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  • #16
    Lots of good points from this article:

    NBA owners want to kill Olympic format to protect investment in international players

    It is an issue because it transcends Team USA, and that's something that Bryant, Kevin Love, several more teammates, and the public still haven't grasped. This isn't about sending young Americans to the Olympics to play older teams, but the NBA cutting a deal with FIBA to make the Olympics a completely under-23 tournament. For NBA teams, the ability to control their talent in a rebranded World Cup of Basketball goes far past benefiting financially in ways that the IOC will never allow.
    This is the fight now, but everyone knows how it will end: The owners are organized, unified, and determined to make the World Cup of Basketball the financial boon that they always believed a European expansion of NBA franchises could be for them. They're determined to control the way that medical staff administer to players in whom they've invested hundreds of millions of dollars, control the circumstances under which those players are cleared to play with injury, and ultimately, control the fate of guaranteed contracts they're obligated to pay.
    As one Western Conference GM told Yahoo! Sports, in responding to Team USA players saying they want final say over whether they play in the Olympics: "If players take this control, should they also take the risk on their contract money?"
    Good bye McGee if shit hits the fan (meaning NBA owners win their battle against IOC)... Plus it would lessen the prestige of the Olympics too. Reading the article, you really can't blame the owners for pushing for a US and/or Olympics U23 format...
    If there is no basketball in heaven, i am NOT going.

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    • #17
      From the same article (i just finished it ), and probably the most important:

      In the end, Bryant and James deliver incredible revenue and value to the Olympic basketball tournament, and the owners are tired of watching the IOC bank it. Yet the motivation of changing the Olympic basketball format goes far deeper than Team USA, than the sports' biggest stars. The biggest fights between owners and players always do.

      And yet, just remember how those fights always end, who always wins. There sat Kobe and LeBron on Sunday, watching the final minutes of one more USA Basketball blowout together under the Olympic rings. Take a good long look at them here in London, and understand that we'll never, ever see this again.
      If there is no basketball in heaven, i am NOT going.

      SMALLBALL, bitches..

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      • #18
        Originally posted by durden_tyler View Post
        Lots of good points from this article:

        NBA owners want to kill Olympic format to protect investment in international players







        Good bye McGee if shit hits the fan (meaning NBA owners win their battle against IOC)... Plus it would lessen the prestige of the Olympics too. Reading the article, you really can't blame the owners for pushing for a US and/or Olympics U23 format...
        not really goodbye Mcgee.. because he can still participate in the qualifiers and the World Cup of Basketball-if ever we qualify.. the NBA sometimes is "stupid" like the PBA before that they don't know what really is happening outside of their league.. so if they implement the U-23 format, how about the qualifiers? does that mean the qualifiers are also U-23?

        and for the NBA to fully implement this, then they have to deal with other businessmen in the Euroleague and ACB Liga Endesa and other leagues in Europe.. and don't forget the powerful Chinese population..

        this is another case wherein the NBA thinks they are above the rest.. yes they are but this is a political game and if the NBA doesn't convince the other leagues in the World, then it would be difficult for them to pull this off..

        and i really don't get the point of the NBA.. they say it is an U-23 tournament.. so for example they implement it this year, Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Kevin Love, Davis all of them are still eligible, they are superstars of their teams.. not as bankable as bryant and james but superstars nonetheless..

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        • #19
          Originally posted by zuma169 View Post
          not really goodbye Mcgee.. because he can still participate in the qualifiers and the World Cup of Basketball-if ever we qualify.. the NBA sometimes is "stupid" like the PBA before that they don't know what really is happening outside of their league.. so if they implement the U-23 format, how about the qualifiers? does that mean the qualifiers are also U-23?

          and for the NBA to fully implement this, then they have to deal with other businessmen in the Euroleague and ACB Liga Endesa and other leagues in Europe.. and don't forget the powerful Chinese population..

          this is another case wherein the NBA thinks they are above the rest.. yes they are but this is a political game and if the NBA doesn't convince the other leagues in the World, then it would be difficult for them to pull this off..

          and i really don't get the point of the NBA.. they say it is an U-23 tournament.. so for example they implement it this year, Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Kevin Love, Davis all of them are still eligible, they are superstars of their teams.. not as bankable as bryant and james but superstars nonetheless..
          Unfortunately, they are above the rest. FIBA rules adjusting to NBA rules? Guess who won that battle?

          And they (NBA owners) will do everything to protect their investment. That's quite understandable too.

          You also conveniently forgot to read the part (a case of again, jumping the gun prematurely, so true to many, many superfans) where IOC is the main "enemy" of the NBA here-- it's practically because the NBA/NBA owners does NOT profit from these games. Knowing that, it's makes sense what the owners want.
          If there is no basketball in heaven, i am NOT going.

          SMALLBALL, bitches..

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          • #20
            Re: McGee, you are correct that it does not necessarily mean that he can't play for us but negotiations with owners will be quite difficult if most owners have this strict rules in place for team members who would want to play for their NT (insurance, etc)
            If there is no basketball in heaven, i am NOT going.

            SMALLBALL, bitches..

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            • #21
              This will be a battle of America vs. the World. Who wins will depend on a whole lot of factors, and both sides have advantages and leverage which they can use. We might even see the NBA hijacking the FIBA leadership so they can get their way. There has to be an alignment of interests between FIBA and the NBA.

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              RUMOR: CJ Giles to become new Lebanese naturalized player???

              In a surprising move, and after negotiating a big number of players, Champville management signed today with american forward Darius Rice (208-F-82, college: Miami, FL) and american center C.J. Chester Giles (211-F/C-85, college: Oregon St.). Both Rice and Chester Giles played in Bahrain last year.... Rice will have his first experience in Lebanon, while CJ will be playing here for the third time after playing for Riyadi and Chabab in the previous seasons. also on the other hand, rumors are spread in the market that Chester Giles might be the new naturalized player for the Lebanese NT.

              and:

              US Selection to play in 2012 Jones Cup. Team looks rather weak, though.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by durden_tyler View Post
                Unfortunately, they are above the rest. FIBA rules adjusting to NBA rules? Guess who won that battle?

                And they (NBA owners) will do everything to protect their investment. That's quite understandable too.

                You also conveniently forgot to read the part (a case of again, jumping the gun prematurely, so true to many, many superfans) where IOC is the main "enemy" of the NBA here-- it's practically because the NBA/NBA owners does NOT profit from these games. Knowing that, it's makes sense what the owners want.
                i understand the business side actually.. businessmen want more money than they have right now.. so the NBA and it's team owners want to protect their investments and earn more.. i get it and i don't have anything to say about that..

                but it seems that because of the U-23 format they are proposing, everyone is seeing it as there will be NO NBA PLAYERS ANYMORE but in reality, the players i have mentioned are 23 yrs and under.. it doesn't really make sense.. just say no more NBA in the olympics period.. Durant is a BIG BIG investment but in reality he is eligible because he is only 23 years old if the format is implemented now.. so where is the consistency...

                and as far as NBA rules being implemented by FIBA.. i see nothing that resembles the NBA.. yes the freethrow dimensions are like the NBA.. but the 3 point line is the PBA line and not the NBA.. and as far as fouls and rules are concerned, it is still different.. Team USA is actually adjusting right now as they have said..

                so there..

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                • #23
                  USA Men's Select Team Announced by Taiwan (34th William Jones Cup live on ESPN) - Jul 30, 2012


                  With the NBA Legends in town, Taiwan has become a hot bed for USA talent and stars. The NBA Legends will play versus a Taiwan Select team just 3 weeks before the 34thAnnual Williams Jones Cup. But for the first time since 2004 Team USA will participate in the Jones Cup. Featuring 11 players owning Asia Professional Basketball experience, including the 2010AsiaBasket.com All-Arab Club Championships Best Import Player Marcus Melvin and the 2011 Asia-Basket.com All-Japanese BJ League Guard of the Year Wayne Arnold.

                  UPG CEO Jerone Dodd Jr expressed that "This is a great opportunity for all of the players, coaches, our company, the Taiwanese and International basketball communities. It aligns with our goals for the development within the international basketball market and has the potential to forge new opportunities for the future.

                  CTBA and UPG today announced 13 players for the 2012 USA Men's Select Team that will participate in the 34th William Jones Cup tournament which will be held in TPEC Gym in Tienmu, Taipei from Aug 18-26, 2012 (Live on ESPN). The USA Basketball Men's Select Team will compete against the following national teams (Japan, Philippines, Qatar, Lebanon, S. Korea, Iran, UAE, and Taiwan).

                  Starting Five

                  Kearse

                  Barnes

                  Marshall

                  Melvin

                  VanderMeer

                  Mychal Kearse (6'5''-G-83) of Akita Northern Happinets
                  Jermaine Barnes (6'5''-G/F-82) of Universal Phoenix Group LLC
                  Curtis Marshall (6'6''-G/F-83) of Lille Metropole Basket Clubs
                  Marcus Melvin (6'8''-F-82) of La Union Formosa
                  Scott VanderMeer (7'0''-C-86) of Marinos de Anzoategui

                  Josh Powell (6'9''-F-83) of Brujos de Guayama (former laker?)
                  Wayne Arnold (6'4''-G-84) of Gwinnett Majic
                  Jordan Collins (6'10''-PF-82) of Mitteldeutscher BC Weissenfels
                  Jermaine Dearman (6'8''-F/C-80) of Fukuoka Rizing
                  Gerard Anderson (6'6''-F-87) of Los Angeles D-Fenders
                  Desmond Blue (6'11''-C-88) of Universal Phoenix Group LLC
                  Brad Reese (6'6''-F-88) of SLUNETA Usti nad Labem
                  James Justice (5'10''-G-89) of GIE Morrow Disciples

                  Coaches: David Benoit , Travis McAvene, Michael Davis , Ying-Chou Chou , Kevin Franklin

                  USA Basketball also announced that serving as co-head coaches of the USA Select Team are former NBA player and coach David Benoit and Usbasket.com All-United States Coach of the Year Travis McAvene. Benoit served for three seasons as head coach in the Japan BJ League. McAvene, who was the former assistant coach at Coppin State University, left the NCAA and began coach US leagues for the last 5 seasons. McAvene has become the best in the business winning the respect of the world after receiving USA Coach of the Year voted by Usbasket.com.

                  'The USA National Team selection process was based on American players with great international experience including Asia. We wanted to focus on these types of players because of the Asian style of basketball,' said Ying-Chou Chou of UPG.

                  Members of the USA Select Team will assemble in Atlanta, GA and conduct a training session August 5, 2012. All practices will take place at Morris Brown University.
                  Last edited by Alex07; 07-30-2012, 10:12 AM.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by mangangalakal View Post
                    This will be a battle of America vs. the World. Who wins will depend on a whole lot of factors, and both sides have advantages and leverage which they can use. We might even see the NBA hijacking the FIBA leadership so they can get their way. There has to be an alignment of interests between FIBA and the NBA.

                    __________________________________________________ __________
                    RUMOR: CJ Giles to become new Lebanese naturalized player???

                    In a surprising move, and after negotiating a big number of players, Champville management signed today with american forward Darius Rice (208-F-82, college: Miami, FL) and american center C.J. Chester Giles (211-F/C-85, college: Oregon St.). Both Rice and Chester Giles played in Bahrain last year.... Rice will have his first experience in Lebanon, while CJ will be playing here for the third time after playing for Riyadi and Chabab in the previous seasons. also on the other hand, rumors are spread in the market that Chester Giles might be the new naturalized player for the Lebanese NT.

                    and:

                    US Selection to play in 2012 Jones Cup. Team looks rather weak, though.
                    good luck to lebanon to handle CJ giles.

                    the us team that will play on Jones Cup is not bad team either. they have former La Lakers Reserve Player Josh Powell.
                    Philippine Malditas to FIFA Womens World Cup 2023

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                    • #25
                      OMG they have GeraRd Anderson!!!!!!!!
                      Philippines is in National Team transition mode.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by zuma169 View Post
                        i understand the business side actually.. businessmen want more money than they have right now.. so the NBA and it's team owners want to protect their investments and earn more.. i get it and i don't have anything to say about that..

                        but it seems that because of the U-23 format they are proposing, everyone is seeing it as there will be NO NBA PLAYERS ANYMORE but in reality, the players i have mentioned are 23 yrs and under.. it doesn't really make sense.. just say no more NBA in the olympics period.. Durant is a BIG BIG investment but in reality he is eligible because he is only 23 years old if the format is implemented now.. so where is the consistency...

                        and as far as NBA rules being implemented by FIBA.. i see nothing that resembles the NBA.. yes the freethrow dimensions are like the NBA.. but the 3 point line is the PBA line and not the NBA.. and as far as fouls and rules are concerned, it is still different.. Team USA is actually adjusting right now as they have said..

                        so there..

                        such a scheme would deprive the Olympics of the Top Stars of the NBA but it gives the other teams a better chance of winning the Gold Medal in Olympic Basketball than the odds they have today.

                        So if you are the other countries, would you like to be mere spectators and just compete for the silver medal or do you want your team to have a chance to win a Gold Medal.

                        So having the NBA players just play at the FIBA Basketball World Cup would mean Team USA is not guaranteed a Gold Medal in both the Olympics and the FIBA Basketball World Cup thus giving the other teams an opportunity to succeed in the Olympic Games. Just look at Soccer Football .... with the U23 format Africans Cameroon became a world power and Japan is a strong contender unlike before its only dominated by South American and European countries.

                        So what do you think ..... would the other countries to be contented to always just compete to be 2nd best in global competitions or would they want in the biggest games at the Olympics you have a chance to win the Gold.

                        During the time the competition was not Open with the US represented by college players, the other countries were happy as they could compete. now that the US is back in its dominating ways, the other countries would like to find ways to level the playing field.
                        LABAN KUNG LABAN! KAYA NATIN PILIPINAS!
                        Mabuhay ang TEAM PILIPINAS !!!!


                        NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!
                        THE DREAM LIVES ON !!!!

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by durden_tyler View Post
                          Re: McGee, you are correct that it does not necessarily mean that he can't play for us but negotiations with owners will be quite difficult if most owners have this strict rules in place for team members who would want to play for their NT (insurance, etc)
                          Maybe McGee to Sacramento will happen in the future when MVP holds his share in sacramento.
                          Darling it's better
                          Down where it's wetter
                          Take it from me.

                          - Sebastian, The Little Mermaid

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by mangangalakal View Post
                            This will be a battle of America vs. the World. Who wins will depend on a whole lot of factors, and both sides have advantages and leverage which they can use. We might even see the NBA hijacking the FIBA leadership so they can get their way. There has to be an alignment of interests between FIBA and the NBA.

                            __________________________________________________ __________
                            RUMOR: CJ Giles to become new Lebanese naturalized player???

                            In a surprising move, and after negotiating a big number of players, Champville management signed today with american forward Darius Rice (208-F-82, college: Miami, FL) and american center C.J. Chester Giles (211-F/C-85, college: Oregon St.). Both Rice and Chester Giles played in Bahrain last year.... Rice will have his first experience in Lebanon, while CJ will be playing here for the third time after playing for Riyadi and Chabab in the previous seasons. also on the other hand, rumors are spread in the market that Chester Giles might be the new naturalized player for the Lebanese NT.

                            and:

                            US Selection to play in 2012 Jones Cup. Team looks rather weak, though.
                            Darius Rice the former purefoods import who was just good in his first few games?

                            What happened with the college teammate of douthit? I thought he was the choice for naturalized player?
                            Darling it's better
                            Down where it's wetter
                            Take it from me.

                            - Sebastian, The Little Mermaid

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by mangangalakal View Post
                              This will be a battle of America vs. the World. Who wins will depend on a whole lot of factors, and both sides have advantages and leverage which they can use. We might even see the NBA hijacking the FIBA leadership so they can get their way. There has to be an alignment of interests between FIBA and the NBA.
                              From the articles, it's actually IOC vs. NBA. FIBA and the IOC is NOT the same entity.
                              If there is no basketball in heaven, i am NOT going.

                              SMALLBALL, bitches..

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by durden_tyler View Post
                                From the articles, it's actually IOC vs. NBA. FIBA and the IOC is NOT the same entity.
                                actually the FIBA officials in Switzerland like the idea as they want the World Basketball Championship (WBC) to match or even surpass the popularity of the FIFA World Cup ..... do note they already change the name of the WBC to FIBA Basketball World Cup. By cooperating more with the NBA would mean FIBA could get a bigger part of the pie which they do not have to share with the IOC. So by having the NBA players exclusively at the FIBA Basketball World Cup would give it a bigger prestige as a tournament which is how the soccer football world look up to the FIFA World Cup.

                                At the present set-up the presence of NBA players added popularity of basketball in the Olympics but it practically alienated the rest of the field to play for Silver instead of the Gold which is practically in the bag for Team USA. Truth is the only true rival of Team USA is itself being overconfident which happened in 2002 to 2004.
                                LABAN KUNG LABAN! KAYA NATIN PILIPINAS!
                                Mabuhay ang TEAM PILIPINAS !!!!


                                NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!
                                THE DREAM LIVES ON !!!!

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