Here you go, we have another one! Actually we have a whole bunch of those over here on a bench. I hope you see my point...
    People don't come with instruction manuals, that's why to figure them out, you have to press their buttons...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toxicity View Post
    Seibutis, Maciulis, Kalnietis and Pocius combined for 58 points... i wonder if that will ever happen again....
    Quote Originally Posted by baelor View Post
    Kalnietis, Maciulis, Pocius and Seibutis were amazing. I had no idea that we would see a great game from all of these four in one match. Truly great.
    Quote Originally Posted by radallo View Post
    At the same time LTU guards were better than Italian ones, even if I think less talent for LTU guards.

    Kalnietis really controlled the game from the beginning. Seibutis and Pocius killed it with super shots. Maciulis only usefull thing, the usual "bull".
    These four fellows were indeed absolutely magnificent yesterday!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashtrusis_dantis View Post
    Root of our problems is lack of second pg.
    And that's what worries me in today's game against Croatia. The four of them together played 116 minutes out of a possible 120 minutes at the one, two and three positions yesterday. Kalnietis himself played 37 minutes. They'll get tired out if they have to put in that much time on the court again today. Mindaugas Kuzminskas must absolutely, positively overcome his jitters today so that he can take some of the load off Jonas Mačiulis in particular. And hopefully Tomas Delininkaitis will be able to contribute some productive court time to spell Kalnietis.

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    without stamina in the last quarter we played very well for 20-25 minutes,but lituania was too strong in every aspect of the game at the end...

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmax View Post
    Not the first time Maciulis is pissed at someone for no reason as well
    Yes. Mačiulis can perhaps be a bit too willing to express his unvarnished opinion on the court:




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