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    This U.S American calvinistic avaricious business attitude really starts to become annoying. First your Wallstreet gangster push the whole world-economy in one of the biggest crisis ever seen on the planet for the 4rd year in a row.
    And now your Mc-"Marc Cuban"s want to destroy all sorts of international basketball competitions because they think they own their players like slaves.

    I do not care if the US or rather the NBA wants to isolate from the rest of the world. If you like you can send 6 years old kids to the competitions I do not care. But if foreign players in the NBA are not allowed to play with their national teams, this really becomes a probem which should not be tolerated.

    Stern says that basketball should implement a similiar system like soccer.
    A four year cycle with an offset of two years between worldchampionship and continentalchampionship which implies that professional players will not be sent to the Olympic basketball tournament anymore.
    However the Sterns and the Cubans should bear in mind that the soccer system has a qualification procedure where games are schedulde during the regular season. How would club owners like a scenario where the whole NBA system stops every now and than for a whole week because the players have to prepare for and to play in a qualification game with the national team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fasoulaki View Post
    However the Sterns and the Cubans should bear in mind that the soccer system has a qualification procedure where games are schedulde during the regular season. How would club owners like a scenario where the whole NBA system stops every now and than for a whole week because the players have to prepare for and to play in a qualification game with the national team.
    I think it is pretty obvious that Cuban is in his own world on this. The comment about just having the world championship be owned by the NBA is absurd. And he actually implied that they would pay the players, as if the NBA is going to do that, when they just had an owner lockout, because the owners are already mad from losing so much money.

    Not to mention that he seems to imply that just NBA players would make a "world championship", or that anything owned by a club league would equal to a national team competition.

    And yes, if they took the football (soccer) schedule, then Cuban, who claims to be "happy" if they do this, will then be the first one to be irate with his complaints that some players on the Mavs got called by USA Basketball, or whatever country's federation, to play in their qualification games during scheduled times of the NBA season.

    He probably does not even watch or follow European football, and he probably has no clue as to how it even works. The comment about the NBA owning it with NBA players is pretty revealing. Because if they did take the football model, then you would have young teams and B teams playing all the time too.

    Because that is how it works in football. You have a much bigger field of national team players that you rotate in and out. USA could never take on this schedule and then try to limit it to simply NBA players. It could not work logistically. So you would have to have NCAA players in there too, and how is the NBA going to pay them when the NCAA rules forbid it. Or does Cuban really think that the NBA is going to provide a list of players with enough names to make 3-4 teams worth of 12 players and let them rotate out to play during the NBA season.

    It's funny to have the guy commenting like that, when he clearly knows nothing about what he is saying. I would be absolutely shocked if the NBA owners ever agreed to let their players be called during the NBA season, which would be necessary if they did adopt the football schedule. And the idea of the NBA paying the players to compete is hilarious.

    Sure, they are going to pay for a national team like Lithuania or Greece to play, when they have 10-12 players in these big tournaments that don't even play in the NBA. And does he really think that a tournament with just NBA players would ever be considered as legit anywhere in the world outside of the USA/Canada?

    Stern on the other hand, with this limiting to under 23, if he means to limit all nations to that and force them to do so simply because the NBA wants it like that, well then he is out of his mind with ego. I can't see any way that the other federations will ever agree to that, no matter what Stern wants or even if FIBA does what he wants. The international federations are not going to go for that and they should not do so.
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    US media is already starting to push for eliminating players over 23 from all countries....

    Why does the USA think it has the right to decide this for all the countries?

    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ey...-to-23andunder

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympiacos View Post
    US media is already starting to push for eliminating players over 23 from all countries....

    Why does the USA think it has the right to decide this for all the countries?

    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ey...-to-23andunder
    This article is titled "why the United States should go to 23 and under" not "why the Olympics should become a 23 and under competition". Unless I missed something, the article makes numerous claims that imply only the USA moving to an under 23 team. Am I missing something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorCal View Post
    This article is titled "why the United States should go to 23 and under" not "why the Olympics should become a 23 and under competition". Unless I missed something, the article makes numerous claims that imply only the USA moving to an under 23 team. Am I missing something?
    The article implied that the whole world, as in all professional players in the world that are over 23 should be banned from international competitions after the 2012 Olympics. If the NBA really pushes this and FIBA agrees to it, then it's time to remove FIBA as the power that controls international basketball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympiacos View Post
    The article implied that the whole world, as in all professional players in the world that are over 23 should be banned from international competitions after the 2012 Olympics. If the NBA really pushes this and FIBA agrees to it, then it's time to remove FIBA as the power that controls international basketball.
    I agree with Norcal on this the author is only speaking of the US being U23. You can tell with these quotes.

    Because it serves as a reminder: there's no point in putting together any more "Dream Teams." You want the biggest reason to support an under-23 structure? Forget the players' exhaustion. They get paid the rest of the year and get to market themselves while representing their country. It's a burden, but it's both an honorable and profitable one. Forget evening the competition. The U.S. has no obligation to make it easy on the world.

    (Though there is a reason to embrace the under-23 stipulation. This is a country where we cherish the challenge. Form your own nation. Free yourself from British rule. Build an economy. Build a military. Defeat the Axis powers. Fly to the moon. Make a movie about a board game. We are made to challenge ourselves.)
    He's saying that while we shouldn't go to U23 to make it easier on the world, Americans would probably enjoy it more as we could be underdogs again. Meaning the rest of the world would still be full strength.
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    Here's an interesting read on what a hypothetical Team USA U-23 team will look like if sent one to the London Olympics.

    What would Team USA under-23 Olympic team look like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CKR13 View Post
    Here's an interesting read on what a hypothetical Team USA U-23 team will look like if sent one to the London Olympics.

    What would Team USA under-23 Olympic team look like?
    Now this article definitely implies the entire thing being U23.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dtown View Post
    I agree with Norcal on this the author is only speaking of the US being U23. You can tell with these quotes.



    He's saying that while we shouldn't go to U23 to make it easier on the world, Americans would probably enjoy it more as we could be underdogs again. Meaning the rest of the world would still be full strength.
    You are both interpreting it wrong. They are talking about ALL players for ALL teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympiacos View Post
    You are both interpreting it wrong. They are talking about ALL players for ALL teams.
    Read the article again and quote which sentences or paragraphs you are interpreting the writer as saying all teams should send under 23 players. I don't see the evidence and you haven't quoted anything from the article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorCal View Post
    Read the article again and quote which sentences or paragraphs you are interpreting the writer as saying all teams should send under 23 players. I don't see the evidence and you haven't quoted anything from the article.
    It's just the way the whole article is written. The tone to me is clearly implying making the international tournaments 23 and under, not just for the USA, but everyone. I am reading between the lines maybe, but nonetheless, that is the idea that they are pushing. That is what they are implying.

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    First of all, you have your rules wrong, the NBA does not have an arrow, they have a jump ball. So no, FIBA did not take their arrow thing from the NBA.

    Second of all I think it is pretty clear what Stern is asking for is U23 Olympics and all players can play in FIBA World Championship, just like soccer. What is wrong with this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jiggawhat View Post
    First of all, you have your rules wrong, the NBA does not have an arrow, they have a jump ball. So no, FIBA did not take their arrow thing from the NBA.

    Second of all I think it is pretty clear what Stern is asking for is U23 Olympics and all players can play in FIBA World Championship, just like soccer. What is wrong with this?
    What is wrong with it, is that the NBA commissioner should not be the one who decides these matters. I am sorry, but Stern's stranglehold on the sport of basketball has gotten totally ridiculous.

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    Where does it say he is deciding this? He suggested it that is all

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    Stern was interviewed before Game 3 and from what I saw, didn't seem like he is all out for the U23 notion. He only said it's a possibility that should be discussed, while giving credit to guys like Dirk and Scola for their commitment for their NTs.
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    US sports media at it again, pushing for whatever Stern and Cuban want.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--nb...LhDirbU0K8vLYF

    For the use of its most marketable players, the league office and many NBA owners are determined to create a financial partnership with FIBA for a World Cup that would allow the NBA to significantly share in the windfall of revenues.

    "The owners would be a lot more comfortable letting star players play internationally if they’re sharing in the revenue," one league source told Yahoo! Sports.

    Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban told Yahoo! Sports he isn’t aware of the NBA’s specific intentions in possibly moving its star players to the rebranded World Cup, but says he has lobbied for much more complete control of the tournament. He sees no reason to partner with FIBA or anyone else. He wants the NBA to own, operate and profit on a global tournament using the league’s stars.

    "The question is: Why would we partner with a current tournament rather than start our own?" Cuban said. "If done correctly, it can be NBA-owned and operated and have the potential to be just as large as the World Cup of soccer. That is a product, in my opinion, we want to own, not share.

    “I don’t know what the NBA plan is, but the above is what I will be pushing for."




    This is ridiculous. This has to be stopped now. This is going too far. Where does he come off thinking the NBA should own the world basketball tournament? This guy is insane with greed and ego. Cuban is just unbelievable with his arrogance that he thinks an NBA owner should decide how the world basketball tournaments are run and who controls them.

    The international federations better put these guys Stern and Cuban in their place, before they buy off the people at FIBA. I bet the next article from US sports media will be how Stern and Cuban are instituting all NBA rules for the tournaments, which can only be reffed from then on by NBA refs, and that the games can only be played in the USA, and that only NBA players are invited, etc.........
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    For those of you who don't know who mark cuban is you are not missing much. He is a chubby , egomaniac who is trying to destroy Fiba all in the devilish name of profit!! what else is new about a greedy american businessman destroying a well run business so he can cash in. Remember the guy who prohibited Dirk Nowitzki from playing for Germany , thats him , or the guy who doesn't want bouboise or mahimi to play for france. Thats him again ! or how about the guy who is whispering in David Sterns ears to only allow players 23 and younger to play in the Olympics or who want's to deny International players their God giving right to play for their nations ,all in favor of Globalization. Thats him again!!! Now he want's a world cup run by the NBA were the owner like him profit. We already have the world championships. Why do we need a world cup to fill your pockets ?This man is a creep the NBA does not need and most important Fiba does not need him either ! It is up to us Fiba basketball fans to stand up and speak up . We dont want mark cuban in our sport. go buy the chicago cubs and screw around with baseball and leave basketball alone. People like mark cuban are the reason international players are reconsidering joining the NBA. making them make the sophie's choice of club or Country. This man has made it his mission to destroy Fiba and international basketball . Lets stop him now before its to late!!

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    While I agree that its probably unfair if the NBA controls world basketball tournaments, it's silly to pretend that Europe doesn't have greedy owners either. If a European club or league had the market power to do this then they would go after the $ as well. People everywhere are interested in money, not just Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jiggawhat View Post
    While I agree that its probably unfair if the NBA controls world basketball tournaments, it's silly to pretend that Europe doesn't have greedy owners either. If a European club or league had the market power to do this then they would go after the $ as well. People everywhere are interested in money, not just Americans.
    No-one is blaming Americans. Apparently Cuban is American, that's all. Any other greedy owners would be criticised as well. You totally miss the point and you put Americanism in the mix just because you're American. You should see things in a different light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jiggawhat View Post
    it's silly to pretend that Europe doesn't have greedy owners either. If a European club or league had the market power to do this then they would go after the $ as well.
    At least the two top clubs in Greece Olympiakos and Panathinaikos are far from profitable. The owners of these two clubs are spending the money they earn from their real-life buissnes in their hobby basketball. So instead of buying a cruising yacht, they buy basketball players.

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