Kobe, Andre & Benjie Paras Basketball Family Thread

[lurklurk]

Kobe Paras sort of regaining back his wing skills would mean improving his ball handling & outside shooting which of course would be a positive development. I think most of us here are in agreement that ball handling & shooting are the major flaws in Kobe's game.

I say better for Kobe to train like a natural wing at East West Private even if he will end up playing as a four or perhaps a combo forward.

Agree. Training one or 2 positions below your actual playing position is best pa rin talaga. I was happy when i saw clips of his initial training with ewp, ive never seen him do similar training focussing on perimeter footwork. It will help him get his shots off cleanly.

[lurklurk]

Yup, that's what I am saying all along. Why Kobe don't have that kind of training here? Instead of training how to dunk, he should be training like what he is doing today.

Water under the bridge, i guess. At least kobe is getting the proper training moving forward.

[thatweirdguy]

Yup, that's what I am saying all along. Why Kobe don't have that kind of training here? Instead of training how to dunk, he should be training like what he is doing today.

Is there something wrong with the way they train? Or is it maybe the with the way they are used by their team? Or maybe that's just the way he plays..

[lurklurk]

Is there something wrong with the way they train? Or is it maybe the with the way they are used by their team? Or maybe that's just the way he plays..

The way they train pros (or almost pros in kobe’s case) here in the ph are somewhat oldschool-ish. Perimeter drills are mostly one bounce pull ups, dribbling drills are passe, etc. You can see it manifest in the pba, its rare to see shooters with quick release. Almost all cant shoot on the move as they lack perimeter footwork.

[ARMIR]

The way they train pros (or almost pros in kobe’s case) here in the ph are somewhat oldschool-ish. Perimeter drills are mostly one bounce pull ups, dribbling drills are passe, etc. You can see it manifest in the pba, its rare to see shooters with quick release. Almost all cant shoot on the move as they lack perimeter footwork.

There was a time in the early PBA days,players who can shoot while moving was a dime a dozen,for example Francis Arnaiz,Arnie Tuadles,Atoy Co,Hubalde to name a few.

[mathematicianrcg]

To be fair with the likes of Kobe, and Lebron.

If they feel their athleticism is enough to dominate, then they will over rely on it. And that is the case here.

It is not the case in USA where a ton of players are more athletic than them.

Dwight Ramos is mo where near as athletic as the other 2. But the consensus opinion is he is a better player than both of them right now. (Ofc Lebron is a litte younger)

[JAMSKIE]

Agree. Training one or 2 positions below your actual playing position is best pa rin talaga.

Good point bro. It reminds me of the kind of training Cholo Anonuevo is getting in the US in which he plays some point guard role in his team. Even if Cholo ends up playing as a shooting guard or combo guard, the reps he is getting playing as point guard would make him a better 2-guard or combo guard.

BTW, how effective do you think a Pinoy player getting around 3 months training in a basketball training institution like East West Private? I'm thinking of such set-up for guys like Tamayo, Quiambao, Raven Cortez & others. I mean, they train for 3 months every year in the US then come back here to play college ball in the Philippines.

I think this could be an alternative for some Pinoy ballers who can't afford to enroll & play college basketball in the US. Lets face it, not everyone is like a Kai Sotto or Kobe Paras or a Dalph Panopio or a Anonuevo.

[Juan Lun]

The way they train pros (or almost pros in kobe’s case) here in the ph are somewhat oldschool-ish. Perimeter drills are mostly one bounce pull ups, dribbling drills are passe, etc. You can see it manifest in the pba, its rare to see shooters with quick release. Almost all cant shoot on the move as they lack perimeter footwork.

True our outside shooting is sub par, the only recent shooter that I can think of that is close to Caidic is Jeff Chan. Others like James Yap, Gary D, Pogoy are too erratic

[lurklurk]

Good point bro. It reminds me of the kind of training Cholo Anonuevo is getting in the US in which he plays some point guard role in his team. Even if Cholo ends up playing as a shooting guard or combo guard, the reps he is getting playing as point guard would make him a better 2-guard or combo guard.

BTW, how effective do you think a Pinoy player getting around 3 months training in a basketball training institution like East West Private? I'm thinking of such set-up for guys like Tamayo, Quiambao, Raven Cortez & others. I mean, they train for 3 months every year in the US then come back here to play college ball in the Philippines.

I think this could be an alternative for some Pinoy ballers who can't afford to enroll & play college basketball in the US. Lets face it, not everyone is like a Kai Sotto or Kobe Paras or a Dalph Panopio or a Anonuevo.

Well it’s definitely better than the training and competition they are getting locally. 3 months of training with world class trainers and pickup ball with div 1 and div 2 players—that’s irreplaceable. Better if you can squeeze in a mini-tournament for some organized ball. 4 games in 2 weeks is plenty.

[neo]

Well it’s definitely better than the training and competition they are getting locally. 3 months of training with world class trainers and pickup ball with div 1 and div 2 players—that’s irreplaceable. Better if you can squeeze in a mini-tournament for some organized ball. 4 games in 2 weeks is plenty.

less than a month of us training did wonders with an already old jc intal.

imagine what 3 months can do with developing kids.

[lurklurk]

less than a month of us training did wonders with an already old jc intal.

imagine what 3 months can do with developing kids.

More so if it’ll be yearly. They can gauge if they improved on their own or if they stagnate. Plus, not only can these kids develop basketball skills, but basketball connections as well.

[mathematicianrcg]

True our outside shooting is sub par, the only recent shooter that I can think of that is close to Caidic is Jeff Chan. Others like James Yap, Gary D, Pogoy are too erratic

Pba Superstars, most of them are more of a slasher or 1 on 1 players.

James, Gary, and Roger are streaky shooters. There are games they are hot. There are games they ate too cold. Inconsistent.

Jimmy and Jeff and maybe Larry is our best shooters in the Gilas Program.

Now, in the new breeds. I don't see a knockout shooters yet.

[lurklurk]

Pba Superstars, most of them are more of a slasher or 1 on 1 players.

James, Gary, and Roger are streaky shooters. There are games they are hot. There are games they ate too cold. Inconsistent.

Jimmy and Jeff and maybe Larry is our best shooters in the Gilas Program.

Now, in the new breeds. I don't see a knockout shooters yet.

gary david and pogoy = inconsistent
Jeff chan, larry fonacier = best shooters???

That’s a bad take. Ill be surprised if any kind of statistic can back up this claim.

[neo]

Pba Superstars, most of them are more of a slasher or 1 on 1 players.

James, Gary, and Roger are streaky shooters. There are games they are hot. There are games they ate too cold. Inconsistent.

Jimmy and Jeff and maybe Larry is our best shooters in the Gilas Program.

Now, in the new breeds. I don't see a knockout shooters yet.

RDO was also good even in WC.

i think d current gilas pool lacks 3-pt shooting, especially as we have yet to see what bulanadi can do.

if one or two PBA player will be loaned for 2023 WC, it should be a playmaking pg and a 3-pt specialist at d sg position.

looking at d current pba players, ravena and bolick, and pogoy and wright tops d list still.

[TheRodster21]

In the end training is useless if it’s not used in game. If they go to the states for 3 months and then come back and end up playing for teams that have them play positions they want them too then it won’t work. And if it’s not practiced enough they could over time lose it.