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    Quote Originally Posted by ja.he View Post
    Another thing is Korea loves to use 3-2 zone defense. There is also a correlation between defense formation and transition offense. Notice that? When 3-2 zone defense becomes successful, 3 players at the top of the formation can easily run for fast breaks. This is one of korea’s Bread and butter.
    The zone is supposed to be susceptible to offensive rebounds but as our big men are no taller than Korea's (sans Blatche), this disadvantage is nullified.

    We have yet to see a Blatche-led Gilas against Korea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by interxavierxxx View Post
    The zone is supposed to be susceptible to offensive rebounds but as our big men are no taller than Korea's (sans Blatche), this disadvantage is nullified.

    We have yet to see a Blatche-led Gilas against Korea.
    Yeah... Korea always lucky that everytime we face us, We don't have Blatche at that time... maybe he will be the difference maker in the match up vs Korea, even w/ Ratliffe.. They always rattled vs Haddadi led Iran, and we all know Blatche always have Haddadi's numbers!!! I hope before Blatche retires for Gilas, I want to see a Blatche led Gilas vs Korea even w/ Ratliffe..

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    Quote Originally Posted by robert0326 View Post
    Yeah... Korea always lucky that everytime we face us, We don't have Blatche at that time... maybe he will be the difference maker in the match up vs Korea, even w/ Ratliffe.. They always rattled vs Haddadi led Iran, and we all know Blatche always have Haddadi's numbers!!! I hope before Blatche retires for Gilas, I want to see a Blatche led Gilas vs Korea even w/ Ratliffe..
    Could it be that Korea always have trouble vs. Iran mainly becoz Iran's defensive ploy isn't to collapse everytime a Korean player penetrates the defense? I mean everytime a korean player drives to the lane, the iranian perimeter defenders would just stay in front of their men & clog the passing lanes instead of collapsing. Hence, the Korean penetrator will have no kick-out option & would be compelled to finish the drive off Hamed Hadadi's towering defense. In short, the Iranians could defend like this becoz they have a 7-foot-2 center who is such an intimidating & imposing rim protector. Mahirap para sa isang penetrator to finish his drive against someone like Hadadi.

    Unfortunately, Gilas doesn't have someone like Hadadi. Blatche may be a good shot blocker but he is no 7-footer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    Could it be that Korea always have trouble vs. Iran mainly becoz Iran's defensive ploy isn't to collapse everytime a Korean player penetrates the defense? I mean everytime a korean player drives to the lane, the iranian perimeter defenders would just stay in front of their men & clog the passing lanes instead of collapsing. Hence, the Korean penetrator will have no kick-out option & would be compelled to finish the drive off Hamed Hadadi's towering defense. In short, the Iranians could defend like this becoz they have a 7-foot-2 center who is such an intimidating & imposing rim protector. Mahirap para sa isang penetrator to finish his drive against someone like Hadadi.

    Unfortunately, Gilas doesn't have someone like Hadadi. Blatche may be a good shot blocker but he is no 7-footer.
    probably the key is for them not to make so may three point shots.Make them go for the lay up but there has to be a very good shot blocker (or two) every time, to put things simple, make them miss most of their shots (which is not a simple thing to do of course).The problem now is they have a solid post player in Ricardo Rattliffe.The game plan is always concentrate on defense against Korea and pray that the offensive game will be no problem (frustrate them and outscore them).
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    Could it be that Korea always have trouble vs. Iran mainly becoz Iran's defensive ploy isn't to collapse everytime a Korean player penetrates the defense? I mean everytime a korean player drives to the lane, the iranian perimeter defenders would just stay in front of their men & clog the passing lanes instead of collapsing. Hence, the Korean penetrator will have no kick-out option & would be compelled to finish the drive off Hamed Hadadi's towering defense. In short, the Iranians could defend like this becoz they have a 7-foot-2 center who is such an intimidating & imposing rim protector. Mahirap para sa isang penetrator to finish his drive against someone like Hadadi.

    Unfortunately, Gilas doesn't have someone like Hadadi. Blatche may be a good shot blocker but he is no 7-footer.
    I think Iran just have more practice time that's why they can read the plays of Korea. Especially all the ball screens Koreans do to open their shooters, and what kind of PnR defense should be apply to specific players.

    Remember 2013 Fiba Asia. We didn't have the height but we were scrappy and physical with Koreans. Usually we have Pingris, De Ocampo and Japeth to man the paint. Once again the luxury of having a very long preparation time did us well. They know when to switch does PnR or ball screen plays. We disrupted their passing lanes. Just like Coach Tab, we have a very shifty defense, always on are feet and able to close out on shooters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex07 View Post
    probably the key is for them not to make so may three point shots.Make them go for the lay up but there has to be a very good shot blocker (or two) every time, to put things simple, make them miss most of their shots (which is not a simple thing to do of course).The problem now is they have a solid post player in Ricardo Rattliffe.The game plan is always concentrate on defense against Korea and pray that the offensive game will be no problem (frustrate them and outscore them).
    Of course its always easier said than done. I don't know but it seems its a natural tendency for players/teams that everytime an offensive player drives/penetrates, the defense would collapse, hence the penetrator would have kick-out options in the outer wings or in the outside.

    I'm confident & optimistic that in the very near future with Kai Sotto (& AJ Edu who is showing potential to be a good shotblocker) being elevated in the senior level, we will have a tall rim protector to challenge the Korean penetrators & thus our perimeter defense need not to collapse but instead stay in front of their men to prevent kick-out passes from the penetrators.

    Quote Originally Posted by zairex View Post
    I think Iran just have more practice time that's why they can read the plays of Korea. Especially all the ball screens Koreans do to open their shooters, and what kind of PnR defense should be apply to specific players.

    Remember 2013 Fiba Asia. We didn't have the height but we were scrappy and physical with Koreans. Usually we have Pingris, De Ocampo and Japeth to man the paint. Once again the luxury of having a very long preparation time did us well. They know when to switch does PnR or ball screen plays. We disrupted their passing lanes. Just like Coach Tab, we have a very shifty defense, always on are feet and able to close out on shooters.
    I couldn't agree with you more. Just like offensive plays, defensive patterns also take time to master.

    During the 2013 FIBA Asia Championship, we had 2 solid months of preparation & had training camps & tune-up games in Lithuania & New Zealand. Same with our 2015 FIBA Asia Championship team w/c also had almost the same preparation period & with tune-up games in Europe, Jones Cup & Manila Invitational Tournament. Kita naman natin yung resulta. We won silver medals.

    On the other hand, our 2019 FIBA World Cup-bound team had about 10 days (or even less) to prepare for every window, and as we saw it, we barely made it to the World Cup. Pasang awa.
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