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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRodster21 View Post
    Off topic but what do you think of Aldous Torculas?
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    Legit athlete, but his offense is literal trash. He could be really good, but he's really raw. For his level of athleticism, he's incredibly inefficient (10 percentage points below average TS%) and he only shoots 35% from 2. They experiment with him as a ball handler (which is good), but he's very TO prone (5th in Adjusted TO%). This experimentation could maybe lead to him becoming a good ball handler in the next level. But, the bad side is he's starting to develop bad shooting habits. He takes 48.84% (Padrigao takes 50.19% of his shots from 3 for a comparison) of his shots from 3 (might be by design, might be poor handles, might be because his team is bad) and this could result into over shooting down the line. This also results to him not drawing FTs as much as his body type or athleticism would suggest. Top tier UAAP athletes like Cholo and Lopez have a 40+ FT rate (42.7 for Cholo, 56.5 for Lopez), but Torculas is only at 24.19 (which is below Forthsky even).

    He has really good counting stats on defense, but that's partially because he plays a lot of minutes (most in the league) and UP plays the fastest.

    For rebounds, he's 1st raw, but 6th pace adjusted. For assists, he's 3rd raw, but 16th (!) pace adjusted. For steals, he's 2nd raw, 7th pace adjusted. For blocks, he's 2nd raw and adjusted and he has the second best block percentage in the UAAP (after Lopez).

    But I don't think he's as good defensively as the numbers suggest. UP was the worst defensive team (BY FAR) in the UAAP (and 2nd worst overall). His big numbers and minutes did not translate as good defense. He's a good athlete with great potential on that end, but at the moment, he isn't really all that. Him making the Mythical 5 doesn't make sense, but he has a ton of potential and is being developed in an environment that encourages experimentation which could benefit him in the long run.
    As for shooting, he has to work on his free throws and midrange game first. Those are better indicators than the 3-ball.

    He's what, 16, 17? He has a lot of time to grow, and he looks like he has a high ceiling. Hopefully he works hard to reach that.

    Good thing he plays in an environment which encourages experimentation. Hopefully, that will be true for Demisana, so he can be encouraged to develop into at least a versatile combo forward.

    By the way, where do you get those advanced stats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dubidub View Post
    As long as its not in the PBA, I'd be satisfied. NBA, Euroleague, NBL, CBA ok na. As long as he becomes a monster for Gilas.
    We should expect this for every cadet talented enough to make it abroad. Hopefully more amateurs consider going to overseas leagues para at least masanay sa laro doon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IPC View Post
    We should expect this for every cadet talented enough to make it abroad. Hopefully more amateurs consider going to overseas leagues para at least masanay sa laro doon.
    more pinoy ballers playing abroad, the better.. hope someday KBL will open doors to pinoy ballers..

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    Can anybody tell me what happened to this Kobe??
    I have already forgotten that he can play like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Killer View Post
    more pinoy ballers playing abroad, the better.. hope someday KBL will open doors to pinoy ballers..
    Wow. I am agreeing on a lot of your posts and opinion today.

    Yeah. It is both good and bad.

    Good: It means our players are International level players/overseas level players.

    Bad: it shows that our country doesnt have the capability to develop our own players. Which is true

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    Quote Originally Posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
    Wow. I am agreeing on a lot of your posts and opinion today.

    Yeah. It is both good and bad.

    Good: It means our players are International level players/overseas level players.

    Bad: it shows that our country doesnt have the capability to develop our own players. Which is true
    The good may outweigh the bad in the future. The ones that did make it would be able to pass on the knowledge of how they were developed overseas. Depends if the coaching staffs will take the advice of the players who played abroad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spidey102279 View Post


    Can anybody tell me what happened to this Kobe??
    I have already forgotten that he can play like this.
    Maybe he just looks good on highlight clips.. he looked much more fluid and coordinated in that video

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    Quote Originally Posted by spidey102279 View Post


    Can anybody tell me what happened to this Kobe??
    I have already forgotten that he can play like this.
    That is a SG Kobe Paras back then. He have handles, athleticism, and shooting.

    That Kind of Kove died.

    Kobe is a Combo Forward now at 6'6 and stronger body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatweirdguy View Post
    Maybe he just looks good on highlight clips.. he looked much more fluid and coordinated in that video
    Yup, thought of the same thing. And the defense kinda looked lackadaisical. Still tho, I believe this kind of Kobe could still emerge. Too much humps and delays in his development.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spidey102279 View Post


    Can anybody tell me what happened to this Kobe??
    I have already forgotten that he can play like this.
    This is why highlights and mixtapes aren’t the best way to gauge if a person has the skills or not. It’s to watch full games.

    This is a scouting report from when Kobe was around 17-18
    Strengths: -Excellent physical profile. 6' 7” with a strong frame (upper and lower body) and long arms. -Bouncy athlete. Good first step. Can play above the rim with ease. -Very good shooter, especially when he's able to step into it. Shows potential as a shooter off the bounce. Footwork isn't great but he's able to create space off the bounce. Uses step backs. Throws ball in basket -Shot 27/73 (37%) for 3 and 55/71 (71%) from the free throw line this summer in 21 adidas event games. -Can straight line drive. Comfortable with the ball in his hands. -Has the tools to be very good defensively. -Has plenty of upside to continue to develop into a versatile all-around player

    Weaknesses: -Average passer who has room to improve on his feel for the game. Almost always looking to score. Loves to isolate and force up off balance jumpers. Tunnel vision while he's on the move. Throws up wild layups. -Average finisher around the basket. Lacks a degree of toughness and physicality. -Shot just 47% for 2 this summer in 21 adidas event games. -Has some edge to him but not always in a positive way. Talks a lot of trash. -Comfortable, but not an advanced ball handler. -Needs to improve his footwork off the bounce. Every pull up is into a jump stop rather than a 1-2. -Jump shot can be a little streaky. Flings the ball at the rim from time to time. -Not always engaged defensively. Can do a better job bending his knees and sitting down in a stance.

    Outlook: Paras, who came to the US two years ago, is the son of Benjie Paras, a famous basketball player, TV actor and movie star in the Philippines. He has the physical profile, athleticism and shooting ability of a high-major wing, and potentially a NBA prospect. He can score at all three levels, finish above the rim and has the tools to be a very good defender. The UCLA commit, however, has a long way to go in terms of playing the game the right way and fitting into a team scheme. He does a lot of things that may earn him a very short leash very quickly under head coach Steve Alford. With that said, if Paras is willing to put in the work and can find a way to think the game at a higher level and become more of a team player, he has a chance to be a high-level player in the Pac-12 and set himself up for a successful future beyond the college ranks., possibly in the NBA depending on how his skill-set evolves. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kobe-Paras-85175/ ©DraftExpress

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRodster21 View Post
    This is why highlights and mixtapes aren’t the best way to gauge if a person has the skills or not. It’s to watch full games.

    This is a scouting report from when Kobe was around 17-18
    Strengths: -Excellent physical profile. 6' 7” with a strong frame (upper and lower body) and long arms. -Bouncy athlete. Good first step. Can play above the rim with ease. -Very good shooter, especially when he's able to step into it. Shows potential as a shooter off the bounce. Footwork isn't great but he's able to create space off the bounce. Uses step backs. Throws ball in basket -Shot 27/73 (37%) for 3 and 55/71 (71%) from the free throw line this summer in 21 adidas event games. -Can straight line drive. Comfortable with the ball in his hands. -Has the tools to be very good defensively. -Has plenty of upside to continue to develop into a versatile all-around player

    Weaknesses: -Average passer who has room to improve on his feel for the game. Almost always looking to score. Loves to isolate and force up off balance jumpers. Tunnel vision while he's on the move. Throws up wild layups. -Average finisher around the basket. Lacks a degree of toughness and physicality. -Shot just 47% for 2 this summer in 21 adidas event games. -Has some edge to him but not always in a positive way. Talks a lot of trash. -Comfortable, but not an advanced ball handler. -Needs to improve his footwork off the bounce. Every pull up is into a jump stop rather than a 1-2. -Jump shot can be a little streaky. Flings the ball at the rim from time to time. -Not always engaged defensively. Can do a better job bending his knees and sitting down in a stance.

    Outlook: Paras, who came to the US two years ago, is the son of Benjie Paras, a famous basketball player, TV actor and movie star in the Philippines. He has the physical profile, athleticism and shooting ability of a high-major wing, and potentially a NBA prospect. He can score at all three levels, finish above the rim and has the tools to be a very good defender. The UCLA commit, however, has a long way to go in terms of playing the game the right way and fitting into a team scheme. He does a lot of things that may earn him a very short leash very quickly under head coach Steve Alford. With that said, if Paras is willing to put in the work and can find a way to think the game at a higher level and become more of a team player, he has a chance to be a high-level player in the Pac-12 and set himself up for a successful future beyond the college ranks., possibly in the NBA depending on how his skill-set evolves. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kobe-Paras-85175/ ©DraftExpress
    yup i know, but still he has skillset in that highlights that he cannot do (or no confidence doing) anymore today. thats what I am emphasizing. Like when he drove thru the paint, he had a variety of shots in that highlights, but now he seems to doesnt know what to do once he is already in the paint when he know he cant dunk it. And he is more confident with his handle in thar video compare today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRodster21 View Post
    This is why highlights and mixtapes aren’t the best way to gauge if a person has the skills or not. It’s to watch full games.

    This is a scouting report from when Kobe was around 17-18
    Strengths: -Excellent physical profile. 6' 7” with a strong frame (upper and lower body) and long arms. -Bouncy athlete. Good first step. Can play above the rim with ease. -Very good shooter, especially when he's able to step into it. Shows potential as a shooter off the bounce. Footwork isn't great but he's able to create space off the bounce. Uses step backs. Throws ball in basket -Shot 27/73 (37%) for 3 and 55/71 (71%) from the free throw line this summer in 21 adidas event games. -Can straight line drive. Comfortable with the ball in his hands. -Has the tools to be very good defensively. -Has plenty of upside to continue to develop into a versatile all-around player

    Weaknesses: -Average passer who has room to improve on his feel for the game. Almost always looking to score. Loves to isolate and force up off balance jumpers. Tunnel vision while he's on the move. Throws up wild layups. -Average finisher around the basket. Lacks a degree of toughness and physicality. -Shot just 47% for 2 this summer in 21 adidas event games. -Has some edge to him but not always in a positive way. Talks a lot of trash. -Comfortable, but not an advanced ball handler. -Needs to improve his footwork off the bounce. Every pull up is into a jump stop rather than a 1-2. -Jump shot can be a little streaky. Flings the ball at the rim from time to time. -Not always engaged defensively. Can do a better job bending his knees and sitting down in a stance.

    Outlook: Paras, who came to the US two years ago, is the son of Benjie Paras, a famous basketball player, TV actor and movie star in the Philippines. He has the physical profile, athleticism and shooting ability of a high-major wing, and potentially a NBA prospect. He can score at all three levels, finish above the rim and has the tools to be a very good defender. The UCLA commit, however, has a long way to go in terms of playing the game the right way and fitting into a team scheme. He does a lot of things that may earn him a very short leash very quickly under head coach Steve Alford. With that said, if Paras is willing to put in the work and can find a way to think the game at a higher level and become more of a team player, he has a chance to be a high-level player in the Pac-12 and set himself up for a successful future beyond the college ranks., possibly in the NBA depending on how his skill-set evolves. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kobe-Paras-85175/ ©DraftExpress
    So he's still the same player and in some aspects actually got worse..

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatweirdguy View Post
    So he's still the same player and in some aspects actually got worse..
    Got worse with shooting and even finishing, especially. He's erratic right now. He's 23 and is still raw. Doesn't have much time left. Hopefully we get another player who is as tall and athletic has he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmbopbaduwap View Post
    is Choi Junyong injured? he'll be a good test to our young wings like Ramos and Oftana

    Quote Originally Posted by ja.he View Post
    No news but he would be our headache if he plays. That's 6'7 point guard not point forward but a point guard.
    And here, if you're 6'7", you're automatically a big. Shows how far ahead of us SoKor is at the moment when it comes to player development. Hopefully the mentality here changes to properly developing players, starting with teaching them every perimeter skill on the court at a young age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IPC View Post
    Got worse with shooting and even finishing, especially. He's erratic right now. He's 23 and is still raw. Doesn't have much time left. Hopefully we get another player who is as tall and athletic has he is.
    How about Lebron Lopez and Cholo Anonuevo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IPC View Post
    And here, if you're 6'7", you're automatically a big. Shows how far ahead of us SoKor is at the moment when it comes to player development. Hopefully the mentality here changes to properly developing players, starting with teaching them every perimeter skill on the court at a young age.
    Lucky for Gilas, he is not in 12 man teaming Sokor...

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    Quote Originally Posted by IPC View Post
    Got worse with shooting and even finishing, especially. He's erratic right now. He's 23 and is still raw. Doesn't have much time left. Hopefully we get another player who is as tall and athletic has he is.
    I just couldn't understand what has been wrong with Kobe's basketball career. About 3 to 4 years ago, he was packed with a lot of promise as a good size wing. I have to admit, I strongly advocated for Kobe playing as a small forward & was vocal enough to oppose the idea of Kobe playing as a "four". But seeing Kobe's progress, or the lack of it, I'm now convinced, more than ever, that he is more suited to the four position. He simply lacks the handles &
    the shooting to play as a wingman. I also think he lacks the laterals to play as a 3.

    In the last 3 years or so, halos lahat ng players of Kobe's age (or yung halos kasing edad nya) have made significant improvements in their game. About 3 years ago, Kobe was already a household name in Phi basketball. On the other hand, guys like Calvin Oftana, Javi GDL and Jistin Baltazar were nothing. But based on their respective performances in the 2nd window, it looks like Oftana, Javi GDL & Baltazar have made significant improvement while Kobe stagnated. You can sense na may patutunguhan yung career nina Oftana & company while Kobe is still going circles somewhere in the forest & has no idea which direction to go to get out.
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    I just couldn't understand what has been wrong with Kobe's basketball career. About 3 to 4 years ago, he was packed with a lot of promise as a good size wing. I have to admit, I strongly advocated for Kobe playing as a small forward & was vocal enough to oppose the idea of Kobe playing as a "four". But seeing Kobe's progress, or the lack of it, I'm now convinced, more than ever, that he is more suited to the four position. He simply lacks the handles &
    the shooting to play as a wingman. I also think he lacks the laterals to play as a 3.

    In the last 3 years or so, halos lahat ng players of Kobe's age (or yung halos kasing edad nya) have made significant improvements in their game. About 3 years ago, Kobe was already a household name in Phi basketball. On the other hand, guys like Calvin Oftana, Javi GDL and Jistin Baltazar were nothing. But based on their respective performances in the 2nd window, it looks like Oftana, Javi GDL & Baltazar have made significant improvement while Kobe stagnated. You can sense na may patutunguhan yung career nina Oftana & company while Kobe is still going circles somewhere in the forest & has no idea which direction to go to get out.
    3 or so years ago guys like Balti, Oftana etc weren't given the opportunities they have now to shine. They had to go through hell and earn everything. Imagine if they were raised and trained by the same basketball legend and his friends, sent to the best schools and camps and even given the chance to play in the US. Kobe had access to all of these plus his natural physique and athlestism from his parents. He had everything he needs to succeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatweirdguy View Post
    3 or so years ago guys like Balti, Oftana etc weren't given the opportunities they have now to shine. They had to go through hell and earn everything. Imagine if they were raised and trained by the same basketball legend and his friends, sent to the best schools and camps and even given the chance to play in the US. Kobe had access to all of these plus his natural physique and athlestism from his parents. He had everything he needs to succeed.
    No patience to work on his craft. He should have stayed cal state northridge and then try his luck in gleague or cba,etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mapuakid View Post
    No patience to work on his craft. He should have stayed cal state northridge and then try his luck in gleague or cba,etc.
    or shouldn’t left creighton.. have patience, work his game then get PT as off the bench guy 2nd year then a key player in 3rd and 4th yr..it was a wrong suggestion to kobe to bulk up. whoever that person is

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