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    So now that we have the rosters pretty much established, who do you think are the best players at the tournament by position?

    PG: Arroyo, McCalebb, Spanoulis
    SG: Barea, Vasquez, Fridzon
    SF: Kirilenko, Aminu, Garcia
    PF: Kleiza, Khryapa, Printezis
    C: Horford, Valanciunas, Mozgov

    Honorable Mention: Martinez, Akingbala, Shved, Vukona, Morais, Jasikevicius, Bourousis

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    Default An alternative roster

    Even if we exclude all the players from Christodoulos76’s list we are still able to come up with a very decent team.

    PG: Shabazz Napier (1.82, 1991, Dominican Republic), Vlado Ilievsky (Macedonia)
    G: Nikos Zisis (1.96, 1983, Greece)
    SG: Larry Ayuso (1.85, 1977, Puerto Rico)
    SG/SF: Kostas Vasiliadis (2.00, 1984, Greece)
    SF: OlÝmpio Cipriano (1,92, 1982, Angola), Kostas Papanikolau (2.03, 1990, Greece)
    PF: Zaid Abbas (2.03, 1983, Jordan), Paulius Jankunas (2.05, 1984, Lituania)
    PF/C: Olumide Oyedeji (2.08, 1981, Nigeria)
    C: Daniel Santiago (2.16, 1976, Puerto Rico), Pero Antic (2.10, 1982, Macedonia)

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    Quote Originally Posted by christodoulou76 View Post
    So now that we have the rosters pretty much established, who do you think are the best players at the tournament by position?

    PG: Arroyo, McCalebb, Spanoulis
    SG: Barea, Vasquez, Fridzon
    SF: Kirilenko, Aminu, Garcia
    PF: Kleiza, Khryapa, Printezis
    C: Horford, Valanciunas, Mozgov

    Honorable Mention: Martinez, Akingbala, Shved, Vukona, Morais, Jasikevicius, Bourousis
    You don't actually think that Arroyo is better than McCalebb and Spanoulis do you? Seriously?

    Aminu and Garcia? How are they even that good of players? They are not at the same level as the other players you have mentioned here.

    Valanciunas is better than Bourousis how? Vazquez better than Jasikevicius?

    Akingbala, Vukona, and Morais probably don't even make the rosters of most of the European teams in the tournament.

    Quote Originally Posted by JRS Bonnet View Post
    Even if we exclude all the players from Christodoulos76’s list we are still able to come up with a very decent team.

    PG: Shabazz Napier (1.82, 1991, Dominican Republic), Vlado Ilievsky (Macedonia)
    G: Nikos Zisis (1.96, 1983, Greece)
    SG: Larry Ayuso (1.85, 1977, Puerto Rico)
    SG/SF: Kostas Vasiliadis (2.00, 1984, Greece)
    SF: OlÝmpio Cipriano (1,92, 1982, Angola), Kostas Papanikolau (2.03, 1990, Greece)
    PF: Zaid Abbas (2.03, 1983, Jordan), Paulius Jankunas (2.05, 1984, Lituania)
    PF/C: Olumide Oyedeji (2.08, 1981, Nigeria)
    C: Daniel Santiago (2.16, 1976, Puerto Rico), Pero Antic (2.10, 1982, Macedonia)
    These players in bold are not that good. Also, Santiago is well past his prime.

    I don't see how any of those in bold or Santiago are among the best payers in the tournament.

    Papanikolaou still isn't proven at the senior national team level yet, but he certainly looks good recently.

    Antic, Zisis, Abbas, Ilievsky, Vasileiadis, Jankunas are proven players and still producing. But Ilievsky isn't what he used to be, and Jankunas is nothing special.

    Antic, Abbas, Zisis, Vasileiadis stand out to me from that list, along with Papanikolaou, if he can continue his recent level of play.
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    Oyedeji is a very good rebounder and plays hard, but he has no post moves and would miss layups, many times he simply flops on offense trying to get calls. Still an effective player and a good leader.
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    Default Penitence and justification

    Responding to “Olympiacos” criticism:

    I guess I was showing my age by selecting Larry Ayuso, Daniel Santiago and Vlado Ilievski, players on the downside of brilliant careers. However, I still stand by my decision to include OlÝmpio Cipriano on the list. I hope he proves me right by helping Angola to surprisingly qualify for London, an achievement almost as great as CDR Libolo (Cipriano’s team) Angolan title.
    Shabazz Napier could turn out to be the best player on that roster… or a huge flop (his sophomore season was inconclusive).
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    Quote Originally Posted by JRS Bonnet View Post
    Responding to “Olympiacos” critics:

    I guess I was showing my age by selecting Larry Ayuso, Daniel Santiago and Vlado Ilievski, players on the downside of brilliant careers. However, I still stand by my decision to include OlÝmpio Cipriano on the list. I hope he proves me right by helping Angola to surprisingly qualify for London, an achievement almost as great as CDR Libolo (Cipriano’s team) Angolan title.
    Shabazz Napier could turn out to be the best player on that roster… or a huge flop (his sophomore season was inconclusive).
    OK, I know what you mean about the players that got old. Cipriano is indeed a good player, it's just that he is inconsistent and injury prone. To me he isn't reliable. He seems very good one summer, then average in the next summer, due to injury issues.

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    top Qalifying tournament players: Stojanovski ,McCalebb ,Antic ,Samardziski.

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    There should be some room for Jordan's NT Leader/Captain (Sam Daghles) ... best Point Guard in Asia & CBA in the past couple of years. ;-)

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    I'll include 5 players on each position 'cause there are a lot of solid players here:
    PG: Bo McCalebb (Macedonia), Greivis Vasquez (Venezuela), J.J. Barea (Puerto Rico), Edgar Sosa (Dominicana; if he will play), Mantas Kalnietis (Lithuania)
    SG: Vassilis Spanoulis (Greece), Vitali Fridzon (Russia), Alexei Shved (Russia), Rimantas Kaukenas (Lithuania), Kostas Vasileiades (Greece)
    SF: Andrei Kirilenko (Russia), Jonas Maciulis (Lithuania), Eulis Baez (Dominicana), Oscar Torres (Venezuela; I know he is 37 y.o. but the memories of him playing in Khimki are so sweet), Segei Monya (Russia)
    PF: Viktor Khryapa (Russia), Linas Kleiza (Lithuania), Georgios Printezis (Greece), Pero Antic (Macedonia), Nathan Peavy (Puerto Rico; is he on the roster?)
    C: Al Horford (Dominicana), Jonas Valanciunas (Lithuania), Timofei Mozgov (Russia), Ioannis Bourousis (Greece), Josh Asselin (Dominicana)

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    Well after Puerto Rico's games against Dominican Republic and Mecedonia (twice) I think it is pretty safe to say that Bo McCalebb is not in the level of Barea and Arroyo considering that even Filiberto Rivera, who is already cut from the PR squad, outplayed him at times. Another thing is that both PJ Ramos and Daniel Santiago are better than Josh Asselin who pretty much seemed like a useless player for Dominican Republic.

    At the PF position Nathan Peavy and JM Martinez should be included at the top players, maybe at the top 5 PF.

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    It's tough to decide...

    I 'll make a try to pick the 3 best in every position:

    PG: Vasquez, Barea, McKalebb
    SG: Spanoulis, Shved, Kaoukenas
    SF: Kirilenko, Kleiza, Aminu
    PF: Printezis, Diogu, khryapa
    C: Horford, Valanciunas, Mozgov

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRS Bonnet View Post
    Even if we exclude all the players from Christodoulos76ĺs list we are still able to come up with a very decent team.

    PG: Shabazz Napier (1.82, 1991, Dominican Republic)
    Surprised no one called you out on this. Napier is puerto rican.

    I suppose you might have meant Edgar Sosa or confused the countries?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TDW View Post
    Well after Puerto Rico's games against Dominican Republic and Mecedonia (twice) I think it is pretty safe to say that Bo McCalebb is not in the level of Barea and Arroyo considering that even Filiberto Rivera, who is already cut from the PR squad, outplayed him at times. Another thing is that both PJ Ramos and Daniel Santiago are better than Josh Asselin who pretty much seemed like a useless player for Dominican Republic.

    At the PF position Nathan Peavy and JM Martinez should be included at the top players, maybe at the top 5 PF.
    Quote Originally Posted by TDW View Post
    Well after Puerto Rico's games against Dominican Republic and Mecedonia (twice) I think it is pretty safe to say that Bo McCalebb is not in the level of Barea and Arroyo considering that even Filiberto Rivera, who is already cut from the PR squad, outplayed him at times. Another thing is that both PJ Ramos and Daniel Santiago are better than Josh Asselin who pretty much seemed like a useless player for Dominican Republic.

    At the PF position Nathan Peavy and JM Martinez should be included at the top players, maybe at the top 5 PF.
    Too early to make that statement, not to mention Barea and McCaleb both sucked offensively. What games where you watching? Bo had 28 points combined and Barea scored 24.

    Barea had 17 assists and Bo 15 assists.

    So they are practically equal, just like I said last year when I watched Bo against the europeans: "Damn when did Barea request the macedonian nationality?"


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    Quote Originally Posted by saalsapr View Post
    Too early to make that statement, not to mention Barea and McCaleb both sucked offensively. What games where you watching? Bo had 28 points combined and Barea scored 24.

    Barea had 17 assists and Bo 15 assists.

    So they are practically equal, just like I said last year when I watched Bo against the europeans: "Damn when did Barea request the macedonian nationality?"


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    The best five:
    1.Bo MaCcaleb(FYROM)
    2.Vasilis Spanoulis(Greece)
    3.Andrei Kirilenko(Russia)
    4.Linas Kleiza(Lithuania)
    5.Giannis Bourousis(Greece)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TDW View Post
    Well after Puerto Rico's games against Dominican Republic and Mecedonia (twice) I think it is pretty safe to say that Bo McCalebb is not in the level of Barea and Arroyo considering that even Filiberto Rivera, who is already cut from the PR squad, outplayed him at times. Another thing is that both PJ Ramos and Daniel Santiago are better than Josh Asselin who pretty much seemed like a useless player for Dominican Republic.

    At the PF position Nathan Peavy and JM Martinez should be included at the top players, maybe at the top 5 PF.
    I might agree that Barea is better than McCalebb, but not Arroyo. McCalebb is better than Arroyo. Martinez is really underrated. I agree on him.

    Quote Originally Posted by sixama23 View Post
    It's tough to decide...

    I 'll make a try to pick the 3 best in every position:

    PG: Vasquez, Barea, McKalebb
    SG: Spanoulis, Shved, Kaoukenas
    SF: Kirilenko, Kleiza, Aminu
    PF: Printezis, Diogu, khryapa
    C: Horford, Valanciunas, Mozgov
    Is Vazquez even as good as Zisis? I don't really think so.

    You are overrating Diogu and Aminu also. And Shved, it's hard to say. He certainly has the talent, but then again, he is a brainless player. I honestly don't think he's even the best Russian SG, as Fridzon is better than him.

    Klieza is about half as good now as he was in the days when he played with Olympiacos.

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    I do still believe that Arroyo is the best PG around. Barea is not even a PG. McCalleb had trouble against both puertorican PG's and he didnt even faced Arroyo.


    Carlos Arroyo (PUR) - Bo McCalleb (MKD)
    Vassilis Spanoulis (GRE) - Greivis Vasques (VEN) - JJ Barea (PUR)
    Andrei Kirilenko (RUS) - Francisco Garcia (DR)
    Jack Michael Martinez (DR) - Ike Diogu (NIG) - Linas Kleiza (LIT)
    Al Horford (DR) - Timofey Mozgov (RUS)

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    pls count zaid abbas and osama daghles of jordan

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    Quote Originally Posted by -K2- View Post
    I do still believe that Arroyo is the best PG around. Barea is not even a PG. McCalleb had trouble against both puertorican PG's and he didnt even faced Arroyo.


    Carlos Arroyo (PUR) - Bo McCalleb (MKD)
    Vassilis Spanoulis (GRE) - Greivis Vasques (VEN) - JJ Barea (PUR)
    Andrei Kirilenko (RUS) - Francisco Garcia (DR)
    Jack Michael Martinez (DR) - Ike Diogu (NIG) - Linas Kleiza (LIT)
    Al Horford (DR) - Timofey Mozgov (RUS)
    Im between the lines about who is a better pg between them.

    On one hand Barea shows more in the stats, as he had more assists and less turnovers than Arroyo back in Mar De Plata, but on the court the team seems to play better with Arroyo on the court. That could be because Arroyo is/was a better shooter than Barea, and almost shot 50% from the three point line in Fiba Americas 2011.

    I would put it like this

    Barea pg
    Arroyo sg

    Because when he wants to, Barea can be right now a better pg than Arroyo by creating space for the shooters with his drives. Carlos is getting slower, and his flashy passes are getting more uncommon to see.

    That being said

    Andres Rodriguez>>>>>>>>A&B as a pure pg. His stats in last years Fiba Americas and the past centrobasket speak for themselves.
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