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    Quote Originally Posted by Deschain View Post
    Batum can only dunk and shoot an open three. Features which are very valuable in NBA Live 2001.

    I mean, they are easily resolved against an organized opponent because they are tactically and mentally inferior to that opponent. They can only stay that level as long as they can play their basketball.


    Why are the coaches like Pesic, Messina, Obradovic, Ivkovic, Pianigiani, Repesa, Blatt, Kazlauskas, Gershon or even Scariolo regarded highly in Europe? What's the meaning of coaching if basketball means to dunk after a pass?

    If I wanted to see dunks and ballhandling moves, I'd go and watch streetball, where there's no spark of intelligence.

    Basketball is a team sport. What's the meaning of having useless peons to wait in the offence when they all could have a role in the offense?
    In football Brazil and Germany are both have legendary histories. They also play very different styles. Brazilians are known for their creative plays and fancy dribbling/foot work. Germans are more known for their system of play. Both are respected. I believe your view of "proper" basketball is very narrow. You claim one style of basketball is "intelligence" while over simplifying another style of play. Your view of Basketball is to narrow. The world of basketball is larger than your view. Remember this is an "international" competition so there will be different styles of play.

    1. First you are over simplifying the French team. You show a weak understanding of game philosophy, strategy and match-up tactics. Rule 1 is play to your personal strength and your opponents weakness.

    2. If the French were so easy to deal with by so called superior "tactical" opponents it would have happened. France has only lost 1 game. Looking at the French numbers you see they have + ratings in all the important stats on both defense and offense. They play good basketball.

    3.Ball handling is a fundamental part of basketball. From killer crossovers to Euro-step. Protecting the ball is fundamental. If you don't respect ball handling skills then you can not appreciate basketball. Dunking is scoring if its there take it. Criticizing a team for having superior ball handling skills is kind of silly.

    You have no respect for basketball....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raze Lupin View Post
    In football Brazil and Germany are both have legendary histories. They also play very different styles. Brazilians are known for their creative plays and fancy dribbling/foot work. Germans are more known for their system of play. Both are respected. I believe your view of "proper" basketball is very narrow. You claim one style of basketball is "intelligence" while over simplifying another style of play. Your view of Basketball is to narrow. The world of basketball is larger than your view. Remember this is an "international" competition so there will be different styles of play.

    1. First you are over simplifying the French team. You show a weak understanding of game philosophy, strategy and match-up tactics. Rule 1 is play to your personal strength and your opponents weakness.

    2. If the French were so easy to deal with by so called superior "tactical" opponents it would have happened. France has only lost 1 game. Looking at the French numbers you see they have + ratings in all the important stats on both defense and offense. They play good basketball.

    3.Ball handling is a fundamental part of basketball. From killer crossovers to Euro-step. Protecting the ball is fundamental. If you don't respect ball handling skills then you can not appreciate basketball. Dunking is scoring if its there take it. Criticizing a team for having superior ball handling skills is kind of silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adon View Post
    I wouldn't count the previous game against Spain too much for my analysis, for obvious reasons. I will insist that a good % of long range shoots (not only 3pointers) is the key to win this game.
    Well, I completely agree. the 5-6 and more meters jumpers are key to France sucess.

    I do not think you have to throw to trash everything we saw in the previous Spain vs France game, especially concerning what it shows in terms of match-ups.

    In the previous game, I still don't think anybody entered the court thinking he would play to loose. I really think the Gasols were playing seriously, and we saw in the following games they are not so high. Pau is not anymore scoring with 80%+ accuracy. Which is what makes him unstoppable.
    They did not defend so well on both Traor and Sraphin. So, i do think these guys can provide good minutes if needed. And may be as useful as Noah in such a context, because France will need to be able to provoke fouls if they can, especially from Marc and Pau. Then, I guess they can deal with Ibaka or Reyes decently.
    For sure, if Pau recovers his confidence... It'll be tough.
    On the outsides, France have very good one on one defenders. They will probably hold on for a few minutes Navarro. But the whole game? this guy can be very cold, it happened before, but, not so often. And in this team, there are other guys that can take the relay if he is cold. If I was coaching Spain, I'd try to get some actions going early on for Rudy. He can be at Navarro's level, he has been a few years ago before going to Portland. he is not a 3, he is a pure 2. Because they might need him.
    On France side, let's first talk Batum: He has been good so far. He made the open 3s(that is the most important, the contested ones... This team should not take one!), made midranges shots, from high post coming out of screens, and has been efficient rebounding, penetrating, etc... Well, he might be limited, but what he does, he does well. Gelabale may play. He brings the same kind of stuff Batum brings. He simply did not get the chance to show it in the NBA. But was respected in Real when he was still very young. De Colo, I hope he continues the same way he is playing recently. He brings his experience of ACB/EL game, and his natural talent to score. he learnt how to organize a team in Europe. He manages to play with Parker now, and both having close profiles, they can be very dangerous if able to share the ball correctly. They have been in these last games. Maybe Llull is a better match up against him than Navarro, for Spain.
    Parker is playing freely, without any injury. He's just doing what he knows to do. His match-up with Calderon is interesting, but I don't think it is key to this game, since Calderon is excellent to print rythm, but the Spanish team plays too much on their troika, and will not limit Parker enough.

    So, the keys should be:
    - Outside shooting for France: It will not be a problem. Lots of players hit the 5m jump shots regularly in this team, including centers traor and Sraphin.
    - rebounding: Spain is very tall, with backcourt players taking rebounds(Rubio, San Emeterio and Sada if they play). France has shown ability to beat taller teams in rebound(Russia, Turkey), thanks to great athleticism and second time rebounds(the first guy kicks the ball out of the tall opponent, then a second one controls, it needs everybody to be aware, and slows down next possession). The one who wins this battle probably takes the game.
    - The Fire Factor: Most probably Navarro, maybe Rudy, or the whole Spanish Team. If they manage to get one of these incredible passages, there is no way you beat them if the game is close. France has been a good 3rd quarter team so far, but Spain has been stellar in these 3rd quarters, especially Navarro. If he takes fire again, he is the MVP. Else, it should be McCalebb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fedfan View Post
    in scariolo we trust.

    Allez les bleus,you can do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deschain View Post
    Basketball is most popular in US. (not the most popular sport in US) They have an established growth program and they have the 3rd most population on Earth as a country.

    How can this suggest that raw talents and basketball brains are non existant in Europe? And how can this Dunk basketball attract them to play as they should?
    Look, every body agrees that in France, for most of the deceny, we had an issue in formation of young ballers. Too much stress was put on athleticism, while not enough on offensive fundamentals. It brought excellent youth teams results, with players dominating their opponents physically, but who, for a large part of them, were not able to translate to Pro Ball.
    That's why, despite the presence of a Federal school of basketball for players from 16 to 18, playing in 3rd div by decree of the Federation, some of the new talents did not go through this formation. Batum, De Colo, Causeur(who only joined national club at 16, before he was playing for his village at department level), Beaubois went through the club formation, and maybe translated better to the Senior level.
    Yet, amongst these players, some are incredibly gifted athletically!
    Batum goes so high, that he dunks easily over a defender where a less athletical player may not be able to dunk the ball. And so what? He should just make a lay-up?
    Batum followed in France a trajectory close to Gallinari in Italy. At the same age, they were the official leaders of their teams, just before going to NBA. To reach this position, you have to be able to do more than ,just dunking or shooting open 3s. He has the fundamentals. He knows what his role is. And he does what he came here for.
    Spain also has its dunking freak. Rudy calmed down, but when he was younger in Badalona, he had his backdoor alley-oop every game. It was showtime! He was taking 3s after dribbling 12 seconds during a possession.

    Dunking is just a weapon in the game of a basketball player. Some players can't shoot the 3s, some can't dunk? Would Shaq whine and say it's unfair that RayRay makes 3s all the time?

    And actually, Europeans proved as good as Americans when it comes to dunking. Check the Slam Nation and the contests organized by Kadour Ziani.
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    Ballhandling, dunking at best, are the parts of the game. If focused on solely, that's a work of a stunt.
    e.g Teodosic, is a really ballhandler, and Rudy, as we know, is a terrific dunker. (I too remember how insane he was in Joventut, he was periodically getting called "helicopter")


    But after "showing himself" he started to display his other skills too.
    Because in the eyes of many; basketball is dunk and run. He needed to show what makes him different, and progressed accordingly after that. Then he started to rot in Portland's bench.

    I doubt the scenario would be same if Rudy and Batum were in the same team in Europe.

    Batum is a 10 ppg player for Europe. He has the skills for that, and he has the enough spark to be given that role. I'm not denying that. But yes. He dunks and shoots. Let's say, Bramos' athleticism is 75, his is 90.
    But, the open shots and easy dunks you can get is limited.
    France would still be in the final with or without Batum.
    They display a great one and one defense, i admit that.

    But, if he develops himself, adds different dimensions to his game, he too will sit on the Portland bench.
    Because what makes him himself is his athletic abilities. If he doesn't work to improve them, he'll start to loose his credibility. Which will make him a 15 ppg 4 apg europe player, but a bench warmer in NBA.

    In NBA almost every player is a good one and one defender.
    Since there is a chasm between NBA's and Europe's overall athletic ability and strength, unathletic "kings" of Europe, suffocate in the pace, simplicity and strength of the game. (Spanoulis, Navarro, Saras, Rakocevic etc. )


    Parker has started to play more efficiently in Europe since he developed his shot and passing ability.
    Otherwise he was merely a go to guy with superior ability to change to direction.

    If you want to be an NBA player with the abilities "I like", you have to be oversized or have an extra ability which many in your position does not have.

    E.g Hedo and Okur are regarded as untalented by many. Okur is (was) a precise shooter, a rebounder, a defender. He is a one time allstar. And he was only a tall guy at first. He improved his shot and clinged to NBA.
    Hedo could only shoot when he first played for Kings. He got stronger, he developed in other areas. Then he became a point forward. Which is a very extra feature for your team.

    Nowitzki for instance, he is one of the best shooters out there. But what he brings to team is unmatched.

    Kleiza, is a perfect european player. He shined in NBA from time to time, but he was condemned due to issues i mentioned. Now he plays for Raptors (a team that only exists to sell NBA internationally imo) Remember his year in Olympiakos.

    This is why we rarely see Lithuanian or Greek player in NBA when they are usually very sucessful in Europe.

    My view of basketball could be very narrow. But this is because NBA does not use players' full potential. The game does not allow that. There are great and great players out there but they are either stuck with their compulsory attempt to "show themselves" or with their linear progression mentality.

    France has many one-type players. But they are led by De Colo and Parker. Which make them an ok team for THIS tournament.
    I repeat. If everyone were in full strength or with, let's say, their heads, things would be harder for them.

    Like tomorrow.






    P.S: If we compare basketball and soccer in terms of complexity. There's really a huge difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deschain View Post
    Batum is a 10 ppg player for Europe. He has the skills for that, and he has the enough spark to be given that role. I'm not denying that. But yes. He dunks and shoots. Let's say, Bramos' athleticism is 75, his is 90.
    But, the open shots and easy dunks you can get is limited.
    France would still be in the final with or without Batum.
    They display a great one and one defense, i admit that.
    He is already 15 PPG player, not 10 (averaging 14.2 ppg). The second statement in bold really surprised me. If you said that about Albicy, Tchicamboud or Kahudi, it would be fair and realistic, but about BATUM?? You're don't like France...

    Quote Originally Posted by Deschain View Post
    But, if he develops himself, adds different dimensions to his game, he too will sit on the Portland bench.
    Because what makes him himself is his athletic abilities. If he doesn't work to improve them, he'll start to loose his credibility. Which will make him a 15 ppg 4 apg europe player, but a bench warmer in NBA.
    Man, you are just predicting things that could happen or not. What happened to Rudy has nothing to do with Batum. Physically, Batum is much more NBA ready then Rudy, despite his alley-opp dunks in Badalona or even in Portland.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deschain View Post
    In NBA almost every player is a good one and one defender.
    Since there is a chasm between NBA's and Europe's overall athletic ability and strength, unathletic "kings" of Europe, suffocate in the pace, simplicity and strength of the game. (Spanoulis, Navarro, Saras, Rakocevic etc. )
    Totally agreed. These players you've mentioned simply doesn't fit in the NBA. Simply as that. Good offensive players, mainly following the playbook (Navarro), not that good in transition and below average defenders for the NBA standards.

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    This is why we rarely see Lithuanian or Greek player in NBA when they are usually very sucessful in Europe.
    You think it's all about lack of athleticism??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deschain View Post
    Ballhandling, dunking at best, are the parts of the game. If focused on solely, that's a work of a stunt.
    e.g Teodosic, is a really ballhandler, and Rudy, as we know, is a terrific dunker. (I too remember how insane he was in Joventut, he was periodically getting called "helicopter")

    Batum is a 10 ppg player for Europe. He has the skills for that, and he has the enough spark to be given that role. I'm not denying that. But yes. He dunks and shoots. Let's say, Bramos' athleticism is 75, his is 90.
    But, the open shots and easy dunks you can get is limited.
    France would still be in the final with or without Batum.
    They display a great one and one defense, i admit that.

    In NBA almost every player is a good one and one defender.
    Since there is a chasm between NBA's and Europe's overall athletic ability and strength, unathletic "kings" of Europe, suffocate in the pace, simplicity and strength of the game.
    (Spanoulis, Navarro, Saras, Rakocevic etc. )


    Parker has started to play more efficiently in Europe since he developed his shot and passing ability.
    Otherwise he was merely a go to guy with superior ability to change to direction.


    My view of basketball could be very narrow. But this is because NBA does not use players' full potential. The game does not allow that. There are great and great players out there but they are either stuck with their compulsory attempt to "show themselves" or with their linear progression mentality.

    France has many one-type players. But they are led by De Colo and Parker. Which make them an ok team for THIS tournament.
    I repeat. If everyone were in full strength or with, let's say, their heads, things would be harder for them.


    Like tomorrow.

    P.S: If we compare basketball and soccer in terms of complexity. There's really a huge difference.
    You are projecting your distaste for the NBA "street ballers" on to the French team. We all get it you dislike the NBA. Maybe dislike athletic players or prefer a guy who can shoot/pass from anywhere BUT has no mobility. All the hate or dislike for the NBA is causing you to be blind so that you can not fairly/intelligently analyze the French team. This is not a NBA vs Euro-league discussion. This is about The French team and Eurobasket.


    Let's take a look at what your saying:

    1. yes basketball is not simply about stunts BUT what does this have to with the French team?? I have watched all of the French team games in this tourney(many of them multiple times) and there are few if any "stunt" dunks or ball handling. So you are calling them "street ballers" for no reason other than your bias view. They take what the defense gives them, sometimes that's a dunk.

    2.Again you think Batum is only a athlete. Your bias has made you blind again. He is a good ball handler. He plays smart defense. Both 1-1 and team. He is good at 2pt, lay up, dunk, jump shooting, 3pt. He is progressively getting better each game. is last game against Greece was efficient. Batum has showed more maturity than Teo this EC and he is only 22...

    3. Here you go with the NBA again... I believe you are ignorant of American basketball development. USA players learn from a young age to play one on one defense. It is the first skill developed on defense. Some children leagues do not allow zone. Later zone is introduced. Popular belief here is that teaching young children zone first will hurt their ability and growth. So it is not "simply" about athleticism its about skill set. American kids grow up knowing how to stop a faster or stronger opponent 1 on 1 based on greater skills. A slower guy can stop/slow down a faster guy by taking away angles, drawing fouls etc.. This is intelligent and skillful not just athletic... This has nothing to do with NBA. Here in USA players have to be able to play excellent zone and 1 on 1 defense. Europe does not put such strong emphasis on defense. That is the BIG difference. It's not just about athletes its about defensive skill

    4. Your view is narrow because you want it to be. Because no matter what the statistics show. No matter how much France wins. You will say they got lucky or they are just athletes or dunkers. You may not posses the wisdom to see the strengths of the team beyond your bias. France = NBA street ball stunt players to you. Your blind...

    5. So you say France would not do so well if other teams are at full strength huh? This is no excuse! You should know that France is NOT at full strength. They are missing NBA Center/Forward Ronny Turiaf and M. Pietrus who is an excellent defender and 3pt shooter. I bet you did not think of that because you are blinded by bias

    6. "Like tomorrow" Sure France could lose. Spain is at full strength. France is not. Spain has more athletes. A greater quantity of skilled players. Spain has better team chemistry and more experience together. If France loses to Spain this doesn't prove that France = unskilled NBA street ballers. Spain can beat anyone in the world including USA. Losing to Spain is not a dishonor.

    7. True an in depth comparison of Football and Basketball would be complex. What is also true is that Brazilian/south American basketball is very different from German basketball BUT they still coexist and are respected. Likewise American basketball and European basketball are very different BUT both should be respected. You have no respect for anything that is not your view of basketball.


    P.s. IMHO Turkey had the 2nd most athletic team in the EC BUT they played below their potential. France plays better team ball than Turkey. Turkey has all these physical gifts BUT did not use them. I think they needed a better coach. I think an American coach like Blatt, Coach K, Phil Jackson who know how to use athletes to their potential could get them a medal. As far as athletes quality and quantity rankings. 1.Spain 2.Turkey(insane frontcourt and small forwards) 3.France(insane backcourt and small forwards). Turkey had athletes and skilled players yet weak mentality and psychology and offensive tactics. France wins close games and finish strong. France has shown strong mentality under pressure. It is unfair projecting this street ball image on them....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luz for 3 View Post
    He is already 15 PPG player, not 10 (averaging 14.2 ppg). The second statement in bold really surprised me. If you said that about Albicy, Tchicamboud or Kahudi, it would be fair and realistic, but about BATUM?? You're don't like France...



    Man, you are just predicting things that could happen or not. What happened to Rudy has nothing to do with Batum. Physically, Batum is much more NBA ready then Rudy, despite his alley-opp dunks in Badalona or even in Portland.



    Totally agreed. These players you've mentioned simply doesn't fit in the NBA. Simply as that. Good offensive players, mainly following the playbook (Navarro), not that good in transition and below average defenders for the NBA standards.



    You think it's all about lack of athleticism??
    +100 quoted for truth It has less to do with athleticism and more with skill development and playing style differences.

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    I voted Spain.

    Think it's gonna be a pretty one-sided match and I do not see how France can surprise.

    Spain knows to much about the France team, harder against Macedonia because they do not know much about Macedonia.

    France have a few good individual players but if you put up the right defence and tactic they will look very average on the court with out idea and will look very poor as a team. Spain knows for sure how to play against France. At least they will use a mini zone defence again. In general they are poor 3 point shoters.

    Just pity that Monya destroyd us with that super lucky 3 P buzzer. Thinks would be ESP-MKD final.

    I don not see how France can escape a 20- loss in this match and for the second stright EC finale we will have a very one sided story as in Poland two years ago, thats pity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robimkd View Post

    I don not see how France can escape a 20- loss in this match and for the second stright EC finale we will have a very one sided story as in Poland two years ago, thats pity.

    That's what I'm afraid of!!! I don't wanna see another lame final again. I'm hoping france will resist until the end of the game. Please do france! I wanna see some axious gasol faces

    and @Raze Lupin, I really enjoyed your point of view above. Keep up the good posts man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robimkd View Post
    I voted Spain.

    Think it's gonna be a pretty one-sided match and I do not see how France can surprise.

    Spain knows to much about the France team, harder against Macedonia because they do not know much about Macedonia.

    France have a few good individual players but if you put up the right defence and tactic they will look very average on the court with out idea and will look very poor as a team. Spain knows for sure how to play against France. At least they will use a mini zone defence again. In general they are poor 3 point shoters.

    Just pity that Monya destroyd us with that super lucky 3 P buzzer. Thinks would be ESP-MKD final.

    I don not see how France can escape a 20- loss in this match and for the second stright EC finale we will have a very one sided story as in Poland two years ago, thats pity.
    Robi, I don't get it... You seem completely blindsided on your own team at times...

    You are just repeating the old bias of this French Team, while saying that sudenly Fyrom has become the 3rd team in the world... We did not watch the same players on the court, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robimkd View Post
    I voted Spain.

    Think it's gonna be a pretty one-sided match and I do not see how France can surprise.

    Spain knows to much about the France team, harder against Macedonia because they do not know much about Macedonia.

    France have a few good individual players but if you put up the right defence and tactic they will look very average on the court with out idea and will look very poor as a team. Spain knows for sure how to play against France. At least they will use a mini zone defence again. In general they are poor 3 point shoters.

    Just pity that Monya destroyd us with that super lucky 3 P buzzer. Thinks would be ESP-MKD final.

    I don not see how France can escape a 20- loss in this match and for the second stright EC finale we will have a very one sided story as in Poland two years ago, thats pity.
    I think FYRoM - Dream Team would be a very closed game.If Vlado or Bo are in a bad day, maybe USA could steal the game. What do you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deschain View Post
    But this is because NBA does not use players' full potential. The game does not allow that.
    This is true anywhere, anyday, at work, in an amateur team who wants to go to the higher division next year, etc... If the coach does not ask you what you can do, if you don't like your situation, if... then you are not used the right way. In the NBA, or anywhere.
    In Europe, you have players that make one stellar year, and the year after, everything is going wrong for them. It's not the NBA.

    I don't get your point.
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    Can someone explain to me how France has somehow come to represent the NBA when Spain has just as many players in the league?

    It's not like they're playing Greece or Lithuania.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaka13 View Post
    I think FYRoM - Dream Team would be a very closed game.If Vlado or Bo are in a bad day, maybe USA could steal the game. What do you think?
    Quote Originally Posted by jaka13 View Post
    I think FYRoM - Dream Team would be a very closed game.If Vlado or Bo are in a bad day, maybe USA could steal the game. What do you think?
    You can be happy that Gecevski broke his hands against Slovenia. No way that Spain would have 48 rebs against 32 and 17 offensive rebs with Gec and Predrag insteed of Cekovski.

    I dont think you understand how close Macedonia wos to do what Greece did in football. Just a broken hand made the deferance.

    I do not care about dream team as long we are better than Greece I am fine .

    You can get used to our results the next 3-4 years. Next year former Caja Laboral player Vladimir Micov will joint the team. This mean that Ilievski and Bo will be prity fresh and the end of the torny and not as last night when Vlado run out of power keep Navarro at 8 P as long he could get some air.

    A lot of neutral experts say that France would get problems with our style of play. I guess all are wrong ???.

    After tomorrow when Spain beat France with 20 points everybady will say the real final wos Spain-Macedonia .



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    Vlado (Efes)
    Pero (Will sign with Caja Laboral)
    Vojdan (Will sign with Armani Milano, like Man C in football have money today)
    Predrag (Rytas)
    Vladimir (Former Partizan and Caja player)
    Todor (Paok)
    Damjan (Lukoil)
    Riste Stefanov (Former Besiktas and Union Olimpia player)
    Cekovski (MZT)
    Nikolovski
    Sokolov

    At least 10 players in rotation, Cekovski with out minutes

    Nikolovski and Stefanov injured during the prepeations. Kiril is the most talented center in Macedonia and would had succes just as Vojdan Stojanovski this wos his ticket out in europe i feel sorry for him but he will have a new chance next year in London .

    What makes you 100% sure you will beat us even with Spanulis


    Btw, back on topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robimkd View Post
    You can be happy that Gecevski broke his hands against Slovenia. No way that Spain would have 48 rebs against 32 and 17 offensive rebs with Gec and Predrag insteed of Cekovski.

    I dont think you understand how close Macedonia wos to do what Greece did in football. Just a broken hand made the deferance.

    I do not care about dream team as long we are better than Greece I am fine .

    You can get used to our results the next 3-4 years. Next year former Caja Laboral player Vladimir Micov will joint the team. This mean that Ilievski and Bo will be prity fresh and the end of the torny and not as last night when Vlado run out of power keep Navarro at 8 P as long he could get some air.

    A lot of neutral experts say that France would get problems with our style of play. I guess all are wrong ???.

    After tomorrow when Spain beat France with 20 points everybady will say the real final wos Spain-Macedonia .



    Bo (Montepaski)
    Vlado (Efes)
    Pero (Will sign with Caja Laboral)
    Vojdan (Will sign with Armani Milano, like Man C in football have money today)
    Predrag (Rytas)
    Vladimir (Former Partizan and Caja player)
    Todor (Paok)
    Damjan (Lukoil)
    Riste Stefanov (Former Besiktas and Union Olimpia player)
    Cekovski (MZT)
    Nikolovski
    Sokolov

    At least 10 players in rotation, Cekovski with out minutes

    Nikolovski and Stefanov injured during the prepeations. Kiril is the most talented center in Macedonia and would had succes just as Vojdan Stojanovski this wos his ticket out in europe i feel sorry for him but he will have a new chance next year in London .

    What makes you 100% sure you will beat us even with Spanulis


    Btw, back on topic.
    First of all, i ain't happy for Gekevski's broken hand. On the contrary i'm very sad for him and also for his abscence from FYRoM's team against Spain.
    As a matter of fact i was rooting for you, you have a very solid team.

    As far as football and basketball; these 2 games are completely different. In football, surprices are much more often than in basketball. In basketball most of the times the favorite wins.

    And yes, this greek NT is worse than FYRoM's. But you forget that this is our B (not say C) team, while your one is the most succesfull ever.

    I have said again that i would be very happy to see next years basketball develop in FYRoM. That would be good (very good) for the sport.

    And even if France loses tomorrow by 40 (let's say) points, that doesn't mean that FYRoM is better from them. With this logic, if Panathinaikos, for example, wins Kollosos by 5 and the next day wins Barcelona for 15, that means Kollosos is better than Barca??

    I have also read from other compatriots of you that Navarro wouldn't have scored so many points, if this or if that..Compromise with that, Navarro is a world class player, he always scored many points against even harder opponents..

    P.S.; Please stop chasing ghosts...The most of the people like your team, but you have to be more modest with your words. You are not a shitty team, but nor you are dream team..
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    In fact we will only get stronger when our diaspora boy Vladimir Micov join the team he will be a real key to our team. But lets not forget the very talented center Nikolovski but also Riste Stefanov.

    One thing is sure and that is with these three players we will not get any worse next year, you can add Gecevski too cuz his hand will be OK next summer. I know he is old and will quit our NT after the EC in Slovenija 2013 as he told.

    I hope that Antic will take one more step in Caja as Vojdan in Armani. AS a matter of act he will have two greek team mates in Armani that play for your NT.

    Look man i know this is your B team but we can give your best team a good run for the money especially with Micov in the team.

    I just hope that Macedonia and Greece avoid each other in qualifying so we can meet in London. 12 teams, 3 groups with 4 teams. 1 Group will have 2 teams from europ lets hope RUS and LTU.

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    France have fantastic individual players no doubt that they have better players than us. But you have to see the whole picure of basketball and that includes tactics and team play.

    This is not the first time i watch France NT and they hade the same problems for many many years. They have amazing problems when someone put up a good zone defence against this team. And Macedonia has the best defence on EC (at least one Gecevski plays). We keep the opponent at 62 points with Gecevski.

    France is a team that hate to play against teams that slow down the tempo and put up a zone defence. And Macedonia is expert to slow down the tempo.

    his is what Greece has been good at the last 20-30 years, to slow down the opponent and win matches with magic tactics.

    You should have beat France even with the team you have today. Some how France survived you made France look like a junior team with out idea.

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    even tho this might be little off topic i think its total bullshit how only 2 teams from europe qualify to Olympics, i mean really 2 teams? can anyone tell me who could compete with top 10-12 European teams besides USA, Argentina and maybe brazil and australia? its kind of screwed up that by far the most competitive continent in basketball gets only 2 spot its a joke i think europe deserves at least 5 positions.. lets say 1 for North america 1 for south 1 for africa 1 for asia 1 for oceania 5 for europe 1 for the hosts and 1 more for qualifying tournament..

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