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    Quote Originally Posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
    Yeah. That is true.

    Di naman 12 players kinuha sa admu.

    Ans Players like Quiambao and Raven declined.

    And I bet Dwight, Matt and Ange, and maybe Lopez will maybe make the gilas final 12 for 3rd window. That is only 4 players out of 12

    Anyway. If everyone agrees, the pool would be like(Excluding Kai and AJ muna)

    Admu - 8 (Ange, Matt, Mike, Lebron, SJ, Thirdy, Dwight, Geo)

    DLSU - 3 - (Baltazar, Cortez Quiambao)

    UP - 4 (Juan, Javi, Carl, Kobe, Tungcab)

    UST - 2 (Rhenz, Nonoy)

    Feu - 1 (RJ, Tuffin)

    Yes, majority are ateneo players because of system familiarity. But di naman na set asid yung other stars in ither schools
    Even have NCAA players in the list:
    SBU : carino, oftana
    Baste: bulanadi

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    Among the current members of the Gilas cadet pool, its only Mike Nieto who is viewed by most IBNers as sort of the "odd one out". But of course we know the reason why he is in the pool - familiarity. That is Mike Nieto's edge over any other possible prospect out there. But as the pool continues to train & play, the "familiarity" edge of Mike over any other player out there diminishes.

    During the 2nd window, Mike's familiarity with coach Tab's system mattered a lot as the pool/team had limited time for training/preparation. But now that mas mahaba ang training ng pool/team going into the 3rd window (even if training was disrupted twice becoz of the worsening case of pandemic), I think the non-Ateneo players of the pool are already familiar & have already assimilated themselves enough with coach Tab's system.
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    Let us see how cadets will perform this june. Hopefully no cancellation

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    On Matt, I would just say this relative to how good the guards in NBA are (Westbrook, Curry Lillard, Harden etc) who are all big and prolific scorers, ask your self why is undersized CP3 an MVP candidate and perhaps even ahead of all those i mentioned in the MVP race?
    It's not all height , scoring etc, there are intangibles one has to factor. And besides it's not like we won't be including scoring and big guards in the line up.
    End of the day if Tab sees Matt as an essential player in the best possible team (not top 12 players) then so be it.
    The coaches would know best

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatweirdguy View Post
    Up until now there are a lot of people asking why Romeo, Abueva isn't in the pool..

    Matt is a solid player. But we need a starting player PG with higher ceiling and Matt to me screams backup player. I want to see if SJ or RJ can be that player
    in 2023, d starting pg will be heading or someone from d pba.

    but barring an injury or sudden regression, matt is a lock for d final 12. book it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdmiral View Post
    On Matt, I would just say this relative to how good the guards in NBA are (Westbrook, Curry Lillard, Harden etc) who are all big and prolific scorers, ask your self why is undersized CP3 an MVP candidate and perhaps even ahead of all those i mentioned in the MVP race?
    It's not all height , scoring etc, there are intangibles one has to factor. And besides it's not like we won't be including scoring and big guards in the line up.
    End of the day if Tab sees Matt as an essential player in the best possible team (not top 12 players) then so be it.
    The coaches would know best
    Hmmm.

    I feel Matt intangibles is not on par with cp3.

    Cp3's midrange is money. His playmaking is an all time great. His defense is one of the best in his position.

    Peronal opinion. I will say the gap between CP3 and Steph is way way slimmer than the gap between Matt and Juan(or Heading)

    Anyways, I have no problem now for Matt playing in Windows.

    And yeah. U are right. Coaches would cut Matt naman IF (big if) he will have a sawsaw performance.

    Having said all of that, I will still rank Juan and Heading over him at PG Position.

    Maybe I will prefer matt over RJ though. Cause of familiarity of system.

    But if Matt proved he is a WC level PG. Why not.

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    In terms of point production Steph 32 pts a game is double that of Cp3 , 16 . Yet some have CP3 ahead in the MVP race.

    But anyway u can have all 3 , Juan , Heading and Matt in a team. It's not about who's better

    Especially if your 11th or 12th man don't necessarily have to be better, than everyone else who wasn't selected.
    Sometimes it is better to have less talent for your 11th and 12th man if the tradeoff is he is a better teammate and supportive of the main guys which essentially translates to having a better team, the best team isnt the best 12 players.
    Some guys are better as a 11th or 12th man . Some players are not good to a team if their role is hardly to play

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    https://youtu.be/EanX0epaHLg

    Anyway, This is a glimpse of what matt can offer.

    But let us see how will he performs against stronger teams like Korea

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdmiral View Post
    In terms of point production Steph 32 pts a game is double that of Cp3 , 16 . Yet some have CP3 ahead in the MVP race.

    But anyway u can have all 3 , Juan , Heading and Matt in a team. It's not about who's better
    If we will have no pba point guards. I can agree with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
    If we will have no pba point guards. I can agree with that.
    only ravena and bolick comes to mind. and i think in 2023, only one pba pg will make d team, at most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdmiral View Post
    In terms of point production Steph 32 pts a game is double that of Cp3 , 16 . Yet some have CP3 ahead in the MVP race.

    But anyway u can have all 3 , Juan , Heading and Matt in a team. It's not about who's better

    Especially if your 11th or 12th man don't necessarily have to be better, than everyone else who wasn't selected.
    Sometimes it is better to have less talent for your 11th and 12th man if the tradeoff is he is a better teammate and supportive of the main guys which essentially translates to having a better team, the best team isnt the best 12 players.
    Some guys are better as a 11th or 12th man . Some players are not good to a team if their role is hardly to play
    because winning record matters

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    Quote Originally Posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
    https://youtu.be/EanX0epaHLg

    Anyway, This is a glimpse of what matt can offer.

    But let us see how will he performs against stronger teams like Korea
    check his game vs sokor in 2018 jones cup

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    What if Matt doesn't make much turnovers, and while he doesn't get an assist recorded to him, makes the right pass. Tapos the impact is is seen in plus minus when he's on the court .. doesn't that count if you're the coach ? Wouldn't you want a guy like that especially as 11th and 12th man for insurance..
    For anyone who's ever coached , it really helps to have guys like that on the team, and it doesn't mean he's better than those not selected. It's being a star or best for a specific role.. like Kobe while obviously more talented may not be fit for that kind of role..

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    Matt was solid last qualifiers, good performances. I think it matters what team they are trying to build.(If they want a team that is versatile defensively)I think he’s in the same boat as the Rj\Sj high iq good players but defensive liabilities internationally. If his role is just an 11th man then yes he’s a good choice as a leader and someone who can control the pace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    Among the current members of the Gilas cadet pool, its only Mike Nieto who is viewed by most IBNers as sort of the "odd one out". But of course we know the reason why he is in the pool - familiarity. That is Mike Nieto's edge over any other possible prospect out there. But as the pool continues to train & play, the "familiarity" edge of Mike over any other player out there diminishes.

    During the 2nd window, Mike's familiarity with coach Tab's system mattered a lot as the pool/team had limited time for training/preparation. But now that mas mahaba ang training ng pool/team going into the 3rd window (even if training was disrupted twice becoz of the worsening case of pandemic), I think the non-Ateneo players of the pool are already familiar & have already assimilated themselves enough with coach Tab's system.
    i see skills. not d castro or romeo type of skills.

    more on d racela or castillo type of skills.

    but he got skills that matter.

    in d 2nd window, if familiarity was so important. then u probably would not have seen mike and navarro sitting a game or playing limited minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRodster21 View Post
    Matt was solid last qualifiers, good performances. I think it matters what team they are trying to build.(If they want a team that is versatile defensively)I think he’s in the same boat as the Rj\Sj high iq good players but defensive liabilities internationally. If his role is just an 11th man then yes he’s a good choice as a leader and someone who can control the pace.
    for now, matt is a better defender than sj and rj.

    but we will need someone like ravena (or cj if he can play pg) to play that playmakar-defender role.

    but i would like to see how jordan plays defense.

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    Matt was my favorite gilas cadet player.. yes I would like Jong to handle the guy not flashy gets the job done.. and puts energy on defense..
    To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..

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    Quote Originally Posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
    https://youtu.be/EanX0epaHLg

    Anyway, This is a glimpse of what matt can offer.

    But let us see how will he performs against stronger teams like Korea
    yeng will love this kid. tough defender and high iq. surely if he comes on board for nlex he can let go of keifer for japan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalsuperman View Post
    yeng will love this kid. tough defender and high iq. surely if he comes on board for nlex he can let go of keifer for japan.
    For me, He will be next LA Tenorio... Same skillset and same school... heheheheheehehe.. Ateneo has produced High basketball IQ guards.. from Racela, Tenorio, Tiu, Kiefer and now Matt... Why other schools can't develop high IQ basketball guards unlike Ateneo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by robert0326 View Post
    For me, He will be next LA Tenorio... Same skillset and same school... heheheheheehehe.. Ateneo has produced High basketball IQ guards.. from Racela, Tenorio, Tiu, Kiefer and now Matt... Why other schools can't develop high IQ basketball guards unlike Ateneo?
    The ultimate test if they can improve Padrigao's BBIQ. He up next in the guard pecking order once SJ and Tyler leave.

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