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Thread: Semifinals, Turkey vs. Serbia

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    Quote Originally Posted by washcloud View Post
    It sure did. Like Serbia "did". And Lithuania deserved it as well - maybe a tad bit more than the others. It's a matter of perspective too btw : For some, USA DIDN'T "deserve" to be a finalist ('cause of their emphasis on their athletic skills instead of playing a "heroics" basketball game). Serbia for others deserved it because of Ivkovic (his name alone "opens gates") and of the "creative" plays given by Teodosic (everybody loves a "mastermind point guard" that feeds his other 4 fellow players with awesome assists and that he moreover takes decisive 3 point shots, along with the lead of his team). There were ones that thought Lithuania deserved to be a finalist, 'cause of their extremely talented and tenacious young players that played in run and (effectively) gun mode, providing what's been missing in the new era of basketball : enjoyable plays. And of course, there are the ones, Turks mainly, that claim their team deserved a shot in the final game, for showing consistency throughout the tournament, and giving a couple of overwhelming games as well.
    And they probably all are right.
    History however wrote that the final was played between Kevin Dur,,,,,I MEAN Team USA and Turkey.
    Only problem being that "controversial" semi with Serbia, which was leading the game till the last minutes and then came Asik's "theatrical performance" to avoid shooting that couple of free throws he earned, 'cause of his awful FT percentage and Krstic's disqualifying foul that seemingly only existed in the fantasy of the ref that called it that btw also endowed Erden with a single FT (the aftermath included mainly Tunceri's infamous out-of-bounds stepping when he got the ball from Turkoglu so as to make the last and actually silver-medal winning basket in those last 4 secs). I mean if Turkey got the lead for the most part and finally won by, say, 10+ points, I don't think that there'd be grounds for others to moan.
    And it's true that the 5th foul called on Krstic was the "unfair"/decisive call.
    All other stuff could be excused due to the intensity of the last minutes of such a game.
    But does such a technicality make the Turkish team not eligible for the final?
    I do not think so. And it would be sad if it goes down as such.
    'Cause, for example, shouldn't there be a flagrant foul call on Teodosic for bashing Asik in the manner that he did?
    Home teams may get the officials' support as a standard - but they seldom get the support of the other teams' fans. In the case of Turkey, this was kinda in the utmost degree. Why so?
    Well, to begin with, "they are the Ottomans that suppressed the Balkans for half a millennium", "they are the ones that have been butchering Kurds, Armenian, Greeks and others even in modern times", "they are an uncivilized and of a retrograde religion nation of cocky ethnicists with offensive militaristic profile that also gives head to the Americans", "they are good for only home tournaments", "they don't have a certain basketball school and on the contrary their best players aren't clear Turks to begin with" and so on....
    However, the fact is that this Turkish team utilized its home advantage, considering good psychology, to the best extend, and they played nicely and effectively through Mundobasket and of course shouldn't take any historical, political or religious blame for that matter. They surely weren't a team that gave you the feeling that they are an unbeatable force of nature - but then again we all saw what came of "unbeatable Greece", "formidable Spain", "mighty Argentina" and even of those "hungry Serbian youngster-gangsters who lost a game to the "nothingness" of the Germans, and had a close call with the Argentineans.
    It would have been nice if the Turkish players made it to the final in a more convincing/matching to their previous games manner, and if they also fought more against Team USA, but to say "they didn't deserve that silver medal" is, I think, profanity against a team that had a certain cool, that played quite wisely/convincingly/effectively at times, a team that for the most part didn't provoke others with nasty behaviour/fouling (...unlike others did...).

    All in all, yes, Turkey did (too) deserve to be in that final, even if they stepped on it with one leg........out of bounds.
    So it's really not nice to attack the Turkish fans and their joy, is what I say. Even the occasional not so mature ones.

    thanks washcloud

    this is what i say.perfect.let s hope Hellens will be mighty and magical again and Turks will improve theirselves more.And maybe all world can see for once at least mighty fantastic Aegean final.(just eliminate the USA,and leave us the Spain hehe)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earendil View Post
    Monteneegrans like nation dont exist they are all serbs who live in montenegro


    So,I do not exist?
    Serbian propaganda on every god damn internet forum.This is unreal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montenegrino View Post
    So,I do not exist?
    Serbian propaganda on every god damn internet forum.This is unreal.
    Serbia Montenegro are just one right?

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    ^ Not, since June 3rd 2006

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montenegrino View Post
    So,I do not exist?
    Serbian propaganda on every god damn internet forum.This is unreal.
    Yes, you exist! In every god damn coffee shop in Belgrade...

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    ^...why attack his national pride. Unfair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SunOverHStreet View Post
    Yes, you exist! In every god damn coffee shop in Belgrade...
    Post of the year!!!

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    "Τurkey cheated"....?

    ...that's how the wrong impression can be made, and then I can understand the defensive position that the Turks of the forum are gonna take.....

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    LOL, this is still going on

    I mean yeah I admit that Turkey cheated, and they don't deserve the silver medal, but hey Stuff like that happens all the time in basketball, that's part of the game.

    just let it be and move on already

    Next time around. guess FIBA should use the replay more often like in the NBA
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    The replay idea's fine - yet the term "cheated" is strong and uncalled for, since cheating involves malice and I don't think that Tunceri ever noticed he stepped on the boundary line at that last scene of the game anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    LOL, this is still going on

    I mean yeah I admit that Turkey cheated, and they don't deserve the silver medal, but hey Stuff like that happens all the time in basketball, that's part of the game.

    just let it be and move on already

    Next time around. guess FIBA should use the replay more often like in the NBA
    Turkey did not cheat buddy.Refs favoured Turkey in the Semi final.If you say "cheat" it means Turkish BB fed. arranged sth with Fiba with refs etc by money.But if you say refs over favored Turkey in the Semi it means refs helped overly to the host nation.They are completely different terms.

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    ^...cheating could also take place by the players as well, by doing something intentional, like e.g. making an extra step while holding the ball, or gaining advantage by purposefully stepping out of bounds to avoid some defense, or by pulling someone's shirt/arm down while defending, or pulling the net after an opponent's bouncing shot over the rim, hoping that the refs won't care much to whistle. And I honestly have no idea what possible agreements the Turkish Bball Fed might have had with FIBA, yet what I saw throughout the tournament the team (...with the kinda exemption of the coach's provokative talk to Bourousis after Greece-Russia) have all been almost immaculate gentlemen (...ok, Asik was a bit of a wuss for staging that act after Teodosic's slap, just to force his replacement by some other teammate of his for the free throws benefit instead of slouchy him, but that was just one, even though prominent, instance).
    In fact that's what I personally liked abt Turkey's team, even more than their occasionally fancy/effective plays : they're not a "dirty dozen" (...maybe only Gonlum is a bit of a trouble-maker, or better yet is the most prone to it among them).
    Last edited by washcloud; 10-01-2010 at 08:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by washcloud View Post
    ^...cheating could also take place by the players as well, by doing something intentional, like e.g. making an extra step while holding the ball, or gaining advantage by purposefully stepping out of bounds to avoid some defense, or by pulling someone's shirt/arm down while defending, or pulling the net after an opponent's bouncing shot over the rim, hoping that the refs won't care much to whistle. And I honestly have no idea what possible agreements the Turkish Bball Fed might have had with FIBA, yet what I saw throughout the tournament the team (...with the kinda exemption of the coach's provokative talk to Bourousis after Greece-Russia) have all been almost immaculate gentlemen (...ok, Asik was a bit of a wuss for staging that act after Teodosic's slap, just to force his replacement by some other teammate of his for the free throws benefit instead of slouchy him, but that was just one, even though prominent, instance).
    In fact that's what I personally liked abt Turkey's team, even more than their occasionally fancy/effective plays : they're not a "dirty dozen" (...maybe only Gonlum is a bit of a trouble-maker, or better yet is the most prone to it among them).
    Buddy,after your comments,i cant find anything to criticize.Such an objective member.What u tell ;always true,real and objective.go on washcloud...

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    Thanks for acknowledging mate...

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    Good post and reading!

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    Quote Originally Posted by washcloud View Post
    Thanks for acknowledging mate...

    you r welcome.Just when we ll have Greek Nt tough and fighter again.They always make Tournaments more exciting.

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    this threead is still going on with discussions of finite points? i swear everybody here could be a lawyer the least a paralegal
    "A nationality that easily feels wronged is an insecure one, and one that will be difficult to progress."-Anonymous

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    The thing about Turkey is that they never deserve any medals Why? Because they are Turkey and they wear red and white uniforms. (simply idiotic and one-sided)

    Same happened in EC 2009 too, Turkey beat Spain and Serbia and they were not convincing victories because Spain team was at 15% and Serbia team did not care about the match. Then what happened? Greece came and beat us in the QF.

    even though the referees issued a few bad calls, i don't say that "Greece shouldn't have been there! We were the better team and we deserved the SF, one sided referees you should all go to hell."

    If we were simply the better, then the team would have practically finished the match when ilyasova had made THAT open layup. Guess what? he couldn't and greece came back and the game went to OT. Does that mean that Greece did not deserve the bronze medal? Does a turk have a call to say that?

    no. if were the better team then we would have won by a convincing margin.
    Still, that team was a great team and i think we could have beaten the Greek team.(oh, we couldn't) The team couldn't and that was a great disappointment "for me".

    You are not born with a perfect team sense, you work harder to become a team and then you deserve something. I think Turkey had a stronger squad than Greece but they were not better than Greece as a team.

    About the WC, bad calls or "missed" calls are the nature of the game. And in front of 15000 fans, an "on the line" call is "too simple to spoil a match at last second." I'm sure in Beograd Arena or in OAKA things would be the same if the home team was the related team. That's the homecourt advantage, and many teams, especially the european powerhouses somehow benefited from it from time to time.

    I don't support the "disrighteous" referee decisions. But, hey, Kerem Tunçeri stepped on the line? so what? you could still have blocked the layup with your great frontline players, or have sended him to foul line to miss his free throws because he is a damn terrible player. Or you could have made that alley-oop in the last 0.5 sec (compensation call, if you ask me, the last 0.5 secs ) and you could still have won the game.

    I don't even talk about the buildind-up of the game, where Serbia had many chances to bring the margin to 10+. But yes. They couldn't and they let the game to the "road of no return."

    Turkey 2010 WC NT was a great team and simply deserved the silver medal.

    The thing about Serbians is that, they don't accept Turkey NT as an equal to theirs (or, well, they don't respect the turkish nt). yet they talk about THAT game like turkey nt is their equal. This is a contradiction and inacceptance of a defeat.


    Remember, this rag-tag Turkish NT held Serbia scorless in OT in 2009.

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