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    There's a good chance Sabonis might be traded soon. It's obvious that Sabonis and Turner can't play together. Also soon Sabonis' rookie contract ends (he has one more year) and can Indiana offer Sabonis 60-70mil contract just as they did to Turner? No, they can't pay that much players who can't play together. So one of them will likely go and I think it's Sabonis because Turner stones the defence for Indiana and any coach wants that. Would love Sabonis ending up in Spurs in Pop stays there.
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    Was there a single article about Pacers future that didn't say that one of them might be gone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuDux View Post
    Was there a single article about Pacers future that didn't say that one of them might be gone?
    Are you enforcing my post or trying to trivialize it? Can't really decide
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    Here's a good article which reveals how Sabonis had a sneaky absolute beast of a season. It will be interesting if NBA will take him seriously for 6th man of the year award (while he's a true MVP of all of that kind) or they will simply go fanciest way - awarding high scorers in Lou Williams or Rose (also sentimental award in this case). I'm quoting most interesting parts and give you the link:



    "Sabonis ranks eighth among the Pacers in minutes played (24.8) but first in rebounding (9.3) and third in scoring (14.1) while shooting a team-best 59 percent from the field. He's even hit 9-of-17 3-point field goal attempts for a team-best .529 accuracy rate.

    The advanced statistical analytics not only reveal Sabonis as being clearly deserving of this award, but also likely the most valuable Pacer.

    His Player Efficiency Rating, which takes into account all the ways a player can contribute to winning while factoring in pace of play and playing time, is 22.0. That's easily best of all the Pacers, including Oladipo before his injury. Turner is second at 18.1.

    Sabonis' Win Share total, which attempts to determine how much credit each player deserves for a team's win total is .198 per 48 minutes. Darren Collison is second among the Pacers at .154.

    None of those high-scoring guards considered to be among the leading Sixth Man candidates can match those numbers. The best among them is Williams, who has a PER of 21.4 and a Win Share per 48 of .126.
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    https://www.nba.com/pacers/news/pace...-consideration




    And here's today's interview with Sabonis:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZINO6T-IGs
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    Sabas among three finalist for Sixth man of a year award. He won't grab it, but that's nice. I think Sabonis stepped into Marciulionis shoes, when he left second.

    Also I figured Sabonis was a 50 passes per game player. Only Jokic, Embiid and Marc Gasol had more than 50 passes as a centers. Sabonis is at the top of Pacers alomg with Collison (main PG) with that. I always knew he's better passer than his three assists shows. F.e. JV was a 35.7 passes a game player and he is still solid with this number.

    https://8points9seconds.com/2019/05/...ixth-man-year/
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    Tough call for the Pacers regarding Sabonis. One one hand, Domantas Sabonis led the team in win shares this season and hes on the hook for $3.5 million next year, on the other hand, Turner and Sabonis don't really fit together and Pacers could get such players as Mike Conley or Kevin Love for him which would be a better fit for the Pacers.

    I quote an opinion why Sabonis might be traded and for what:



    1. Id trade Sabonis

    Hes good, maybe even PRETTY good. Hes young, extremely durable and very cheap for another season. And thats exactly why Id trade him.

    Turner led the league in blocks and hit 39% of his three-pointers. Hes the exact type of center you want if you have to have a center and hell make less than Allen Crabbe next season. I keep Turner, build my defense around him and put shooters/shot-creators around him and Oladipo.

    A Sabonis trade is interesting because his salary is cheap enough that any roster could absorb it and since you asked, here are my favorite fake trades:

    Sabonis to the Hawks for #10 pick. Pacers get a top 10 pick for their backup center. Hawks get a center better than anyone they could have gotten at #10.

    Sabonis/McDermott to Cleveland for Kevin Love. Turn Sabonis into your FA acquisition and someone that can play with Turner. After his injury this season, Im not sure what Loves market is. Maybe Cleveland asks for Indianas #18 pick this season and goes full rebuild with the Sex Man, Sabonis, the #5 and #18 pick.

    Sabonis/#18 pick to Memphis for Mike Conley. Memphis may end up with the same issue as Indy with a JJJ/Sabonis frontcourt pairing, but Im betting on JJJ being a better shooter/defender than Turner. Conley is also an Indianapolis native and the Pacers have been trying to acquire him for years.

    Sabonis to Washington for #9. Same as Atlanta. Whoever the Wizards would have drafted at #9 wont be as good as Sabonis is right now. And you have a chance to negotiate his next contract.

    The market for bigs may be declining but the market for versatile bigs will never die. Sabonis was made a stretch-four by OKC and the sixth man by Indy. He may just need a team willing to let him play his game. His Per 36 Minute data this year: 20-13-4 on 59% FG shooting. His ORB% rate put him between DeAndre Jordan and Deandre Ayton. His DRB% put him between Giannis and KAT. His FT rate puts him right ahead of Blake and Luka, and hes hitting 72% from the stripe. His AST% puts him a smidge in front of Nurkic and hes improved every year defensively.

    Normally, Id say keep Sabonis and figure it out (and I wouldnt hate the Pacers for doing this) but an Oladipo/Turner/Conley trio or adding a top ten pick in exchange for your backup center could get the Pacers in ECF contention.


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    Don’t forget in any trade you matchup the money. So with Sabonis’ making so little money you can’t get good value for him. I think Indiana keeps him 100% and then next year he is a restricted free agent so if he has an even better year next year they have the option to match any contract.

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    Sabonis has to improve defensively. He has great per 36 minute statistics but he also averages about 5 fouls committed as well. That’s the worst in the NBA among all players with his actual minutes played or more. Basically that means it’s the worst for starters and rotation players in the entire NBA. He has to improve on that and I think he will. It’s just about learning how to defend without fouling and picking your spots. Jokic had this problem a couple of years ago and he figured it out.

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    Pacers wants Rubio and 4th pick of Pelicans. I assume Pelicans would want Turner or Sabonis for that pick. Unlikely to happen, imo.
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    So Domas Sabonis gets some respect from NBA and finishes as the runner-up at Sixth Man of A Year Award. Great recognition and he's the second Lithuanian after Marčiulionis to do that. It only shows what kind of a beast we have growing. Nor peaking Kleiza or Songaila couldn't be close to that.
    Also Sabonis ended up 6th among most improved players. Basically only 2 Europeans were among top candidates - Vucevic (5th) and Sabonis (6th).
    Sabonis beat Pacers franchise field goal record - 59%. Made it to the top 5 Per- Minute along with McGinnis, Oladipo, J. O'neal.
    Beast of a season and I expect him to be better next year!

    Now with the off season, aside Youth NT campaigns, we surely get to follow very wealthy Summer league this year. We'll have three guys to follow - Kulboka (I'm most eager to see where he stands at), Sirvydis and Brazdeikis.

    The word is being said Sirvydis is more likely to stay in the G- league than continuing to play in Europe.
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    McMillan says he's gonna start Sabonis with Turner. That should increase his playing time. McMillan has a word on current shape Sabonis as well. I expect him to come into a beast mode to the NT:

    "He was here just two weeks ago. He looks great. He's been working his behind off getting ready for the World Championships."

    https://www.nba.com/pacers/news/turn...tarting-lineup

    Also Pacers wants to get Sabonis with a long-term contract extension. It will be interesting how these two bigs will look in the era of small ball. Should be the biggest and toughest starting frontline in the NBA
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    Domas season top 10 plays. "Daddies pass" and the fiesta of posters!:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=u8gHVux5yRc
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    New season, new posters. Domas poised for a brake-out season. He will star for the Pacers and his minutes will increase:

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    hopefully he doesnt get traded to a team like rockets

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    Domantas Sabonis agreed to 77mln deal for 4 years.

    Getting biggest contract in Ltu players history beating Valanciunas signing 64/4 couple years ago.

    Good news for NT fans both our stars are with long term contracts and should be ready to go in June.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawshank View Post
    Good news for NT fans both our stars are with long term contracts and should be ready to go in June.
    This attitude should change already. Neither of them are stars. Sabonis may reach that, may not. JV never was a star and in contemporary BB he has zero chances to be such, specially FIBA. He never even managed to be most points generating player in the NT ever (not even in depleted 2014WC team, where Seibutis beat him), so masses should stop this JV is a star prejudice. Another solid player for us, nothing less, nothing more. Sabonis at the moment is almost in the same shoes, but better because of mobile D and more generating points, IQ. But even he never yet played at the star level in NT, far from that.

    If people think JV and Sabonis will lead NT to glory, they are delusional and have no idea bout contemporary basketball. Sabonis will likely be very useful in the future, one of the keys, but he can't be a guy to go or highly expressed leader. Not even mentioning JV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    This attitude should change already. Neither of them are stars. Sabonis may reach that, may not. JV never was a star and in contemporary BB he has zero chances to be such, specially FIBA. He never even managed to be most points generating player in the NT ever (not even in depleted 2014WC team, where Seibutis beat him), so masses should stop this JV is a star prejudice. Another solid player for us, nothing less, nothing more. Sabonis at the moment is almost in the same shoes, but better because of mobile D and more generating points, IQ. But even he never yet played at the star level in NT, far from that.

    If people think JV and Sabonis will lead NT to glory, they are delusional and have no idea bout contemporary basketball. Sabonis will likely be very useful in the future, one of the keys, but he can't be a guy to go or highly expressed leader. Not even mentioning JV.
    They are two best players by far.Not even close comparisons with others.So yeah i call them Lithuanian stars and most known players by far right now in world of basketball.Valanciunas was leading scorer and most effiecient offensive player in last 3 of 4 tournaments Lithuania played.He is in middle of his career and he already leading in some category of nt team all time history and by scored points already is in top 10 all time. 5 years from know he has seriuos chance being nr 1 on that scoring list.So i dont know where are you comming with that he doesnt generate enough points.

    "be most points generating player" i dont know what kind of stat is this,but how it sounds the leading player in this category will be the ones that have the ball all the time- guards.Obviuosly centers will never have the ball that much.But it also obviuos guards wont grab rebounds and block the shots,that why eff centers have better.That he is not most points generating player it obviuos way because he is center .His job is to grab rebounds and score inside.But even so still being such productive force inside he is top 3 generating points in our team right?

    what it have to do with 2014 tournament? Jonas was only 22 and still put averages 14.4+8reb and put 25 pts performance in bronze match against Gobert and France.What you want more from 22 years old kid? For example Jonas had better WC at age of 22 than Domantas had at 23old in 2019 WC.SO why i dont see no critics Domantas way about this summer performance? Be consintence.

    Maybe your memory is not good,but after learning his lessons in 2011-2013 tournaments after that Jonas in 2014-2019 had only one bad tournament (2016) and in last 5 years scored most points than any other ltu nt member .So yeah he provides alot of points in my opinnion compared to others our nt players.

    I dont know where that obviuos your hate with Valanciunas comes,but it is not seriuos talks.If Valanciunas would say to his agent im returning to europe biggest euroleague clubs would offer him millions right now to player that his at his peak of power at 27.

    Next 3-4 years will be Valanciunas best years and yes he gonna lead our NT to medal again thats my opinion .You have your own ok.But to have problem that i called valanciunas ltu basketball star is that just obviuos hate because it impossible to argue againts that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post

    If people think JV and Sabonis will lead NT to glory, they are delusional and have no idea bout contemporary basketball. Sabonis will likely be very useful in the future, one of the keys, but he can't be a guy to go or highly expressed leader. Not even mentioning JV.
    i would like to see who then gonna lead our nt to medal if not those 2? do you see lithuanian Doncic or Gasol? stop dreaming and look what we have now,not what maybe we will have with very big ifs in 2028...

    Valanciunas will be our leading scorer till 2023 i have no doubt about that .

    If those 2 bigs are not leading us to medal,so it means Lithuania will not have medals till atleast like 2025, there is nobody even close to their level right now.And some lkl player is not becoming seriuos nba player level in 2 years.
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    Shawshank, you have your right to have opinion, it's just that I can't agree with it a tiny bit.


    Star bigs are easily the best point generators in their teams. Remember Stojakovic, Nowitzki, Pau gasol, or the same our Sabas? Those were stars. JV is not, he is simply a player from different category. Why to bother to call him a star? False illusions to feed our vanity? It's not even the case that JV can't match those legends, it's the case he can't match our previous stars as Macijauskas, Jasikevicius, Siskauskas and the last true star healthy Kleiza. He's not even in that category in FIBA. JV never generated more than 20pts and he is treated as an offensive player while being huge liability at D.

    How JV is by far better than any player in the NT aside Sabonis if he was 4th in generating points in the NT? I mean 4th, and he's still by far the best player? He's best in your mind, but not NT reality. I agree that Sabas, along with Marciulionis, were by far best players. Could you imagine Sabonis and marciulionis backing down to some Grigonis, Lekavicius, Kalnietis?

    Ok, let's leave assists aside. Pure scoring. 2 key games against elite teams (france, aussies). Who was the best scorer? Grigonis with 29pts. Than Lekavicius and JV both 25pts. Kalnietis 21pts, Sabonis 19pts. Even in pure scoring JV can't stand out and he build his stats in the last game against trashy opponent. JV is not a standout in FIBA and not a star.

    Who says Lithuania is going to win medals soon? I didn't. If we will win anything it won't be JV who will lead NT. It will be team's effort and Grigonis, Lekavicius will be closing the games in 2 upcoming years, hopefully soon some other will join them. Building around JV means going backwards current winning basketball. We will always be naked at D with JV in contemporary BB when 4 or even 5 guys can do everything and moves in all the court. Book it. If you think we can cover JV's slow feet and lack of IQ and pretend we still have the same odds to win the games against the teams which don't have such liability, than your bet is a bad one JV is barely playable in FIBA and contemporary NBA. In NBA at least he's good offensively, not so much in FIBA.

    And should I really school you that FIBA is much different than NBA? Kuz could easily be 11-12pts per game player in the NBA if he played 24min in NBA. When he was given the chance, he provided exactly that. Kuz never had any problems offensively in the NBA, never. It's his crappy D who kicked him out of NBA. Did you notice how JV was used in winning Raptors team? He was riding the bench any time there's no huge, slow lumberjack in the court. If there's no huge lumberjack in the court, JV was unplaybale in the NBA. His minutes decreased to 18 minutes...

    You absolutely missed the moment when JV became a history in conteporary basketball. As a player, he is a dying and nearly dead breed. No contender team would take him and give him more than 15min in the NBA. The worst part is that JV is even worse p'n'r defender than some other huge dudes as Nurkic or Addams. That makes him extremely difficult to use in contemporary basketball.

    Lithuania will very likely still go with the same losing path because our coaching culture is extremely low, but it doesn't mean JV will lead this team to medals. That's a huge illusion, specially now when the opponents sunk 2 key games winners into his face. That has nothing to do with hate, only with facts.
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    what???? lt nt have no shooters, everyone is double/triple teaming jv, but he still cant score 20 every game? jv is so pathetic

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