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    FIBA denied this claim, but -as Robbe put it- the wording is a bit weird.

    I'm no law man, but if movies are right, "unless proven otherwise, everybody is innocent". I think we can stick to that principle until the findings are definite. Moreover, recent memories tell us that the fully accredited labs may make mistakes as well (Taurasi case in Turkey, for example).

    I think (and I hope) some parties will investigate the matter further, then we'll see if there's anything to it.

    Please do not expand the issue to conspiracy theories or world politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robimkd View Post
    Money rules this world and we do not have any. We a small nation totaly unimportant to the big sponsors. Maybe you think hat sponsors never has to do with the out come with basketball matches ?.
    Robin mate, I've reached the conclusion that what you write heavily depends on the amount and quality of alcohol consumed on a daily basis. Please switch to what you've been drinking 1 month ago.

    And now some facts:
    1) FYROM bid is sponsored by the state, while LTU bid is sponsored by private sponsors. At least in this case, FYROM has more money to spare than LTU.

    2) Lobbying against (or for) any of the candidacies will take place. And that's a natural part of the bidding process. But nobody has any money to spare.

    Other than that, I was right not to comment initially on the "dopping" article. Random rumours are not to be taken seriously...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robimkd View Post
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    Hey, stop. What are you telling me? Are you really comparing the wars in the world with a basketball tournament?

    I don't think this is a complot against Macedonia (and Spain), you do. If there aren't official fonts about who was dopped, there's nothing to claim.
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    Leave this kid alone, just ignore him, he lives in his own reallity.

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    I think we are getting off subject here. Which is who those two players are.

    To be honest, I am surprised that there is such a case in Spain team. Usually people become or are ibne exactly due to lack of testosterone, not abundant amount of it.

    For Makedonija I have an explanation. After such great games and wins, it is natural they had more testosterone. Is like me having sex with Berrak Tuzunatac.

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    Ye man, remember that we beat Greece, after all, that is a weet dream.

    This is all logic to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalashnikov View Post
    Robin mate, I've reached the conclusion that what you write heavily depends on the amount and quality of alcohol consumed on a daily basis. Please switch to what you've been drinking 1 month ago.

    And now some facts:
    1) FYROM bid is sponsored by the state, while LTU bid is sponsored by private sponsors. At least in this case, FYROM has more money to spare than LTU.

    2) Lobbying against (or for) any of the candidacies will take place. And that's a natural part of the bidding process. But nobody has any money to spare.

    Other than that, I was right not to comment initially on the "dopping" article. Random rumours are not to be taken seriously...
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    But look t it from my point of views, I want this preee olympic torney badly and my world wide trust is slim so it is not hard for me to get paraniod at times when something like last night desturbe just 4 weeek from decision taken.

    I will get desturbed on everything that would paint us in a negative light.
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    One thing for sure - there were two suspicious players according to Lithuanian anti - doping direction. Lithuania send that investigations' material to FIBA EUROPE as they are final decision makers. And FIBA gave an answer - NO, there's no violation. So, that's the story. Lithuanian anti - doping did their job and that's good. Media just took "credit" from this stuff for their articles as always

    I wouldn't try to question FIBA's authority here, however it's hard to imagine any other answer from them in this case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robbe View Post
    Is that established?

    FIBA makes it sound as though they never received it, at least that's what I take from these lines:
    When I read that article in lithuanian,there were absolutely no words that said anyone tested positive for using doping.The only thing they said was that two players had their results a little bit above the norm,so they'll need to send it to Fiba,which denied it anyone being tested positive for using some type of doping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robbe View Post
    Is that established?

    FIBA makes it sound as though they never received it, at least that's what I take from these lines:
    As hustlerlt said, Lithuanian specialists never said it's a clear case of "positive", just above the norm (media off course delivered it in it's own way), so they had to sent that stuff to FIBA for their own analysis. So maybe that explains these lines of FIBA, but they could surely make more particular and clearer message
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    Quote Originally Posted by pohani komarac View Post
    they create rule that Spain is alowed to have 2 doped players per competition
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    If I may give my 2 cents, I think I remember Bourousis from Greece being suspected of using some illegal products after his phone was tapped. What happen to him? Pratically nothing if I'm not mistaken. I'm nobody and I know nothing about what really happens but I strongly believe that most of the guys who play use products which enhance their performances, the quality and legality of these products can always be discuted. However, as I believe all of them do the same, this is a fair game and in the end, the best teams won their games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robimkd View Post
    Ye man, remember that we beat Greece, after all, that is a weet dream.
    This is all logic to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzaka View Post
    Everytime Robimkd posts there's a conspiracy against Macedonia, God kills a poor kitty.
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    P.s. I see some people being afraid of Lithuania.

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