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    A decent center was all they lacked the previous season. I'd somehow prefer Boost to Čapin but anyway.

    Olimpija played two preparation games vs. Khimki, lost both the last one by 1 only, but young Croat Paolo Marinelli seems to be doing pretty well, scored 12 and 9. He hasn't signed yet with the team, but hopefully that would be the case in a short while.

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    Marinelli signed a 4 year deal with Olimpija. Now I hope that's not some sort of indication Dang Akodo would leave the team at the age of 18, while on the other hand the team seems too stacked at PG for the future with Rupnik (20), Marinelli (18) and Akodo (17)

    Partizan signed another frenchman Boris Dallo, this guy has a tremendous upside in hands of a coach that knows his job. Seems like Partizan will develop the French NT tremendously within next years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joško Poljak Fan View Post
    Majority of them have problems with cash for probably a decade by now, so I don't really understand where is the news part here. However out of my head Micov, Baynes, Thompson, Erceg and at least 2 other noticable US players I can't remember their name... have been playing there in non-Oly/Pao clubs in the past few years - when that happens with Feni, Rabotnički, MZT or some other Macedonian clubs... than I think the goddes of common sense might reconsider the strenght evaluation in favour of Macedonian clubs ...untill than, sorry for a wake up call, but seems neccesary
    Josko,

    Check ABA Standings below you will see the evaluation in favor of Macedonia Clubs against Slovenian Clubs. Just so you can see that there is evaluation....


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    7. MZT Skopje Aerodrom 14 12
    8. Union Olimpija 13 13
    9. Krka 9 17

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    I've moved the post as it's much more apropriate to continue the discussion here

    First of all, what you've quoted was actually on the behalf of MZT's ridiciolous claim that without Oly and Pao Macedonian league is stronger than Greek one and in no relation with the Slovenian league, but if you insist....

    MZT has done a great job last season and I don't intend to diminish that in any way. However when we are talking about league strenght or such, it's always a matter of depth (number of teams), organisation, tradition as well as continuosity, meaning one season rarely showcases the true comparison between various leagues, otherwise Adriatic league would be a top3 league in europe 3 years ago. It isn't/wasn't as reality is somehow different.

    I'm not in particular interested in which league is better one. I know Slovenian is in decline for a decade now, after we had 3 among euro top50 clubs around 2000 (Olimpija, Krka and Laško). At this moment the economical situation in the country is a dissaster and with the blind and deaf left goverment will continue to be so. Olimpija is in the final stage of repaying it's enormous debts and ended the last season with bigger profit than the team left would earn within a season, Krka's management are "seljaci" (my apologies to Krka's fans, not going into that Krka vs. Olimpija stuff, just stating my strong belief) that aren't capable of running a serious team, Laško group should bankrupt but still held alive somehow due to some bank coke-heads repetitous cheap loans, their team isn't getting any stronger accordingly, Helios factory is about to get sold, the future of the team is uncertain, Slovan kind of merged with Olimpija as they weren't able to continue on their own and with the economic climate even the guys that have the money aren't willing to invest it as they prefer waiting. With all those issues I couldn't care less if Slovenian league is stronger than Macedonian league as that's a "pyrrhic victory" no matter which league wins, they both still suck...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joško Poljak Fan View Post
    I've moved the post as it's much more apropriate to continue the discussion here

    First of all, what you've quoted was actually on the behalf of MZT's ridiciolous claim that without Oly and Pao Macedonian league is stronger than Greek one and in no relation with the Slovenian league, but if you insist....

    MZT has done a great job last season and I don't intend to diminish that in any way. However when we are talking about league strenght or such, it's always a matter of depth (number of teams), organisation, tradition as well as continuosity, meaning one season rarely showcases the true comparison between various leagues, otherwise Adriatic league would be a top3 league in europe 3 years ago. It isn't/wasn't as reality is somehow different.

    I'm not in particular interested in which league is better one. I know Slovenian is in decline for a decade now, after we had 3 among euro top50 clubs around 2000 (Olimpija, Krka and Laško). At this moment the economical situation in the country is a dissaster and with the blind and deaf left goverment will continue to be so. Olimpija is in the final stage of repaying it's enormous debts and ended the last season with bigger profit than the team left would earn within a season, Krka's management are "seljaci" (my apologies to Krka's fans, not going into that Krka vs. Olimpija stuff, just stating my strong belief) that aren't capable of running a serious team, Laško group should bankrupt but still held alive somehow due to some bank coke-heads repetitous cheap loans, their team isn't getting any stronger accordingly, Helios factory is about to get sold, the future of the team is uncertain, Slovan kind of merged with Olimpija as they weren't able to continue on their own and with the economic climate even the guys that have the money aren't willing to invest it as they prefer waiting. With all those issues I couldn't care less if Slovenian league is stronger than Macedonian league as that's a "pyrrhic victory" no matter which league wins, they both still suck...
    I agree, we (Slovenia and Macedonia) still suck when compared with Greece. Offcourse Slovenia is still in front of Macedonia as we have only 1 good team (MZT). But yeah, there is progress in the Macedonian League, hopefully more teams will join ABA in the next couple of years.

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    Friendly game in Gevgelija, MKD

    MZT Skopje - Partizan 90-81 20-21, 21-20 (41-41) 27-17, 22-23

    Partizan: Dalo 4, Mićoviić, Bezbradica 3, Milutinov 10, Vesterman 7, Pot 2, Zlovarić 6, Milosavljević 27, Malešević 13, Marelja, Šalić 9, Andrić.
    MZT Skoplje: Stojanovski 7, Sinovec 21, Marinkovski, Sisarica, Lučić 14, Gajdadžijev, Đekić 5, Cvetković 3, Otašević 12, Rejnolds 21, Arsovski, Dejvis 7.


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    BWIN odds for ABA winner:
    Zvezda 2.85
    Partizan 3.85
    Radnicki 6.5
    Cibona 8
    Cedevita 8
    Buducnost 18
    Olimpija 21
    Mega 41
    Zadar 51
    Krka 51
    Siroki 101
    MZT 201
    Solnok 301
    For me, more realistic would be Zvezda and Partizan by 3, Cibona and Cedevita by 4.5

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    Olimpija managed to compose quite a decent team, can't say about the betting odd's, but

    PG: Jackson, Rupnik, Marinelli
    SG: Salin, Joksimovič
    SF: Gailius, Brodnik
    PF: Augustus, Drobnjak, Bubnić, Murič (should get healthy by january or so)
    C: Stephenson, Omić

    So far management is reportedly very satisfied with most of their purchases. Slobodan Subotić obviously had his hands in it and he has done a tremendous job in the past at finding US players for us.
    Jackson lacks shooting touch, but is athletic defender and Australian league MVP last season, Rupnik and Marinelli will represent a bit of a risk, one due physical strenght other due youth
    Salin and Joksimović must be the most defensively annoying SG couple in ABA
    stole Gailius from Žalgiris by some sources, Brodnik has some upside and a nice shooting touch
    Augustus is yet an enigma (supposedly extremely good shooter, stretch 4), +2 vet PF's + Dino Murič
    Stephenson is beast-like strong center coming off a year long injury and Omić should make some progress

    ...feeling quite optimistic. Would feel even more optimistic if Dožai would get delegated to a match in Skopje and wouldn't be able to officiate any game for the season, though...

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    Even though nothing is official but Riyadi from Lebanon are seriously interested and considering joining the Adriatic League under the helm of coach Subotic... My friend who works with Riyadi and is currently pursuing his Masters at the Euroleague Basketball Institute has met and discussed this proposal with a few FIBA representatives and their reactions were very positive... Main issues right now though are security situation in Lebanon due to crisis in Syria, having a basketball stadium that meets the criteria, and presence of any Israeli teams in Adriatic League in the future.

    P.S: Riyadi's budget for last season was almost 3 million US$ (approx. 2.21 million Euros) and was one of the top in Lebanon and all the Middle East region (including Iranian league)
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    Well, at this current stage ABA is without a major sponsor, meaning the league depends quite a lot on selling that wild card, which Szolnoki got for half a million € (I wouldn't consider it worthwhile if I were in Szolnoki's position to be honest). Since normaly ABA is the one paying to the teams for traveling costs, the league would demand Riyadi to additional cover up those expenses as well, just as they did with Maccabi TA.

    However after the Maccabi's latest participation, when they were playing on 3 fronts (europe, adriatic and antional championship) several teams resented the league for applying the schedule towards Maccabi's wishes (that obviously had a pretty tough job of playing 3 games per week) and aren't to keen on more traveling or teams that don't fill up their arena, as Maccabi relatively did.

    ABA management would imo be in favour of Riyadi's participation in case they pay up larger sum than imo participation in ABA is worth, while the individual teams, basketball publicity and fans are kind of irritated by the league management and have kind of different interests on their own.

    Slovenians feel 2 teams are borderline worthwhile participating in this league, no matter our 3rd team regulary suck, Croat's share the same feeling about having 3 teams only, Serb's as the most succesfull nation are questioning the reasoning behind their 4 teams only, Macedonians have ambitions for more than just 1 club... this league already takes to long and national championships are already let aside with only small portion of the season, while it won't be able to ever satisfy everyone included untill it includes a qualification round for one of it's places.


    I don't think Riyadi is likely to join, most teams with common sense are very interested at the start, but refuse it later when they make some financial calculations, especially when realising Srdjan Dožai also comes with a price...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joško Poljak Fan View Post
    Well, at this current stage ABA is without a major sponsor, meaning the league depends quite a lot on selling that wild card, which Szolnoki got for half a million € (I wouldn't consider it worthwhile if I were in Szolnoki's position to be honest). Since normaly ABA is the one paying to the teams for traveling costs, the league would demand Riyadi to additional cover up those expenses as well, just as they did with Maccabi TA.

    However after the Maccabi's latest participation, when they were playing on 3 fronts (europe, adriatic and antional championship) several teams resented the league for applying the schedule towards Maccabi's wishes (that obviously had a pretty tough job of playing 3 games per week) and aren't to keen on more traveling or teams that don't fill up their arena, as Maccabi relatively did.

    ABA management would imo be in favour of Riyadi's participation in case they pay up larger sum than imo participation in ABA is worth, while the individual teams, basketball publicity and fans are kind of irritated by the league management and have kind of different interests on their own.

    Slovenians feel 2 teams are borderline worthwhile participating in this league, no matter our 3rd team regulary suck, Croat's share the same feeling about having 3 teams only, Serb's as the most succesfull nation are questioning the reasoning behind their 4 teams only, Macedonians have ambitions for more than just 1 club... this league already takes to long and national championships are already let aside with only small portion of the season, while it won't be able to ever satisfy everyone included untill it includes a qualification round for one of it's places.


    I don't think Riyadi is likely to join, most teams with common sense are very interested at the start, but refuse it later when they make some financial calculations, especially when realising Srdjan Dožai also comes with a price...
    Thanks for the info. Wasn't aware that teams would have to incur additional costs for travel... Also it will be definitely tough to coordinate the schedule of the games but for Riyadi this league would probably as important for them as the national league since they want to get the best exposure and play against better level competition... Riyadi would have loved to get the chance to play in the Euroleague but they would never be able to meet all the required criteria

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    Zvezda completed roster, didn`t find enough quality PF, so starts season with some young players..

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    Just few more days untill the new season starts.

    It's quite hard to make some valid judgements for most of the teams, Zvezda was trying to get good reinforcements the most, obviously wants to keep themselves in the euroleague for a bit longer period.
    Partizan has kept almost the same team with their youngsters upside that means tons of room for improvement.
    Cedevita went "Croatian" and got rid of their overexpensive unproductive core of players from last season.
    Olimpija calculated a lot with foreigners, that could fire either way, finding new Green/Baynes or Waters type of player.
    Cibona has a really good core of 6-7 players, but got humiliated by Cedevita in the supercup.
    MZT seems to change only minor stuff.
    Igokea will be very interesting team as they've got some decent newcomers there, but wasn't winning due to names last season either.
    Krka already parted ways with Nix (2 brawls in the preparation games already) and signed their old C Chris Booker instead, overall apart from D.Lorbek they can actualy be happy about the players they've let go.
    Mega Vizura seems really young! Must be one of the youngest teams in the league's history.
    Radnički isn't exactly on the same page there, but nevertheless among the youngest teams, surprisingly changed their whole team or so...

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    We can expect more interesting season then last year and especially in battle for F4...
    However, I think that Zvezda and Partizan will definitely be in first 4, and for other 2 spots, there will be a big fight..
    Slight advantage in that run I will give to Cedevita and Cibona, but there is also Buducnost(which made pretty better and more compact team then last year, but there is no Radonjic now there, so we will see), Igokea(also made a strong team at least by names, but I doubt that they can again find good chemistry like last year and to be placed in first 4), Olimpija(which have really interesting and young team, but that young can be a big burden for F4, but I see them at least in first 7), Radnicki(a lot younger and maybe more compact then last year, but not so many quality individuals like last year, I dont see them in first 4).. etc
    And I will also mention Mega(a lot of young and really talented player, which will play without any pressure, and that could be dangerous for all their opponents), I see them more closely to the top half of the table, then at the bottom...

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    MZT Skopje - Olimpija
    First game of the season, played tonight. Olimpija is without Jackson that is lightly injured and will miss the first two weeks.
    Compared to the last year Skopje mostlikely changed for the better with Sinovec, I am not sure about the US PF and not a particular fan of Uroš Lučić, but they seem stronger nevertheless. Olimpija's Stephenson is by now looking as another good revelation, Augustus seems promising to get there, however so far Olimpija has been a true brick factory from the range and with Joksimovič/Rupnik/Marinelli on the point, where Skopje seems the most vulnerabe (nevermind Otašević being a great defender) I would be positively surprised if Olimpija would manage to pull this one through.

    Cibona - Radnički
    Two things, it'll be interesting to see how Cibona's veterans are still able to perform and if Radnički would actually be able to assemble some good chemistry and team play as AmonRa is mentioning above, that could make them dangerous team in the future. By now I'd bet on Cibona.

    Široki - Zvezda
    Biggest and the smallest budget of the league, I'd expect some Široki players to stand out as they do every season however it would take a lot of such revelations for them to overcome Zvezda.

    Krka - Bodućnost
    Krka has lost some of the players responsible for their last season, but could lose one or two more, while instead of playing young Pajič and Bolčina on PF they brought Hukić instead. Judging from the supercup game, Buljan and Lapornik will easily make the transition to this level though. Bodućnost seems on their regular (high) level again.

    Zadar - Szolnoki
    I am always hoping for Zadar to finaly have a good season in ABA, but I've lost that hope quite early this season, when they've signed Đugum. I would take better roster for Szolnoki to be a favourite in Krešo's arena...

    Partizan - Igokea
    Definately will watch this one. Anxious to see which Partizan youngster is about to step out and how Igokea managed to build their team for eurocup. A lot will depend on these two team's level this year.
    We should place bets who will explode this season Milosavljević, Lauvergne, Westerman, Bogdanović or even Milutinov already?

    Mega Vizura - Cedevita
    Mega's games will be interesting to observe with all those youngsters playing, but overall imo they are too young to make some substantial result as it later comes down to pure strenght disadvantages. Cedevita should win it, they're imo doing it the right way suddenly...

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    Pure dissaster vs. Skopje 79-60

    I don't really care if it was due to supercup being played 2 days ago, one day only to prepare, long trip, Jackson injured, lack of practice together or their miserable shape. MZT is a good team and seems improved from last year, but Olimpija doesn't have the credit for losing by 20 abroad as far as ABA is concerned. 24 turnovers, resulting in 15 steals by MZT... can't remember the last time I've seen a team passing as many balls into opponents hands.
    Anyway. Jackson got injured in the worst possible time right now when the games are played at the fastest pace and Olimpija can really lag behind due to it. Just as in preparation tournament in Poland and in supercup, Olimpija's shape is pretty miserable. Hopefully it's a matter of shape and not actually a players quality, as honestly unless Stephenson, Jackson and Gailius step up up to expectations, Olimpija will lack that offensive leader it needs badly...

    I haven't doubted in Sinovec, while that US PF also looks good for Skopje. Čekovski and Gečevski are a year older, but after that I think they've made some good calls and improved this season. Getting a decent US PG somewhere between 150-250k € range would be a fairy tale for them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joško Poljak Fan View Post
    MZT Skopje - Olimpija
    First game of the season, played tonight. Olimpija is without Jackson that is lightly injured and will miss the first two weeks.
    Compared to the last year Skopje mostlikely changed for the better with Sinovec, I am not sure about the US PF and not a particular fan of Uroš Lučić, but they seem stronger nevertheless. Olimpija's Stephenson is by now looking as another good revelation, Augustus seems promising to get there, however so far Olimpija has been a true brick factory from the range and with Joksimovič/Rupnik/Marinelli on the point, where Skopje seems the most vulnerabe (nevermind Otašević being a great defender) I would be positively surprised if Olimpija would manage to pull this one through.

    Cibona - Radnički
    Two things, it'll be interesting to see how Cibona's veterans are still able to perform and if Radnički would actually be able to assemble some good chemistry and team play as AmonRa is mentioning above, that could make them dangerous team in the future. By now I'd bet on Cibona.

    Široki - Zvezda
    Biggest and the smallest budget of the league, I'd expect some Široki players to stand out as they do every season however it would take a lot of such revelations for them to overcome Zvezda.

    Krka - Bodućnost
    Krka has lost some of the players responsible for their last season, but could lose one or two more, while instead of playing young Pajič and Bolčina on PF they brought Hukić instead. Judging from the supercup game, Buljan and Lapornik will easily make the transition to this level though. Bodućnost seems on their regular (high) level again.

    Zadar - Szolnoki
    I am always hoping for Zadar to finaly have a good season in ABA, but I've lost that hope quite early this season, when they've signed Đugum. I would take better roster for Szolnoki to be a favourite in Krešo's arena...

    Partizan - Igokea
    Definately will watch this one. Anxious to see which Partizan youngster is about to step out and how Igokea managed to build their team for eurocup. A lot will depend on these two team's level this year.
    We should place bets who will explode this season Milosavljević, Lauvergne, Westerman, Bogdanović or even Milutinov already?

    Mega Vizura - Cedevita
    Mega's games will be interesting to observe with all those youngsters playing, but overall imo they are too young to make some substantial result as it later comes down to pure strenght disadvantages. Cedevita should win it, they're imo doing it the right way suddenly...
    MZT Skopje - Olimpija 79-60 .... Vukoicic better then Pipan.

    Cibona - Radnički 1
    Široki - Zvezda 2
    Krka - Bodućnost 2
    Zadar - Szolnoki 2
    Partizan - Igokea 1
    Mega Vizura - Cedevita 2
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    Cibona

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    Anyone have a good link to watch Red Star's game please ?

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    Great game in Široki, all the way from this half court 3 pointer, to Domagoj Bošnjak actually playing way better than I've expected after Fiba U18 all star...

    Whatever is happening with Cibona goes beyond me. Some people might be too old and Jagodić definately isn't on the level needed for this league, but Radnički didn't seem exactly terrifying either...

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