Philippine PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. III)

[CoJ]

What the hell is this, modern slavery? The PBA has no right to stop aspiring and current PBA players from joining other leagues abroad.

in theory they can stop PBA players under contract since they are bound to that contract, I think there is no precedence to this? (active PBA player signed by another league) hence the lack of rules regarding contract buyouts. The closest would be the myth regarding Abbarientos' supposed NBA stint

[Jay P. Mercado]

in theory they can stop PBA players under contract since they are bound to that contract, I think there is no precedence to this? (active PBA player signed by another league) hence the lack of rules regarding contract buyouts. The closest would be the myth regarding Abbarientos' supposed NBA stint

No rules but there was a precedent. When the MBA was formed in 1998, several PBA players with existing contracts opted to leave their PBA teams and move to the MBA. Guys like Ato Agustin, Jack Tanuan, Bong Ravena, among others, came to play for the initial staging of the MBA.

The influx of former PBA players to the MBA didn't exactly require any form of threat from then Commissioner Bernardino. It was "free will," that despite the same rules governing then, no pressure was given to the ex-PBA guys. They even welcomed them back, like Agustin who suited up for Red Bull in 2000.

To my understanding, there is no law that prohibits the PBA from imposing such sanctions to players unwilling to join the draft. However, this may still be contested in the courts if ever a player opts out of the PBA and joins another league without informing the league officials. A lawyer can question the legality of the rule as a violation of one's right to earn a living.

To my mind, the PBA is clutching on thin straw at this point, not knowing how to run the league. It is no secret that the rookies have a major impact on the success of the league as evidenced by several precedents in the past (the entry of Alvin, Benjie, Jolas, Bong, Jerry, Ronnie, etc. in 1988-89, the entry of the 1991 national team members of Johnny, Marlou, Ravena, Pablo, Meneses, Limpot, Solomon, etc., the entry of the Fil-Fors and Fil-Shams from 1998 to 2001, the Gilas 1.0 arrival in 2011, etc.). The PBA can only be salivating with the prospects of having the top guns from the amateur ranks coming in and boosting the league's sagging popularity. These are players with instant name recall - the likes of Thirdy, Kobe, Kai, Edu, Juan, etc. - and they have so much appeal that can bring in the young fans to watch the pro league.

It's this point of desperation that's driving league officials from coming up with one stupid move after another. That rule on banning eligible applicants from joining the PBA is an indication - perhaps worried that the MPBL (a lousy league actually) may steal some of those players away from them. Curiously though, they singled out as one reason why amateur players are dodging the draft is because they may not exactly want to play for a particular PBA team.

Which is the root cause of the problem that Marcial should focus on - and not on the amateur players. Why can't Marcial focus on the greater issue at hand - why is it that some applicants do not want to play for certain teams? What's the difference of their max salary with another team's max salary (to quote WSU)? Why would players opt to check who's on the pecking order of the draft first before making a move?

From 1985 up to the 2000's, this was totally unheard of. Rookies would only be glad to jump in and join the PBA, regardless of which PBA team. There may have been some exceptions, but it wasn't because of the team per se. Romy DL Rosa wanted to play for Shell in 1989 because the Turbo Chargers was willing to give him a Php 70k salary while he was still practicing with them in the pre-draft, higher than the actual offer of Añejo Rum at Php 60k. Same with Vic Pablo who wanted the max of Php 100k but Ginebra was only willing to give him Php 90k. While both times it was Ginebra, it wasn't because DL Rosa and Pablo didn't want to play for the team, but because there were better offers elsewhere.

Today, you have teams like Dyip and Blackwater willing to give the rookie max contract at 3 years to the top draftees but curiously, the young turks won't bite. Parks did so but he was eventually shipped to TNT (note how the PBA called this the "Bobby Ray Parks rule"). Why? Shouldn't that be the primary concern of Marcial instead? Doesn't it make sense that he'll channel his time and resources on something he can control (as part of the PBA family) instead of factors he cannot control?

Until these amateur players apply for the draft, that's the only time the league has control over them. Anything before that isn't. And what's even laughable is that, according to Marcial, players with expired contracts who opt to sign up for a foreign league should seek permission / approval or inform the PBA about it. Why? The only thing that any PBA team has on a player is the right of first refusal - meaning, if he comes back, his last team would be the one to decide if he gets to play for them or be traded to another team. It's a thinly-veiled threat that has no bearing, no teeth, and absolutely ridiculous.

But then again, there wasn't a time in PBA history when this league was doing so bad. There wasn't a time in PBA history when the league had a myopic Commissioner who only looks at the day-to-day operational tasks and not from the strategic standpoint. And yes, there wasn't a time in PBA history when the league was genuinely threatened of not having these quality amateur players looking at them as top priority.

Clutching on thin straw, indeed....

[CoJ]

No rules but there was a precedent. When the MBA was formed in 1998, several PBA players with existing contracts opted to leave their PBA teams and move to the MBA. Guys like Ato Agustin, Jack Tanuan, Bong Ravena, among others, came to play for the initial staging of the MBA.

The influx of former PBA players to the MBA didn't exactly require any form of threat from then Commissioner Bernardino. It was "free will," that despite the same rules governing then, no pressure was given to the ex-PBA guys. They even welcomed them back, like Agustin who suited up for Red Bull in 2000.

To my understanding, there is no law that prohibits the PBA from imposing such sanctions to players unwilling to join the draft. However, this may still be contested in the courts if ever a player opts out of the PBA and joins another league without informing the league officials. A lawyer can question the legality of the rule as a violation of one's right to earn a living.

To my mind, the PBA is clutching on thin straw at this point, not knowing how to run the league. It is no secret that the rookies have a major impact on the success of the league as evidenced by several precedents in the past (the entry of Alvin, Benjie, Jolas, Bong, Jerry, Ronnie, etc. in 1988-89, the entry of the 1991 national team members of Johnny, Marlou, Ravena, Pablo, Meneses, Limpot, Solomon, etc., the entry of the Fil-Fors and Fil-Shams from 1998 to 2001, the Gilas 1.0 arrival in 2011, etc.). The PBA can only be salivating with the prospects of having the top guns from the amateur ranks coming in and boosting the league's sagging popularity. These are players with instant name recall - the likes of Thirdy, Kobe, Kai, Edu, Juan, etc. - and they have so much appeal that can bring in the young fans to watch the pro league.

It's this point of desperation that's driving league officials from coming up with one stupid move after another. That rule on banning eligible applicants from joining the PBA is an indication - perhaps worried that the MPBL (a lousy league actually) may steal some of those players away from them. Curiously though, they singled out as one reason why amateur players are dodging the draft is because they may not exactly want to play for a particular PBA team.

Which is the root cause of the problem that Marcial should focus on - and not on the amateur players. Why can't Marcial focus on the greater issue at hand - why is it that some applicants do not want to play for certain teams? What's the difference of their max salary with another team's max salary (to quote WSU)? Why would players opt to check who's on the pecking order of the draft first before making a move?

From 1985 up to the 2000's, this was totally unheard of. Rookies would only be glad to jump in and join the PBA, regardless of which PBA team. There may have been some exceptions, but it wasn't because of the team per se. Romy DL Rosa wanted to play for Shell in 1989 because the Turbo Chargers was willing to give him a Php 70k salary while he was still practicing with them in the pre-draft, higher than the actual offer of Añejo Rum at Php 60k. Same with Vic Pablo who wanted the max of Php 100k but Ginebra was only willing to give him Php 90k. While both times it was Ginebra, it wasn't because DL Rosa and Pablo didn't want to play for the team, but because there were better offers elsewhere.

Today, you have teams like Dyip and Blackwater willing to give the rookie max contract at 3 years to the top draftees but curiously, the young turks won't bite. Parks did so but he was eventually shipped to TNT (note how the PBA called this the "Bobby Ray Parks rule"). Why? Shouldn't that be the primary concern of Marcial instead? Doesn't it make sense that he'll channel his time and resources on something he can control (as part of the PBA family) instead of factors he cannot control?

Until these amateur players apply for the draft, that's the only time the league has control over them. Anything before that isn't. And what's even laughable is that, according to Marcial, players with expired contracts who opt to sign up for a foreign league should seek permission / approval or inform the PBA about it. Why? The only thing that any PBA team has on a player is the right of first refusal - meaning, if he comes back, his last team would be the one to decide if he gets to play for them or be traded to another team. It's a thinly-veiled threat that has no bearing, no teeth, and absolutely ridiculous.

But then again, there wasn't a time in PBA history when this league was doing so bad. There wasn't a time in PBA history when the league had a myopic Commissioner who only looks at the day-to-day operational tasks and not from the strategic standpoint. And yes, there wasn't a time in PBA history when the league was genuinely threatened of not having these quality amateur players looking at them as top priority.

Clutching on thin straw, indeed....

thanks for the great response,didn't know that the PBA allowed the likes of ravena, tanuan, agustin and teng to transfer to the mpbl, the PBA ought to adopt in these changing times for them to be relevant. While the rest of the leagues in the Asia-Pacific region embraces globalization, ours is backwards and isolationist.

[Silent Killer]

nah..

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/pba-chairman-vargas-doesn-t-see-overseas-pro-leagues-as-threat-a795-20200630

[geohunk]

While we are still focus on thirdy ravena and tab Baldwin issue eh until now our government still no go signal for athletes (especially our gilas pilipinas) to be able to practice once again.. NCR still in gcq so still not allowed to start practice.. I'm bit worried because our plans beyond 2023 still delayed due to this pandemic.. other countries who are much more heavy casualty in this pandemic are already give go signal in their athletes to practice, or already start their professional leagues.. while us are still waiting.. what will happened in our gilas if the 2nd window this coming November is still resume and we are can't be able to prepare due to this decision of our government to hold our athletes.. while jeepneys, buses, restaurants, cinemas, tourism and gyms are now open even these ones are hard implementations of social distancing while training of our athletes are still not allowed? Why IATF? I'm more disappointed now in our government, as a pro-duterte eh I'm disappointed right now.. the AFC/world cup qualifiers for FIFA eh will start by October but still azkals players are not been allowed..

What da heck?! Did you really have to spam all the threads with the same post? I think everyone in here can read and get your point. LOL!

[hmbopbaduwap]

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/p...ef=home_feed_1

THE PBA Commissioner's Office said it will summon Ginebra star Japeth Aguilar and Rain or Shine rookie draftee Adrian Wong after a video that surfaced online showed them playing in a five-a-side game while Metro Manila and most parts of the country remain under quarantine due to the coronavirus pandemic.

Commissioner Willie Marcial said he wants to get the side of the two amid concerns that they participated in a basketball game in violation of the General Community Quarantine (GCQ) guidelines enforced by the government's Inter-Agency Task Force (IATF) on Emerging Infectious Diseases.

"Kakausapin ko muna so I can get their side," said Marcial, who bared that he sent out a memo to all the league's member teams banning players from participating in scrimmages and training in compliance with the government's quarantine rules.

Marcial said he also plans to call up Isaac Go, who was one of the players identified in the video of the five-a-side game held in a Greenhills gym posted on Wednesday. Also identified in the video was Japan-bound Thirdy Ravena.

Kakausapin ko lang," said Marcial.


Team sports is still banned by the IATF under its GCQ guidelines, although the PBA is seeking approval for a plan to bring its teams back into training mode under a controlled environment maintained by strict health safeguards.

Those plans, however, still do not include scrimmages which the league hopes would come next in preparation for a targeted October return.

[CoJ]

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/p...ef=home_feed_1

THE PBA Commissioner's Office said it will summon Ginebra star Japeth Aguilar and Rain or Shine rookie draftee Adrian Wong after a video that surfaced online showed them playing in a five-a-side game while Metro Manila and most parts of the country remain under quarantine due to the coronavirus pandemic.

Commissioner Willie Marcial said he wants to get the side of the two amid concerns that they participated in a basketball game in violation of the General Community Quarantine (GCQ) guidelines enforced by the government's Inter-Agency Task Force (IATF) on Emerging Infectious Diseases.

"Kakausapin ko muna so I can get their side," said Marcial, who bared that he sent out a memo to all the league's member teams banning players from participating in scrimmages and training in compliance with the government's quarantine rules.

Marcial said he also plans to call up Isaac Go, who was one of the players identified in the video of the five-a-side game held in a Greenhills gym posted on Wednesday. Also identified in the video was Japan-bound Thirdy Ravena.

Kakausapin ko lang," said Marcial.


Team sports is still banned by the IATF under its GCQ guidelines, although the PBA is seeking approval for a plan to bring its teams back into training mode under a controlled environment maintained by strict health safeguards.

Those plans, however, still do not include scrimmages which the league hopes would come next in preparation for a targeted October return.

keyword: "KAKAUSAPIN"

[el scorcho]

keyword: "KAKAUSAPIN"

Translation: Cha-ching! Cha-Ching!

[k3ttch]

Don’t you just love this league. They found a way to make money even without playing any games. Thanks to Coach Tab, Japeth, Isaac Go, and Adrian Wong.

Ateneo is a real milking cow for the PBA.

[hmbopbaduwap]

It’s a go for Basketball and Football for the resumption of training

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/boost-for-pba-as-iatf-clears-resumption-of-basketball-football-training-a1374-20200703?ref=home_featured_big

THE government has given the go-signal for the resumption of training in basketball and football on Friday, clearing the way for the return of PBA teams to training.

Presidential Spokesperson Harry Roque announced during a media briefing that the Inter-Agency Task Force (IATF) on Emerging Infectious Diseases has cleared the resumption of activities in the two team sports, at least in practices.

"Pinayagan na po ang practice at yung conditioning ng basketball at football, sang ayon po sa request ng PBA at ng ibang football associations," said Roque.

Roque, curiously, made no mention of other team sports like volleyball.

The PBA had sought IATF approval for a plan to have its 12 teams resume training in small groups under a 'bubble' environment. The protocols include regular testing and only a minimum number of people present during the practices.

The IATF approval raises hope that the PBA teams can return to practices in time for the holding of a single-conference season.

The decision will also allow clubs under the Philippine Football Federation (PFF) umbrella to go back to training ahead of the league's resumption.

[JAMSKIE]

While we are still focus on thirdy ravena and tab Baldwin issue eh until now our government still no go signal for athletes (especially our gilas pilipinas) to be able to practice once again.. NCR still in gcq so still not allowed to start practice.. I'm bit worried because our plans beyond 2023 still delayed due to this pandemic.. other countries who are much more heavy casualty in this pandemic are already give go signal in their athletes to practice, or already start their professional leagues.. while us are still waiting.. what will happened in our gilas if the 2nd window this coming November is still resume and we are can't be able to prepare due to this decision of our government to hold our athletes.. while jeepneys, buses, restaurants, cinemas, tourism and gyms are now open even these ones are hard implementations of social distancing while training of our athletes are still not allowed? Why IATF? I'm more disappointed now in our government, as a pro-duterte eh I'm disappointed right now.. the AFC/world cup qualifiers for FIFA eh will start by October but still azkals players are not been allowed..

Here is it bro:

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/boost-for-pba-as-iatf-clears-resumption-of-basketball-football-training-a1374-20200703?ref=home_featured_big

Hope SBP sends the same proposal before the IATF so that the National team can start its training ASAP. We have to take note, there's still that postponed game vs. Thailand in the 1st window and of course a pair of games vs. Sokor & Indonesia in the 2nd window.

If PBA players can now start their conditioning process & training then why not for the National team players? Hope SBP takes necessary action ASAP. Hindi next month, hindi September pa. NOW na!

[digitalsuperman]

Don’t you just love this league. They found a way to make money even without playing any games. Thanks to Coach Tab, Japeth, Isaac Go, and Adrian Wong.

Ateneo is a real milking cow for the PBA.

pba is business. they need money.

[JAMSKIE]

That's for sure.. we lost 5 months due to lockdown.. they should conduct practice with some gilas cadets...kahit skills and conditioning Lang muna..

Say conditioning & skills training for 1 & 1/2 month then actual basketball practices & tune-up games thereafter leading to the actual games vs. Thailand, Sokor & Indoneasia

[JAMSKIE]

Yeah.. they should request to pba for atleast play as a guest team.. Di Rin Kasi pwede sila mag conduct ng practice overseas dahil bawal pa.. aside from 5 gilas cadets and tungcab.. who will be available players to atleast complete the team.. thirdy can't be available due to his Japan stint...

What is the plan of UAAP for the 83rd season? When do they plan to stage the 83rd season? If they plan to stage it early next year (just like the NCAA), then UAAP players like Dwight Ramos, Kobe Paras, Rhenz Abando, Justin Baltazar would be available for Gilas for the 2nd window & the 1st window game vs. Thailand. Likewise, San Beda's Calvin Oftana would also be available.

[Silent Killer]

What is the plan of UAAP for the 83rd season? When do they plan to stage the 83rd season? If they plan to stage it early next year (just like the NCAA), then UAAP players like Dwight Ramos, Kobe Paras, Rhenz Abando, Justin Baltazar would be available for Gilas for the 2nd window & the 1st window game vs. Thailand. Likewise, San Beda's Calvin Oftana would also be available.

uaap’s plan is early next year (january start)