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    FIBA Ranking updated, good move to Venezuela from 22 to 15 with a +7 same with the addition of several new pieces we have to keep improving:

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    Last 20 years (FIBA scoring system)
    1. USA 2194 11. ITA 531 21. NGR 222 31. JPN 76 41. ALG 40
    2. ESP 1560 12. TUR 477 22. VEN 220 32. PAN 75 42. UKR 39
    3. SRB 1357 13. CHN 438 23. MEX 146 33. ISR 72 43. FIN 36
    4. ARG 1282 14. GER 385 24. IRI 128 34. LAT 69 44. TPE 33
    5. LTU 987 15. PUR 370 25. DOM 126 35. GBR 69 45. MKD 33
    6. FRA 805 16. ANG 313 26. KOR 101 36. PHI 47 46. CZE 32
    7. RUS 718 17. CRO 311 27. LIB 96 37. JOR 46 47. CIV 31
    8. GRE 673 18. SLO 310 28. URU 94 38. QAT 45 48. BIH 29
    9. AUS 553 19. NZL 309 29. TUN 92 39. ISV 43 49. POL 28
    0. BRA 549 20. CAN 283 30. SEN 78 40. EGY 42 50. CUB 22

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    1. Usa - 819,6
    2. Spain - 693,2
    3. Serbia - 641
    4. France - 634,9
    5. Argentina - 615,5
    6. Lithuania - 615,4
    7. Slovenia - 512,6
    8. Croatia - 499,5
    9. Australia - 470,4
    10.brazil - 466,2
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    I find that the calculation of the classification is much more difficult than before ...
    I hope there will be other explanations than on this: http://www.fiba.basketball/documents...men/howitworks

    Otherwise the ranking seems to me rather good compared to some sports
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    Knew they would have to have a new ranking system now that their will be qualifying games. Seems vastly more complicated, but it should probably be more accurate going forward.
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    So, how did FIBA got to the current rankings using the new system? Did they calculate all the way back from 2010 or did they just calculate everything from 2016?

    The Philippines did drop 3 places, but it's still pretty high to me considering there are 149 countries to rank now compared to only 91 some time ago.

    I like the new ranking system overall, the rankings will become more accurate over time.
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    New ranking. US actually lost points since it looks like World Cup 2010 no longer counts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dtown View Post


    New ranking. US actually lost points since it looks like World Cup 2010 no longer counts.
    It seems the gulf between the US and Spain should be wider following 2016. I have to admit, I'm not familiar with the latest points system, but if Spain is given more deference because it's played more international games (2015 & 2017 Euros), than the system is skewed more towards participation than actual titles won.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Federoy View Post
    It seems the gulf between the US and Spain should be wider following 2016. I have to admit, I'm not familiar with the latest points system, but if Spain is given more deference because it's played more international games (2015 & 2017 Euros), than the system is skewed more towards participation than actual titles won.
    Gap shrunk because the 2010 FIBA world championship is not counted in the cycle anymore.
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    Now who on top?

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    Would anybody have the capacity to give a comprehension on how these rankings work? I expect it has something to do with the latest 20 years or something like that, similar to the football. To be totally frank, no offense Stuart anyway I don't confide in the US should be No - 1

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    New rankings out. USA holds onto the top spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steadysoul View Post
    New rankings out. USA holds onto the top spot.
    How is possible that Greece (656) is only 5 point below Serbia (661)?

    Year GRE SRB
    2013 10° 7°
    2014 9° 2°
    2015 5° 4°
    2016 DNP 2°
    2017 8° 2°
    2019 11° 5°

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    Quote Originally Posted by juli_rc View Post
    How is possible that Greece (656) is only 5 point below Serbia (661)?

    Year GRE SRB
    2013 10° 7°
    2014 9° 2°
    2015 5° 4°
    2016 DNP 2°
    2017 8° 2°
    2019 11° 5°
    The new FIBA rankings doesn't take into account the position of each team. It's actually an eight year circle of results. Each year FIBA removes results from a previous year in order to add the new ones. This time the results of 2010 have been removed ( i also think that the same happened with 2011 but i am not sure).

    Greece had almost the same results in these years (2010 and 2019). In this years World Cup both team lost two games. Both team lost one game from a higher ranking team(Spain and USA). Both teams lost one game from a lower ranking team (Argentina and Brazil), but Greece lost only by one point. This counts also. Finally Greece faced four teams that ranked in top 30, Serbia played against Philippines and Angola. Although Serbia crushed them both they collect lesser points than Greece's victory over Montenegro by 25.

    I think more or less that's how the new system Ranking works.

    P.S. Australia beat teams that were above them at Ranking. This helped Australia to climb in Rankings. In Olympic's draw it's quite possible that USA, Spain and Australia will be at pot 1.

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    Avatars: In the game, they become new avatars, with Spencer known a Smolder Bravestone (Dwayne Johnson), Bethany as Professor Shelly Oberon (Jack Black), Fridge as Mouse Finbar (Kevin Hart) and Martha as Ruby Roundhouse (Karen Gillan)
    Avatars: In the game, they become new avatars, with Spencer known a Smolder Bravestone (Dwayne Johnson), Bethany as Professor Shelly Oberon (Jack Black), Fridge as Mouse Finbar (Kevin Hart) and Martha as Ruby Roundhouse (Karen Gillan)

    When Bethany, Fridge and Martha come to check on Spencer, and are met by his grandfather Eddie (Danny DeVito) and his friend Milo (Danny Glover), they find out Spencer has gone back into the game.

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    Now Johnson's Smolder Bravestone is Eddie's avatar, with Hart's Mouse Finbar as Milo and Black's Shelly Oberon as Fridge's avatar this time, with Martha remaining as Gillan's Ruby Roundhouse, as they team up to find Spencer.

    New characters: When Bethany, Fridge and Martha come to check on Spencer, and are met by his grandfather Eddie (Danny DeVito) and his friend Milo (Danny Glover), they find out Spencer has gone back into the game
    New characters: When Bethany, Fridge and Martha come to check on Spencer, and are met by his grandfather Eddie (Danny DeVito) and his friend Milo (Danny Glover), they find out Spencer has gone back into the game

    Avatars: Now Johnson's Smolder Bravestone is Eddie's avatar, with Hart's Mouse Finbar as Milo and Black's Shelly Oberon as Fridge's avatar this time, with Martha remaining as Gillan's Ruby Roundhouse
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulis79 View Post
    The new FIBA rankings doesn't take into account the position of each team. It's actually an eight year circle of results. Each year FIBA removes results from a previous year in order to add the new ones. This time the results of 2010 have been removed ( i also think that the same happened with 2011 but i am not sure).

    Greece had almost the same results in these years (2010 and 2019). In this years World Cup both team lost two games. Both team lost one game from a higher ranking team(Spain and USA). Both teams lost one game from a lower ranking team (Argentina and Brazil), but Greece lost only by one point. This counts also. Finally Greece faced four teams that ranked in top 30, Serbia played against Philippines and Angola. Although Serbia crushed them both they collect lesser points than Greece's victory over Montenegro by 25.

    I think more or less that's how the new system Ranking works.

    P.S. Australia beat teams that were above them at Ranking. This helped Australia to climb in Rankings. In Olympic's draw it's quite possible that USA, Spain and Australia will be at pot 1.
    How FIBA is counting is mystery to me.Why Greece is still nr. 7? Greece NT didnt made a single semifinal , no medals , missed last 2 olympics in last 8years fiba are counting.Lithuania nr. 8 in rankings won 2 medals, 3 semifinal, qualified to both Olympics in last 8 years.

    Lithuania NT took better places in 2011,2012,2013,2014,2015,2016,2019 over Greece NT.

    Greece took better place only in 2017 .

    It must be related to youth results or something ,because there is no ground for Greece men NT be higher than Lithuania men NT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawshank View Post
    How FIBA is counting is mystery to me.Why Greece is still nr. 7? Greece NT didnt made a single semifinal , no medals , missed last 2 olympics in last 8years fiba are counting.Lithuania nr. 8 in rankings won 2 medals, 3 semifinal, qualified to both Olympics in last 8 years.

    Lithuania NT took better places in 2011,2012,2013,2014,2015,2016,2019 over Greece NT.

    Greece took better place only in 2017 .

    It must be related to youth results or something ,because there is no ground for Greece men NT be higher than Lithuania men NT.


    You should get more familiar with the new ranking formula. It is not just about placement in a competition, it is now more about who you beat, where you beat them (home, away, neutral floor), by how much, in what level competition (WC, Olys, Qualifiers, Regional Tournaments) and when. They are really dropping the weighting of late years results too - so even if the results from 2011 or 2012 are included in the formula they matter far less than the most recent results.

    Beating teams ranked ahead of you gets a nice bonus kicker - who has Lithuania beaten ranked ahead of them in the last 2-3 years? Greece split with Serbia in the WC Qualifiers - that win for a lower ranked Greece mattered more in the point formula than higher ranked Serbia beating Greece

    It is a mathematical formula that you could re-create in Excel to verify if you really wanted. No manipulation of results going on and has nothing to do with youth results.

    Here are the details:
    http://www.fiba.basketball/documents...men/howitworks
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