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  • #16
    Susbstence testoron


    This has nothing to do with Spain you have your radar on Macedonia.

    Aint even unormal to have littel bit more testeron in he body than useal.

    One can have that by many reasons. The LTU articel is very missleading and the whole europe media today say we used doping. Everyone.

    Yes this media cause us big damage, our reputation.

    When you show littel bit more testoron than useal you make one more test just to cheak if everything is OK. It happens so often is is very usual.

    They made this cheak and everything is normal. The body it self produced littel bit more than useal.

    This media had all fact needed but still choosed to wright a very missleading articel.

    Seeems like your media are looking for everything and i mean everything that can help you host the pree olympics.

    You can proove to us that I am wrong by withdrow from the bid. And support us

    Just for the notice this aint the first false articel in LTU media recently
    Originally posted by Ciscorlie Horford
    Macedonia (I refuse to call it FYROM, Article 19, Human Rights)

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    • #17
      Macedonians!

      Won 1 game and sit calm in your places, celebrate one time victory per history.

      Lithuania is respected basketball country and our team is respected too always. We are one of the few who didn't naturalized any foreigners and won many titles.

      [edited - Levenspiel]
      Last edited by Levenspiel; 11-08-2011, 09:50 PM.

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      • #18
        Everytime Robimkd posts there's a conspiracy against Macedonia, God kills a poor kitty.
        FIRE THE NEXT ONE!!!
        EŭroKorbo, the useless basketball blog in esperanto.

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        • #19
          Two players have been found positive in doping tests during Eurobasket 2011 according to Lithuanian anti-doping agency.
          ????

          Actually, no-one wrote or said that... And "above the norm" does not mean that doping was used by these players.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Gonzaka View Post
            Everytime Robimkd posts there's a conspiracy against Macedonia, God kills a poor kitty.
            [...]

            There are reasons when I speak.

            We live in two deferant world me and you. You never need to experiance injustice. Thats why you can never understand.

            Whats you call conspiracy is reality for someone else.

            LTU and the GR will push it very hard all the way.

            Lets just play with the head, as exampel, you think it is totally impossible lets say Greeks pay 1 milion euro under the table Macedonia not to host it ?.

            You think this things do not exist in this clean lovely world ?. I guess America whent to Iraq just to help the poeple (witch they murder everyday) Oil has nothing to do with it i guess in your world.

            Call it conspiracy I do not care. Money rules this world and we do not have any. We a small nation totaly unimportant to the big sponsors. Maybe you think hat sponsors never has to do with the out come with basketball matches ?.
            Last edited by rikhardur; 11-08-2011, 11:38 PM.
            Originally posted by Ciscorlie Horford
            Macedonia (I refuse to call it FYROM, Article 19, Human Rights)

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            • #21
              FIBA denied this claim, but -as Robbe put it- the wording is a bit weird.

              I'm no law man, but if movies are right, "unless proven otherwise, everybody is innocent". I think we can stick to that principle until the findings are definite. Moreover, recent memories tell us that the fully accredited labs may make mistakes as well (Taurasi case in Turkey, for example).

              I think (and I hope) some parties will investigate the matter further, then we'll see if there's anything to it.

              Please do not expand the issue to conspiracy theories or world politics.
              5 out 6 scientists say Russian roulette is safe.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Robimkd View Post
                Money rules this world and we do not have any. We a small nation totaly unimportant to the big sponsors. Maybe you think hat sponsors never has to do with the out come with basketball matches ?.
                Robin mate, I've reached the conclusion that what you write heavily depends on the amount and quality of alcohol consumed on a daily basis. Please switch to what you've been drinking 1 month ago.

                And now some facts:
                1) FYROM bid is sponsored by the state, while LTU bid is sponsored by private sponsors. At least in this case, FYROM has more money to spare than LTU.

                2) Lobbying against (or for) any of the candidacies will take place. And that's a natural part of the bidding process. But nobody has any money to spare.

                Other than that, I was right not to comment initially on the "dopping" article. Random rumours are not to be taken seriously...

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Robimkd View Post
                  ...
                  Hey, stop. What are you telling me? Are you really comparing the wars in the world with a basketball tournament?

                  I don't think this is a complot against Macedonia (and Spain), you do. If there aren't official fonts about who was dopped, there's nothing to claim.
                  FIRE THE NEXT ONE!!!
                  EŭroKorbo, the useless basketball blog in esperanto.

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                  • #24
                    Leave this kid alone, just ignore him, he lives in his own reallity.

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                    • #25
                      I think we are getting off subject here. Which is who those two players are.

                      To be honest, I am surprised that there is such a case in Spain team. Usually people become or are ibne exactly due to lack of testosterone, not abundant amount of it.

                      For Makedonija I have an explanation. After such great games and wins, it is natural they had more testosterone. Is like me having sex with Berrak Tuzunatac.
                      How does this thing work anyway?

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                      • #26
                        Ye man, remember that we beat Greece, after all, that is a weet dream.

                        This is all logic to me.
                        Originally posted by Ciscorlie Horford
                        Macedonia (I refuse to call it FYROM, Article 19, Human Rights)

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Kalashnikov View Post
                          Robin mate, I've reached the conclusion that what you write heavily depends on the amount and quality of alcohol consumed on a daily basis. Please switch to what you've been drinking 1 month ago.

                          And now some facts:
                          1) FYROM bid is sponsored by the state, while LTU bid is sponsored by private sponsors. At least in this case, FYROM has more money to spare than LTU.

                          2) Lobbying against (or for) any of the candidacies will take place. And that's a natural part of the bidding process. But nobody has any money to spare.

                          Other than that, I was right not to comment initially on the "dopping" article. Random rumours are not to be taken seriously...
                          After One night sleep, I give it to you I did overeact.

                          But look t it from my point of views, I want this preee olympic torney badly and my world wide trust is slim so it is not hard for me to get paraniod at times when something like last night desturbe just 4 weeek from decision taken.

                          I will get desturbed on everything that would paint us in a negative light.
                          Originally posted by Ciscorlie Horford
                          Macedonia (I refuse to call it FYROM, Article 19, Human Rights)

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                          • #28
                            One thing for sure - there were two suspicious players according to Lithuanian anti - doping direction. Lithuania send that investigations' material to FIBA EUROPE as they are final decision makers. And FIBA gave an answer - NO, there's no violation. So, that's the story. Lithuanian anti - doping did their job and that's good. Media just took "credit" from this stuff for their articles as always

                            I wouldn't try to question FIBA's authority here, however it's hard to imagine any other answer from them in this case.
                            LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                            Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                            Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                            Buzelis, Lelevicius
                            Murauskas, Sirvydis
                            Tubelis, Krivas

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by robbe
                              Is that established?

                              FIBA makes it sound as though they never received it, at least that's what I take from these lines:
                              When I read that article in lithuanian,there were absolutely no words that said anyone tested positive for using doping.The only thing they said was that two players had their results a little bit above the norm,so they'll need to send it to Fiba,which denied it anyone being tested positive for using some type of doping.
                              Lietuvos rytas - signing your Yugoslavian scrubs since forever.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by robbe
                                Is that established?

                                FIBA makes it sound as though they never received it, at least that's what I take from these lines:
                                As hustlerlt said, Lithuanian specialists never said it's a clear case of "positive", just above the norm (media off course delivered it in it's own way), so they had to sent that stuff to FIBA for their own analysis. So maybe that explains these lines of FIBA, but they could surely make more particular and clearer message
                                LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                                Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                                Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                                Buzelis, Lelevicius
                                Murauskas, Sirvydis
                                Tubelis, Krivas

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