FIBA World Rankings

[Dtown]

Nothing against those countries but there should be a reality check.

It's only cause Finland hadn't been in a tournament that counts in the rankings until this year. They'll immediately vault those teams next rankings.

[oaba09]

The FIBA rankings isn't really a good representation of the actual strength of the teams. Take my country for example, a lot of countries that we can easily beat are ahead of us in the rankings.

[khaledlebanon]

Fiba Ranking

~ FibaAsia pts (fiba ranking)

Gold = 15pts
Silver = 12pts
Bronze = 9pts
4 = 4.5pts
5 = 4.2pts
6 = 3.9pts
7 = 3.6pts
8 = 3.3pts

`How it Works: http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/eve...howItWork.html

>> Lebanon Points (Fiba Ranking)
- Asia 2005 2nd = 12pts
- WC 2006 17th = 10pts
- Asia 2007 2nd = 12pts
- Asia 2009 4th = 4.5pts
- WC 2010 20th = 5pts
- Asia 2011 = 3.9pts

Total: 47.4pts

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~~ Fiba 2010 Ranking ~~

1. USA 892.0 pts
2. Spain 720
3. Argentina 665.0.
20. Iran 83.1
21. Nigeria 69.6
22. Venezuela 49.0
23. Canada 48.2
>>>>>> 24. Lebanon 48.0 <<<<<<
25. Uruguay 37.6
26. Mexico 36.8
27. Israel 36.0
28. Panama 33.0
29. Qatar 30.5
30. Dominican Republic 30.4
31. Korea 29.1
32. Jordan 24.5
33. Japan 24.1
37. Tunisia 18.4
47. Macedonia 10

Link: http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/eve...9/rankMen.html

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~~ Fiba 2011 Ranking~~

`Teams Competing with Lebanon:

Iran 83.1 pts
Nigeria 67.9
22-Venezuela 49
23-Lebanon 47.4
24-Canada 46.6
25-Dominican Republic 45.6
Jordan (between 33.8"2nd asia 2011" & 36.8pts"1st")
Tunisia 28.4
Macedonia 25
Great Britain 12pts

So Macedonia, Dominican, Jordan & S.Korea has the chance to surpass us if they Qualified for the Olympics.
-They will play in the pre-olympics next summer..


>>> 2012 FIBA World Olympic Qualifying Tournament (held between 2 July & 8 July)

Participating teams: Lithuania, Greece, Russia, Macedonia, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Venezuela, Angola, Nigeria, New Zealand, In addition to 2nd Asia & S.Korea.

For Lebanon to remain 23rd/24th in FIBA’s ranking these teams should not qualify to the Olympic (London 2012) Macedonia, Dominican Republic, S.Korea & Jordan. Venezuela currently has 49pts & we have a chance to surpass them in the near future (Asia 2013, WC 2014) so it’s better if they didn’t qualify same goes for Nigeria.

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Ranking DETAILS:

*Canada
- Canada were ranked (23) with (48.2) pts in 2010.

## 2011 Ranking = 2010 Ranking +FibaAmeria 2011 pts – FibaAmerica 2003 pts ##

- Fiba America 2003 Ranking: 4th

15 pts x 0.8 = - 12pts

- Fiba America 2011 Ranking: 6th

13 pts x 0.8 = 10.4pts

= 48.2 +10.4 -12 = 46.6pts
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* Dominican Republic
- Dominican Republic were ranked (30) with (30.4) pts in 2010.

## 2011 Ranking = 2010 Ranking +FibaAmeria 2011 pts – FibaAmerica 2003 pts ##

- Fiba America 2003 Ranking: 8th

11 pts x 0.8 = - 8.8pts

- Fiba America 2011 Ranking: 3rd

30pts x 0.8 = 24pts

= 30.4 +24 -8.8 = 45.6pts
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* Venezuela

- Venezuela were ranked (22) with (49) pts in 2010.
Venezuela were ranked 5th in Fiba America 2003 & 2011, so they will stay with 49pts.
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* Tunisia
- Tunisia were ranked (37) with (18.4) pts in 2010.

## 2011 Ranking = 2010 Ranking +FibaAfrica 2011 pts – FibaAfrica 2003 pts ##

- Fiba America 2003 Ranking: 6th

13pts x 0.2 = - 2.6pts

- Fiba America 2011 Ranking: 1st

50 pts x 0.2 = 10pts

= 18.4 +10 -2.6 = 25.8pts
But Tunisia will get @least (7x5)=35pts after Olympic games 2012 in London even if they got last place (12th) they will have more than (25.8+35)=60.8 pts > Lebanon, so they will surpass us.
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* Nigeria
- Nigeria ranked (21) with 69.7 pts in 2011 FIBA Ranking will loss Just 2pts & end 2011 with 67.7 pts.
FibaAfrica 2003: 2nd, FibaAfrica 2011: 3rd
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* Israel
- Israel were ranked (27) with (36) pts in 2010.

## 2011 Ranking = 2010 Ranking +FibaEurope 2011 pts – FibaEurope2003 pts ##

- FibaEurope 2003 Ranking: 7th

12pts x 1 = - 12pts

- FibaEurope 2011 Ranking: 13th

6 pts x 1 = 6pts

= 36 +6 -12 = 30pts.
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* Italy
- Italy were ranked (7) with (300) pts in 2010.

## 2011 Ranking = 2010 Ranking +FibaEurope 2011 pts – FibaEurope2003 pts ##

- FibaEurope 2003 Ranking: 3rd

30pts x 1 = - 30pts

- FibaEurope 2011 Ranking: 17th

2 pts x 1 = 2pts

= 300 +2 -30 = 272pts.
After the Olympic Games 2012, Italy will lose (40x5) = 200pts
Reason: They won the silver medal in 2004 but didn’t qualify in 2012.
Total(in 2012): 72pts

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* Macedonia
- Macedonia were ranked (47) with (10) pts in 2010.

## 2011 Ranking = 2010 Ranking +FibaEurope 2011 pts – FibaEurope2003 pts ##

- FibaEurope 2003 Ranking: not ranked (0pts)

- FibaEurope 2011 Ranking: 4th

15 pts x 1 = 15pts

= 10 +15 -0 = 25pts

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Great Britian also has a very gd chance to surpass Lebanon in Fibaranking, they will play in Olympic games as Hosts.. GB has 12pts (2011) this number could increase to @ least 47pts after the Olympic games!!

[planaria]

2005 - Copa América - Campeão (40 pontos)
2006 - Mundial - 19a colocação (5 pontos)
2007 - Copa América - 4a colocação (12 pontos)
2009 - Copa América - Campeão (40 pontos)
2010 - Mundial - 9a colocação (50 pontos)
2011 - Copa América - Vice-campeão (32 pontos)

That is 179 points for Brazil. So, why do we have 184 points in the FIBA rankings? Some could say my mistake?

[Dtown]

2005 - Copa América - Campeão (40 pontos)
2006 - Mundial - 19a colocação (5 pontos)
2007 - Copa América - 4a colocação (12 pontos)
2009 - Copa América - Campeão (40 pontos)
2010 - Mundial - 9a colocação (50 pontos)
2011 - Copa América - Vice-campeão (32 pontos)

That is 179 points for Brazil. So, why do we have 184 points in the FIBA rankings? Some could say my mistake?

Usually I'm the first with an answer, but after doing the math myself I came to the same conclusion. Someone at FIBA can't add apparently.

[mcruic]

I've ranked all teams who have played in official tournaments since 2000 using around 4,500 match results. The previous poster's perception about Finland being ranked below Rwanda, for example, shows that FIBA's ranking does not seem to be very good at showing current strength.

I have 210 teams ranked rather than 84 (and 164 women's teams instead of 72).

http://roonba.com/basketball/rank/world.html

If it's current strength you are looking for, I'd say mine was probably a better indicator. But FIBA's, of course, is the one that counts.

[madfann41]

Honestly did not except Mexico to be that high considering they could barely field a team to their own competition in the Pan-American Games.

[sinobball]

I've ranked all teams who have played in official tournaments since 2000 using around 4,500 match results. The previous poster's perception about Finland being ranked below Rwanda, for example, shows that FIBA's ranking does not seem to be very good at showing current strength.

I have 210 teams ranked rather than 84 (and 164 women's teams instead of 72).

http://roonba.com/basketball/rank/world.html

If it's current strength you are looking for, I'd say mine was probably a better indicator. But FIBA's, of course, is the one that counts.

China is 34 while Iran is 27? You said it's from 2000? Macedonia 10th? Philippines 55, Jordan 65 and Lebanon 70?

Edit: OK I see you have a system and I understand this is "current" and not cumulative (making the results more understandable) but I was wondering what games did you use to arrive at this ranking? Did you include friendlies? Because it's not clear from your explanation. For example, how did Guam get so many points? I cannot agree with Guam being 29 places before India, for example. But maybe you know something I don't. Only competition I remember Guam being in in recent years was 2009 East Asian Games when Hong Kong destroyed them by 20+ points.

[saalsapr]

China is 34 while Iran is 27? You said it's from 2000? Macedonia 10th? Philippines 55, Jordan 65 and Lebanon 70?

Edit: OK I see you have a system and I understand this is "current" and not cumulative (making the results more understandable) but I was wondering what games did you use to arrive at this ranking? Did you include friendlies? Because it's not clear from your explanation. For example, how did Guam get so many points? I cannot agree with Guam being 29 places before India, for example. But maybe you know something I don't. Only competition I remember Guam being in in recent years was 2009 East Asian Games when Hong Kong destroyed them by 20+ points.

Yeah an he has Puerto Rico ranked above Ivory Coast, and T&T. I call BS

Im just messing, I think its a good ranking, though Im surprised to see Argentina 5th, probably got their ranking affected for all the times they lost with the B team.

If they had played all tournaments with their full squad, no doubt Argentina would have been top 2 in these rankings.

Edit: Now that I actually read sinobball's post and checked the rankings again, Im also wondering why Macedonia is tenth when they where non-existant the past decade. If the tournament put them in the tenth spot, I would imagine that the Dominican Republic should be above Puerto Rico, and China above Iran.

[JGX]

Only competition I remember Guam being in in recent years was 2009 East Asian Games when Hong Kong destroyed them by 20+ points.

Welcome back.

Guam participates regularly in the Pacific Games. The ELO-type rating systems have their limitations, but anything is more sensible than FIBA's method.

The big problem with doing national team ratings is that teams often play without their full roster, even at major tournaments, so you either end up with ratings that reflect previous results but not necessarily the "true strength" of teams, or you start making arbitrary decisions about which results to exclude.

I gotta say, my rankings from a few years ago further up the thread, I nailed it with Macedonia at #17 even in the pre-McCalebb era

[Ciscorlie Horford]

Welcome back.

Guam participates regularly in the Pacific Games. The ELO-type rating systems have their limitations, but anything is more sensible than FIBA's method.

The big problem with doing national team ratings is that teams often play without their full roster, even at major tournaments, so you either end up with ratings that reflect previous results but not necessarily the "true strength" of teams, or you start making arbitrary decisions about which results to exclude.

but if you read the explanation it says that ELO is only like 1/4 of the ranking. I actually agree with 99.9.% of that ranking with the 0.01 exception being Bulgaria, Hungary and maybe, MAYBE, Italy. I think this ranking are just a bit inflated because they play in Europe.

and with the thing with China being ranked low (I don't think it is, I thinnk that's where they should go) it also says in the explanation of teh ranking that the quality of the team to play against matter, CHina plays in Asia, macedonia in Europe. so losing against Spain by 1 actually gives you points while beating Jordan by 5 takes points from you becuase of the "bad win" "good lost" situation.

[JGX]

but if you read the explanation it says that ELO is only like 1/4 of the ranking.

Apparently i read the explanation more closely than you.

[Ciscorlie Horford]

Apparently i read the explanation more closely than you.

don't hate on me cause I'm sexy

[mcruic]

China is 34 while Iran is 27? You said it's from 2000? Macedonia 10th? Philippines 55, Jordan 65 and Lebanon 70?

Edit: OK I see you have a system and I understand this is "current" and not cumulative (making the results more understandable) but I was wondering what games did you use to arrive at this ranking? Did you include friendlies? Because it's not clear from your explanation. For example, how did Guam get so many points? I cannot agree with Guam being 29 places before India, for example. But maybe you know something I don't. Only competition I remember Guam being in in recent years was 2009 East Asian Games when Hong Kong destroyed them by 20+ points.

Friendly matches and tournaments are not included. Only matches in official continental/world tournaments and also multi-sport events (like the East Asian Games, Pacific Games, etc.) Guam plays in the Pacific Games, and also in the Micronesian Games. However - you are right - I've included a 2009 tournament where Australia and NZ played Guam with their U-21 teams - so this has made Guam's ranking too high. I've taken these matches out of the ranking program and it should look more realistic now.

The ELO part of the rankings is one half of the total ranking figure.
The other half is the current form (results from last 10 matches only).

Like JGX says - teams don't always bring their full teams. But I've taken the stance that if it's a national team tournament, teams should bring their full team. The minute a ranking system says "we can't include this match because Team X brought their B team", then teams will want their matches taken out of the rankings every time they get a bad result, using the excuse that it wasn't their "full A team".

The ELO system itself does have a few flaws - the main one being that it is not accurate for teams who lose all the time (but not by many points). For example, let's imagine India lost only 70-69 to China. With the ELO ranking, China would gain points, and India would lose points. This just doesn't make sense. The end result is that the gap between China and India has got larger, but in reality, a result like this shows that the gap is smaller. So, with my system, I've modified the ELO rating to take this into account.

It's not perfect - no ranking system can be - but it's an attempt at doing something different.

About Macedonia being 10th - it's not just about where they finished in the tournament - it's about an average of all their recent results.

China finished ahead of Iran in the Asian Championship, but apart from Iran's defeat to Jordan, Iran had better results (For example, Iran beat Lebanon by 31 points, China beat them by 20, with home advantage - Iran beat South Korea by 17, China beat them by only 13).

Also, Dominican Republic finished ahead of Puerto Rico at the FIBA Americas Championship, but that was due to one game where they defeated Puerto Rico. In the previous game, Puerto Rico beat Dominican Republic in group play and in general, performed better than DR throughout the tournament.

[Ciscorlie Horford]

mcruic is there a possiblility that you include more sports?

specifically realy popular team sports like Volleyball and Baseball