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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex07 View Post
    sayang, the guy is like the better,quicker,taller version of Iran's Mahdi Kamrani.he would have been one of the best point guards in the PBA and FIBA-Asia if he was considered local.
    Aaron Craft was a beast in college. He was one of the most popular college basketball players in the US during his time.

    That is crazy! I had no idea he was Filipino!
    He would have been the best defensive player in the PBA if he played here after Ohio State... imo.
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    Hachimura is scary good. His mid range game is on par with KD and Melo when they were rookies. If he gets a consistent 3 point shot he could be a superstar.

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    Indonesia doing a Gilas 1 blue print

    http://www.fiba.basketball/asiacup/2...es-says-gozali

    With the FIBA Asia Cup 2021 Qualifiers coming up next year and the FIBA Basketball World Cup 2023 down the road in the near future, the Indonesia national team are ramping up their efforts to improve themselves. They are also taking a leaf out of the book of their Group A opponents, the Philippines, as a part of that development plan.

    The Indonesia national team will be one of the 10 competing teams in the Indonesia Basketball League (IBL) this upcoming season. The league will be tipping off on January 10, 2020.

    “The idea was similar to [the Gilas Pilipinas program] initiated back in 2008,” said Hasan Gozali, President Commissioner of the IBL. “The difference is that Gilas had longer time to prepare, so they were able to use [younger players].”

    Once a month after the start of league play, Indonesia will play the first of their Asia Cup 2021 Qualifier games against Korea at home. Gozali is hoping that the league can serve as a proper training ground for the team to be ready.

    Indonesia has been deep in preparation for a while with notable participation in pocket tournaments throughout these past few months. They are also currently undergoing a training camp in Serbia, getting familiar with the playing style and system of newly appointed head coach Rajko Toroman. Playing in the IBL will be another good opportunity to continue building on the progress gained in the latter half of 2019.

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    meanwhile in Spain... a 17 year-old 6'8 center is breaking Euroleague records...

    https://www.eurobasket.com/Spain/new...the-Euroleague
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    Quote Originally Posted by mangangalakal View Post
    meanwhile in Spain... a 17 year-old 6'8 center is breaking Euroleague records...

    https://www.eurobasket.com/Spain/new...the-Euroleague
    If we have a liberal naturalization law on refugees then maybe we could get someone with that kind if size and athleticism.Until then, we should pray for another Japeth Aguilar with high basketball IQ and Kai Sotto who weighs like Geo Chiu but as athletic as AJ Edu.
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    we don't even need refugees.. we should liberalize foreign player restrictions in our leagues so FSAs settle here and their children can become Pinoys..
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    2 Chinese junior players in EBA (Spanish fourth division) Zhang Zhiyao and Dong Hao of Real Betis II
    https://www.realbetisbalompie.es/not...-mundial-22367
    https://www.andaluzabaloncesto.org/s...vinciales.aspx
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    Quote Originally Posted by mangangalakal View Post
    we don't even need refugees.. we should liberalize foreign player restrictions in our leagues so FSAs settle here and their children can become Pinoys..
    But Garuba's parents were refugees.Same case with Serge Ibaka and Thon Maker afaik.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex07 View Post
    But Garuba's parents were refugees.Same case with Serge Ibaka and Thon Maker afaik.
    1. Garuba and Ibaka did not become Spanish citizens because they were refugees. all legal migrants to Spain can apply to become citizens after a certain period of residing and working there, which is very short. In contrast, here in the Philippines, migrants need to undergo a very long process or have many friends in Congress. Take note, even South Korea already has a athlete naturalization law with a purely administrative process (no Congressional involvement). The NSA just needs to vouch for the applicant and the applicant undergoes a review process by the Korean Justice department. Tha's how Ratliffe got his citizenship..
    2. Ibaka was not a refugee. Sure he's Congolese but he left Congo b/c he was recruited by a Spanish ballclub. https://www.sergeibaka.com/the-story/
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    Quote Originally Posted by mangangalakal View Post
    1. Garuba and Ibaka did not become Spanish citizens because they were refugees. all legal migrants to Spain can apply to become citizens after a certain period of residing and working there, which is very short. In contrast, here in the Philippines, migrants need to undergo a very long process or have many friends in Congress. Take note, even South Korea already has a athlete naturalization law with a purely administrative process (no Congressional involvement). The NSA just needs to vouch for the applicant and the applicant undergoes a review process by the Korean Justice department. Tha's how Ratliffe got his citizenship..
    2. Ibaka was not a refugee. Sure he's Congolese but he left Congo b/c he was recruited by a Spanish ballclub. https://www.sergeibaka.com/the-story/
    question remains, how one can be naturalized before the age of 16? Unless there is a law which grants refugees qualified to be as law abiding and productive citizens, i don't think we can naturalize someone that young.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex07 View Post
    question remains, how one can be naturalized before the age of 16? Unless there is a law which grants refugees qualified to be as law abiding and productive citizens, i don't think we can naturalize someone that young.
    Congress can do anything as regards naturalization. Nothing in our law prohibits the naturalization of kids. It's just that current laws make it impossible to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mangangalakal View Post
    Congress can do anything as regards naturalization. Nothing in our law prohibits the naturalization of kids. It's just that current laws make it impossible to do so.
    Cong. Romero should be filing those kind of bills that would allow easier immigration and naturalization laws for student athletes instead he's doing the opposite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deviant View Post
    Cong. Romero should be filing those kind of bills that would allow easier immigration and naturalization laws for student athletes instead he's doing the opposite.
    Agree. Mikee can go fv__ himself. he's not helping anyone but his alma mater.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deviant View Post
    Cong. Romero should be filing those kind of bills that would allow easier immigration and naturalization laws for student athletes instead he's doing the opposite.
    romero should not win in the next election. theres no place for people like him in sports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mangangalakal View Post
    Congress can do anything as regards naturalization. Nothing in our law prohibits the naturalization of kids. It's just that current laws make it impossible to do so.
    Yes the congress can do that, but how can a 15 year old who can't even be a party to a contract be a subject of naturalization? Yes I would agree that the congress should liberalize our naturalization laws but Refugees who have all their families is the more realistic approach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex07 View Post
    Yes the congress can do that, but how can a 15 year old who can't even be a party to a contract be a subject of naturalization? Yes I would agree that the congress should liberalize our naturalization laws but Refugees who have all their families is the more realistic approach.
    what part of the sentence: "nothing in Philippine law prohibits naturalization of children" do you not understand? under philippine law once you're born you have legal capacity, w/c includes the capability to be naturalized. That is different from capacity to contract.
    And do you realize how inaccessible PH is for African refugees? it's not like they have money to travel. And it's not like PH is a safe country for them,.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mangangalakal View Post
    what part of the sentence: "nothing in Philippine law prohibits naturalization of children" do you not understand? under philippine law once you're born you have legal capacity, w/c includes the capability to be naturalized. That is different from capacity to contract.
    And do you realize how inaccessible PH is for African refugees? it's not like they have money to travel. And it's not like PH is a safe country for them,.
    Its hard to argue if we are both talking about what ifs.i think we should have both liberal laws on refugees and naturalization. My question about the the eligibility rules,are refugees exempt from the u-16 passport rule? If yes, then would that mean that if ever Kuoame be classified as a “refugee”,will he be exempted from the u-16 passport rule,and if naturalized be able to play as local?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex07 View Post
    Its hard to argue if we are both talking about what ifs.i think we should have both liberal laws on refugees and naturalization. My question about the the eligibility rules,are refugees exempt from the u-16 passport rule? If yes, then would that mean that if ever Kuoame be classified as a “refugee”,will he be exempted from the u-16 passport rule,and if naturalized be able to play as local?
    I'm not talking about what ifs here. here are the facts:
    1. Refugees are a special category of persons in international law. Source: http://www.unhcr.org/uk/5aa290937.pdf
    1.a. Not every person from a country with unrest can be considered a refugee. There is political instability in Cote d' Ivoire but not enough for migrants from there to be considered refugees.
    2. There is no special provision for refugees in the FIBA nationality rules.
    3. Africa is 9,925 km away from the Philippines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mangangalakal View Post
    I'm not talking about what ifs here. here are the facts:
    1. Refugees are a special category of persons in international law. Source: http://www.unhcr.org/uk/5aa290937.pdf
    1.a. Not every person from a country with unrest can be considered a refugee. There is political instability in Cote d' Ivoire but not enough for migrants from there to be considered refugees.
    2. There is no special provision for refugees in the FIBA nationality rules.
    3. Africa is 9,925 km away from the Philippines.
    on the first part here's what the UNCHR defines it:

    "Under international law, refugees are persons outside their countries of origin who are in need of international protection because of a serious threat to their life, physical integrity or freedom in their country of origin as a result of persecution, armed conflict, violence or serious public disorder.
    The need for international protection arises because they are unable to avail themselves of the protection of their own country against these threats." and in the 1967 Protocol relating to the status of Refugees; the term “refugee” in Article 1. The emphasis of this definition is on the protection of persons from politi- cal or other forms of persecution. A refugee, according to the Convention, is someone who is unable or unwilling to return to their country of origin owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion. https://www.unhcr.org/en-us/protecti...-refugees.html


    are there any current civil unrest in Ivory Coast? there are always ethnic clashes and tensions source> https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/...another-crisis



    Here is FIBA's provision on refugees

    Marginal Cases
    34. Decisions on marginal cases are the responsibility of the Secretary General following consultation with the Chairman of the FIBA Legal Commission.
    The same shall apply with respect to refugees enjoying asylum rights and displaced persons (UN Conventions).
    In certain cases, FIBA nationality may be granted to a player.
    1.a and 3 are irrelevant
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