What does the Philippine team need to watch out for (vol III)

[rzr_390]

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb...froling-1.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/michael-wang-1.html

kai and aj's asia u18 contemporaries have started their ncaa D1 season.
hopefully kai and aj can surpass their contemporaries, unlike a certain ex-Bruin ex-Bluejay ex-Matador soon to be ex-Fighting Maroon kid who was left behind by his contemporaries hachimura and bassey in terms of development and career progression (but is way ahead in his showbiz career ).

Wang hit 4/6 3p's. He's 6'10". Kid seems like a legit stretch big.

[rzr_390]

AJ needs to develop his game and his body to keep this guy in check.Watanabe will always be a problem be he is not much of an interior problem like this guy.Watanabe likes to play more of an outside game and a run and gun type of game.This guy can play both inside and out but is more reliable operating inside the paint.If we can check Hachi's inside game and Watanabe's outside and run and gun game, then maybe we could get them to be less productive.Again, easier said than done.



Kai needs to be better than Froling and Wang.To sum it up, Aj and Kai will be our county's hope against Japan,China and Australia.Their development will be very crucial.While AJ did a good showing in his first game, let's hope and pray that he gets consistent and develop strength and experience as soon as possible.Kai may need some more time to develop.

Bang on with your assessment! Rui only made 1 mid-range jumper in those highlights. Everything else was in the lane or in transition.
Who in our 2023 pool has enough strength and quickness to slow him down?

[kerouac82]

Wang hit 4/6 3p's. He's 6'10". Kid seems like a legit stretch big.

Edu will get to play against Wang on December 30, 3 AM Manila time. Hope someone posts a streaming link for it.

[Alex07]

If Kobe improves

Bang on with your assessment! Rui only made 1 mid-range jumper in those highlights. Everything else was in the lane or in transition.
Who in our 2023 pool has enough strength and quickness to slow him down?

For me the obvious player to guard such forwards is no other than Kobe Paras.But Kobe right now also needs to improve tremendously and become a 2 way player.Based on the cadets stint, Kobe needs to develop his motor so that he could keep up not only on offense but on the defensive end as well (improve his on ball and off ball defense) .Players that he should emulate should be Calvin Abueva. Imagine Paras with the energy,strength and conditioning of a Calvin Abueva (less the antics that could get him Technical fouls or worse suspend him in some games).That guy looks tireless even if you play him 40 minutes.

A 6'6 smart lock down defender is what we need since Norwood is on his way to retirement internationally at least. Kobe might be lacking length against Hachimura or Watanabe (more likely it would be Hachimura), but with his athleticism, acquired wit,improved strength and motor, Kobe can give those guys a hard time on offense and get them to play defense.What he lacks in length he should be able to provide in strength.If Kobe could develop his strength enough then he could fend off players taller than him on the post.Kobe is already a considerable shot blocker already maybe we could use him on defense to the opponents' key players, the question should be is he up to the task less of being the star of the team?

[Sam (a.k.a.) Tuwid]

For me the obvious player to guard such forwards is no other than Kobe Paras.But Kobe right now also needs to improve tremendously and become a 2 way player.Based on the cadets stint, Kobe needs to develop his motor so that he could keep up not only on offense but on the defensive end as well (improve his on ball and off ball defense) .Players that he should emulate should be Calvin Abueva. Imagine Paras with the energy,strength and conditioning of a Calvin Abueva (less the antics that could get him Technical fouls or worse suspend him in some games).That guy looks tireless even if you play him 40 minutes.

A 6'6 smart lock down defender is what we need since Norwood is on his way to retirement internationally at least. Kobe might be lacking length against Hachimura or Watanabe (more likely it would be Hachimura), but with his athleticism, acquired wit,improved strength and motor, Kobe can give those guys a hard time on offense and get them to play defense.What he lacks in length he should be able to provide in strength.If Kobe could develop his strength enough then he could fend off players taller than him on the post.Kobe is already a considerable shot blocker already maybe we could use him on defense to the opponents' key players, the question should be is he up to the task less of being the star of the team?

Wondering why Kobe is being severely underutilized by Gilas. I know that part of the requirement for Gilas inclusion is an active participation and a healthy willingness to submit to the demands of the program which seemingly, Kobe has yet to exhibit, but hey! Beggars can’t be choosers... it’s not like we have an abundance of homegrown/non-naturalized candidates fitting or even approximating the young Paras’ attributes.

Have we suddenly forgot how Kobe Paras looked like an NBA credentialed baller against an even fuller stacked SEA games opposition? The only key was him having the proper coach which in coach Jong Uichico was ably provided... stack KP’s performance under the Reyeses to those under Coach Jong, then you definitely have one giant overhyped white elephant on the hardwood planks.
He was downright, USELESS.

[Dotch]

He was downright, USELESS.

He was good for the fangirls and fangays, not only in the PHL, but also in Indonesia. There even was a trending topic about his pekpek shorts and his mamba .

[monsoonxvi]

^
One thing is clear though, there is a huge gap difference in the number of US NCAA players that Australia ( about 100 players) , New Zealand ( around 40) , no idea with Japan.. that our Asia Pacific rivals have over the Philippines in terms of churning out young talent for the US NCAA.

link of Ozys just gives you an idea

https://pickandroll.com.au/ncaa-men-2/?fbclid=IwAR2BJ5liB4F6f5hDskoLtC5S9MV2xvujTA_iVvFMuBL-1q-1-w3eIsZlcd0

now granted not many Filipinos even want to play in the US NCAA , there is a clear gap in player quantity being produced that can play at that level. Which begs the question , why are we falling behind.. or not producing the same amount of output? The answer for ANZ is obvious , givne the size and athleticisim advantage, but what about Japan? One can argue they should have more difficulty making it in the US given the language barrier . but they seem to be doing something homegrown .. that makes them produce these players.. hmm, what is it?

Again, it boils to size at position. We would need to make our 6'5" and under players capable of playing as guards (on offense and defense). Either that or consistently have 7-footers like Kai.

Other factors come into play like exposure and connections, but still if a player has size and skill (like AJ) he will get a chance.

My son joined a basketball program that is one of the top in the nation. This current season, they have 80+ alumni players playing D1 basketball. Imagine 80+ players coming from just one program. His 1st season with them he was put in their 2nd level teams and he performed well playing the 4 and 5 positions, he was a regular starter. This year he was promoted to the top team for his age group and it was a big reality check, and kind of illustrates the problem of our players. When he made it to that elite team, he was the second shortest on the team and had to play as a guard. Needless to say it was difficult for him and he barely gets playing time. But at 13 he now realizes what D1 talents look like because almost all their players that manages to stick with the top team do get recruited. The size, speed and talent of the kids are unbelievable (dunking at 13).

In Japan's case, Rui and Yuta broke that 6'5" barrier so they do not have to be guards. So most likely they have played as bigs their whole life (albeit with elite skills) and did not have to drastically adjust. A guy like Jeremy Lin at 6'3" has always managed to be a PG because his growth spurt came late.

[Alex07]

He was good for the fangirls and fangays, not only in the PHL, but also in Indonesia. There even was a trending topic about his pekpek shorts and his mamba .

It's not as if we have the luxury of having too many freakishly athletic players like Jalen Green or a very skilled tall player like Kemaka Hepa. Heck even Christian David would have been a very good small forward if not only with his Canadian stint and the Hagop ruling.The Philippines at this day and age can produce a handful of 6'6 players, however 6'6 players with a guard skill set is still a rarity even today.Yes beggars can't be choosers. If we could make Ron Harper Jr. eligible to play as local then we may have ourselves a "good enough" match up for Hachimura and Watanabe.

[c_d]

In Japan's case, Rui and Yuta broke that 6'5" barrier so they do not have to be guards. So most likely they have played as bigs their whole life (albeit with elite skills) and did not have to drastically adjust. A guy like Jeremy Lin at 6'3" has always managed to be a PG because his growth spurt came late.

Even with our locals who broke the 6'7 barrier, we're pretty much terrible at developing them. In the high school ranks, there are 3 standing at least 6'8 (maybe more) who are not even good enough to be considered for batang gilas. If you add those who are in college who aren't even being considered for the cadet pool, our pool of underdeveloped 6'7 and up probably rises to about 10.

BTW, the JBA has this. Use google translate and scroll down to "requirements". http://www.japanbasketball.jp/training-news/45339

[monsoonxvi]

Even with our locals who broke the 6'7 barrier, we're pretty much terrible at developing them. In the high school ranks, there are 3 standing at least 6'8 (maybe more) who are not even good enough to be considered for batang gilas. If you add those who are in college who aren't even being considered for the cadet pool, our pool of underdeveloped 6'7 and up probably rises to about 10.

BTW, the JBA has this. Use google translate and scroll down to "requirements". http://www.japanbasketball.jp/training-news/45339

Unfortunately, our 6'6" to about 6'9" players will be "tweeners." Not quite fast enough or not quite big enough. IMO, our best chances of producing D1-level talent are the 6'5" and below and guys like Kai who are 7'.

Japan is doing it correctly by having the height requirement. It also helps that their aspiring athletes who don't meet the requirement has other sports options.

[balong]

Even with our locals who broke the 6'7 barrier, we're pretty much terrible at developing them. In the high school ranks, there are 3 standing at least 6'8 (maybe more) who are not even good enough to be considered for batang gilas. If you add those who are in college who aren't even being considered for the cadet pool, our pool of underdeveloped 6'7 and up probably rises to about 10.

BTW, the JBA has this. Use google translate and scroll down to "requirements". http://www.japanbasketball.jp/training-news/45339

Well, just look at a very undersized pasaol, and then you ask why not develop him to be sg. Then theres lakay’s midget pf son, dyke, verano etc. we are not developing players that is right for their heights.

[analyzed]

The problem is the local basketball community refuses to see this as a problem, many even in this forum will not even accept the idea that we have inferior development. It's viewed as unpatriotic to state reality. Some are of the view that are high school programs are one of the most advanced technically. Like we think we're ahead knowledge wise.and no longer need to learn. Unfortunately one has to realise shortcomings to improve.
I know how people in this forum will react to my post.. like it's condescending, well reality is that is the only way to start change

[c_d]

Unfortunately, our 6'6" to about 6'9" players will be "tweeners." Not quite fast enough or not quite big enough. IMO, our best chances of producing D1-level talent are the 6'5" and below and guys like Kai who are 7'.

I agree. If our goal is to develop d1 caliber talent year in year out, it'll be players standing 6'0-6'5 since we'll always have players with that size every generation for sure. As for those 6'7 and up players I mentioned, the fact that they're being left underdeveloped as if we're not in short supply of players with size is mind boggling. Just look at the number of "prospects" listed in the future big men thread.

Japan is doing it correctly by having the height requirement. It also helps that their aspiring athletes who don't meet the requirement has other sports options.

Yeah. They're taking a page from what the developed basketball countries are doing and adapting it to their situation (setting the height requirement). They're rising to the level of the competition instead of just making excuses. Lol. If I were to rephrase what coach Tab said, "Are we content with a standard (instead of style of play) that's only effective within the borders of the Philippines or do we rise to the level of our opponents?"

I'm not sure if it was you or if it was some other poster. I remember reading a post of how disappointing it was (not exact words) when we had an "elite" youth camp but the "best" prospect we can come up with was a 5'6 pg named after an nba hall of famer. The articles claim they already searched nationwide at that. Japan, on the other hand, isn't searching for ready made players since they already know they won't find anyone that fits international standards locally. Instead, they'll make them.

[TheRodster21]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqCRe5AB0nq/

Taane Samuel is a good example. Not even a big but actually more like a guard. He’s not even really quicker it’s just he’s that skilled and has good size at an international level.

[analyzed]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqCRe5AB0nq/

Taane Samuel is a good example. Not even a big but actually more like a guard. He’s not even really quicker it’s just he’s that skilled and has good size at an international level.

Him and this https://mobile.twitter.com/abscbnspo...975933440?s=12
Both developed and train under same place/camp. Despite their height you can see their handles and comfort in the perimeter,
So I know it can be done see. It. Every day, latest player is a 6 6 guard has a div 1 offer