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Thread: Philippine PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. III)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay P. Mercado View Post
    It's a given that both the Alvarez and Sy Groups are bonafide farm teams of the two major conglomerates. Whether they provide "services" for the RSA or MVP Groups, it doesn't matter. I've practically given up on these two already - and which is why I'm very disappointed with the due diligence made by Commissioner Chito Salud when he approved these two companies to buy PBA franchises.

    What makes it even worse is the Commissioner's unwillingness to do something about this. There has to be a certain moratorium on this - that trades of top picks should not be made for a prescribed period. That BRP move is terrible, and I seriously hope Marcial would disapprove this.

    However, given the circumstances prevailing, I don't think we'll see any reprieve from all these. This is where the Commissioner's office will have to play a major role to maintain the league's integrity. First, if he can't stop the trades of draft picks, the least he could do is to ensure that the "less privileged" teams gain more from the trade deals. In the case of BRP to Meralco for Jericho Cruz and Brian Heruela to Blackwater and Baser Amer to TNT, It is apparent that there's something wrong here. Let's figure out the weight of the players if we use the Commissioner's Trade Committee as meterstick:

    1. A disgruntled Cruz was traded by ROS for TNT's first round pick in 2018 (turned out to be JV Mocon, but who they selected is irrelevant in this discussion - I just brought up Mocon's name to give a better view), Sidney Onwubere (a first round pick in the 2017 draft) and Kris Rosales. Let's assume Rosales is worth a second round pick, while Onwubere is worth a first rounder (back then). That means Cruz's worth is equivalent to two (!!!) first round picks and one second round pick.

    Here's the crux of the discussion here. Since this was one of the first decisions made by the Trade Committee, it's normal to use this as the benchmark of all future decisions of the Committee.

    2. Since Cruz and Brian Heruela are going to BWE, and Heruela is worth a second round pick, that means BRP is worth, (check this), 2 first round picks and 2 second round picks. It's the same worth as Terrence Romeo when TNT gave up on him to get Semerad and Heruela (worth a second round pick each) and 2 first round picks.

    3. Parks was secured by Meralco. In return, they lost Baser Amer. Which means Amer's worth is the same as Parks - two first round picks and two second round picks! If that's the worth of Amer, then he'd already be the same worth as Romeo. More importantly, imagine the weight of Stanley Pringle and Jason Castro?

    The Commissioner will definitely have to take a look at this trade. If he can't stop these two franchises from giving up quality players, then he should recommend to the Board that they don't consider these two for "regularization" after their 5th season this year. Tanggalin na dapat....

    Pero if that's above the salary pay grade of Marcial, then at least, what he can do is rectify the trade situation and make both Meralco and TNT bleed a little more in their effort to get Parks. Parang ang nangyayari tuloy, bumabawi si Kume sa MVP Group for the CS fiasco last season. Eh kailan matatapos yun ganito?
    I think the reason why salud accepted them is that aside 200 million windfall on the coffers of pba... additional 30 slots for players they want to flourish and continue their careers in the pba and as if Barako Bull and old Lina franchise werent doing this when they were in the ten team league..I think there still a 5 year bond for pba teams and it will expire after the 2019 season only is the time where Columbian(I am 90% sure that Blackwater wont sell their franchise) will sell the franchise to new players..
    To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..

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    Quote Originally Posted by reamily View Post
    Sorry Sumang....but they traded an erram who doesnt want to sign with them and they want to sell parks on highest bidder and want serviceable but cheap players who already played well with them(although cruz only played on them in d league but was a solid pba player before injuries) in their rotation
    Sorry I don't get it. Di ba pg si Sumang? or is there another sumang in the pba?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reamily View Post
    JD will be dispensable with parks around..but jd doesnt solve blackwaters problem in the tall c position as jose and tratter are small centers.. you cant rely the big 5 to rabeh alone..Blackwater despite the brouhaha has potential to be a two man deep team in every position.. slasher / shooter combo of Di gregorio and Cruz is promising (already played with Ever Bilena) heruela and pinto are solid on this level..belo/maliksi..sena/jose. tratter/rabeh? they need an insurance big like what suman can offer heck even a MAc Baracael can be a good depth dangler for bwe..
    wait. sumang is a big? how?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cocoy Martin View Post
    In the NBA David Stern was lambasted for vetoing a trade but here in the PBA the fans are demanding that Marcial does so.

    Why is it difficult to comprehend that as long as the parties involved in the trade are ok with their deal that that should be the end of it. What you want the Marcial to be like Duremdes in the MPBL who makes rules on the fly?

    If I want to trade my Rolex for a Casio then that's on me and no one else.

    Boy Pinoys really have such huge noses and backward minds.
    When you trade your Rolex for a Casio, the only one that suffers is you.

    PBA team owners and PBA management forget, and you seem to have forgotten too, that they are beholden to a third party which is the end-all and be-all of the League's existence: the fans. People WANT a competitive league. The years of dominance by a handful of teams have made the PBA predictable and boring and fans are making their displeasure known by not watching the games at the venues and on television.

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    Cj perez hasn’t sign with columbian yet

    -The bidding still on..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Killer View Post
    Cj perez hasn’t sign with columbian yet

    -The bidding still on..
    oh wow something is cooking. larry rodriguez for cj perez is due for approval at the commissioners office.hahaha.

    but seriously i think next years draft will be deep. if columbian motors can get two first round picks for CJ perez then i think will be good for them.hehe. personally i dont think CJ can help their cause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Killer View Post
    Cj perez hasn’t sign with columbian yet

    -The bidding still on..
    SMB offering Vigil, but columbian is smart, insisting on getting BillyMams too

    Who started the lopsided trades? The oldest I can remember was Kelly + Reyes going to mobiline.
    Was the pablo for teng considered lopsided? any other notable old lopsided trades?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trig View Post
    SMB offering Vigil, but columbian is smart, insisting on getting BillyMams too

    Who started the lopsided trades? The oldest I can remember was Kelly + Reyes going to mobiline.
    Was the pablo for teng considered lopsided? any other notable old lopsided trades?
    Bogs Adornado from Crispa to U/Tex for P100k back in 1980....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay P. Mercado View Post
    Bogs Adornado from Crispa to U/Tex for P100k back in 1980....
    oh well. it seems this is deeply rooted. i doubt this will change. if people keep on complaigning about these practices then its like a dog barking at the moon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Killer View Post
    Cj perez hasn’t sign with columbian yet

    -The bidding still on..
    I remember 1 quote about the news/rumour of Arwind Santos going to SMB.. As they quoted Lito Alvarez saying that ever since his rookie contract theres an agreement that he would go to San Miguel once his rookie contract expires..

    Ayun.. the rest is history...

    I think CJ perez is the type of guy that will flourish first on a team like kia than being a bench player in elite teams except tnt siguro
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    Quote Originally Posted by reamily View Post
    I remember 1 quote about the news/rumour of Arwind Santos going to SMB.. As they quoted Lito Alvarez saying that ever since his rookie contract theres an agreement that he would go to San Miguel once his rookie contract expires..

    Ayun.. the rest is history...

    I think CJ perez is the type of guy that will flourish first on a team like kia than being a bench player in elite teams except tnt siguro
    parang tweener kasi si CJ. i think he mostly plays SF. but his short in pba so he will play SG but his plays are not SG. so its very difficult. i do think that against pogoy and ross he will get shot down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalsuperman View Post
    wait. sumang is a big? how?
    hahah sorry misquoted i say in that statement they need an insurance big like what sumang is to the guards of blackwater. .. sorry
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    Quote Originally Posted by reamily View Post
    hahah sorry misquoted i say in that statement they need an insurance big like what sumang is to the guards of blackwater. .. sorry
    i think BW dont need to ask for a big. in the next draft i think maraming bigs. which is why they need first round pick for parks. if they can have one first round pick from NLEX and one from MERALCO then it would justify the trades they made this draft.

    i can only imagine them having 3 first round picks next year. they can draft three bigs.hehe.
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    I think tnt acquiring amer by losing jericho and brian is fair.

    What is not fair is meralco acquiring parks by losing amer. Meralco should add a pick or 2 picks (2nd round) to mske it fair at least in paper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neo View Post
    I think tnt acquiring amer by losing jericho and brian is fair.

    What is not fair is meralco acquiring parks by losing amer. Meralco should add a pick or 2 picks (2nd round) to mske it fair at least in paper.
    your emphasis of amer and parks was a slap on amers career. or i dont know..I really dont think amer moving up to tnt is a promotion.. It might be a vote of no confidence for norman black .
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    Quote Originally Posted by reamily View Post
    your emphasis of amer and parks was a slap on amers career. or i dont know..I really dont think amer moving up to tnt is a promotion.. It might be a vote of no confidence for norman black .
    i do think with dickel he will improve tho. if BW had amer for parks i think its a good one to one trade tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neo View Post
    I think tnt acquiring amer by losing jericho and brian is fair.

    What is not fair is meralco acquiring parks by losing amer. Meralco should add a pick or 2 picks (2nd round) to mske it fair at least in paper.
    Or make it a 4way trade
    SMB gets romeo
    TNT gets Semerad, Amer
    Meralco gets Parks
    BW gets Heruela, Cruz, SMB pick, Meralco pick

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    Quote Originally Posted by trig View Post
    Or make it a 4way trade
    SMB gets romeo
    TNT gets Semerad, Amer
    Meralco gets Parks
    BW gets Heruela, Cruz, SMB pick, Meralco pick
    in a perfect world this should be it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trig View Post
    Or make it a 4way trade
    SMB gets romeo
    TNT gets Semerad, Amer
    Meralco gets Parks
    BW gets Heruela, Cruz, SMB pick, Meralco pick
    Except BW is just saling pusa and isn't really concerned with winning as much as the other teams like Columbian, NP etc. They could ask for future picks but they'll just trade it again in the future along witj their best players

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    it seems there was a gentlemans agreement during the draft. NLEX wanted to draft mocon, but BW want desiderio and tratter which is why tratter was not picked in between for NLEX.
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