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    It's about impact and leaving an impression in people's minds , despite the given the Football is more popular than basketball globally. It's not news outside SEA if the Phil wins the Susuki cup, or is news that a SEA team (AzKals) win the bronze medal in the Asian games for football. (it's not something new or news worthy for people outside the region, it's like Ginebra winning the PBA all Filipino cup, no one outside the Philippines really cares) But Gilas qualiying for the world cup or Olympics , while not as popular a sport as football, does leave a lasting impression on people's mind outside of the region, people in Spain took notice when the Philippine played in the WC, so did basketball fans (however small) in the US (we were signthed in their press) , Aus and NZ take notice. Now tell me do you think a football Real Madrid fan wll even know or care if the Azkals win the Suzuki cup nope i don't think so

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    It's about impact and leaving an impression in people's minds , despite the given the Football is more popular than basketball globally. It's not news outside SEA if the Phil wins the Susuki cup, or is news that a SEA team (AzKals) win the bronze medal in the Asian games for football. (it's not something new or news worthy for people outside the region, it's like Ginebra winning the PBA all Filipino cup, no one outside the Philippines really cares) But Gilas qualiying for the world cup or Olympics , while not as popular a sport as football, does leave a lasting impression on people's mind outside of the region, people in Spain took notice when the Philippine played in the WC, so did basketball fans (however small) in the US (we were signthed in their press) , Aus and NZ take notice. Now tell me do you think a football Real Madrid fan wll even know or care if the Azkals win the Suzuki cup nope i don't think so
    Basketball fans will only care about what happens in Basketball, in the same vein that Football fans will only care about Football. If Real Madrid fans care less about what happens with the Azkals in the Suzuki Cup, how much less what happens to Gilas in the FIBA WC?

    As for the Azkals' achievements in the Suzuki Cup, you can be sure it has an impact on the entire SEA. On the other hand, no matter how many times Gilas wins the SEA Basketball title, nobody in SEA cares about it. The Azkals' achievements in the Suzuki Cup will reverberate across the entire SEA while the same is never true whatever Gilas' achievements are in any major SEA Basketball tournament.

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    You're mistaken , Real Madrid football fans won't care about the Azkals in the Suzuki cup becuase it has no relevance to the league and players they follow, a Spaniard basketball fan on the other hand will and has taken notice of Gilas, because Gilas actually played in the same tournament and place (Spain) where their idols who they follow played ( world cup) . Here is a clear example good friend from Madrid Spain Sergio Ronas is an avid Real Madrid football fan, he knows nothing about or cares about the Azkals despite being a football fan, but because of Gilas playing in the world cup he is now an avid Gilas fan , check his twitter post https://twitter.com/s9rgio/status/65...51877037989888

    However small in numbers ( basketball fans in Europe do take notice of other national teams (Gilas) that play in the world stage or major leagues ( Clarkson etc), but practically no (zero ) real Madrid or European fan will ever follow the Azkals unless they enter the world stage or relevance. (it's that simple)

    I agree however on you point of the impact Azkals can make within SEA, it's simple logic anytime you win in the region or level, in a popular sport fans follow in the region, you make an impact. but since it's regional competion and low level (not world) it's impact is limited within , not outside
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    Quote Originally Posted by analyzed View Post
    You're mistaken , Real Madrid football fans won't care about the Azkals in the Suzuki cup becuase it has no relevance to the league and players they follow, a Spaniard basketball fan on the other hand will and has taken notice of Gilas, because Gilas actually played in the same tournament and place (Spain) where their idols who they follow played ( world cup) . Here is a clear example good friend from Madrid Spain Sergio Ronas is an avid Real Madrid football fan, he knows nothing about or cares about the Azkals despite being a football fan, but because of Gilas playing in the world cup he is now an avid Gilas fan , check his twitter post https://twitter.com/s9rgio/status/65...51877037989888

    However small in numbers ( basketball fans in Europe do take notice of other national teams (Gilas) that play in the world stage or major leagues ( Clarkson etc), but practically no (zero ) real Madrid or European fan will ever follow the Azkals unless they enter the world stage or relevance. (it's that simple)

    I agree however on you point of the impact Azkals can make within SEA, it's simple logic anytime you win in the region or level, in a popular sport fans follow in the region, you make an impact. but since it's regional competion and low level (not world) it's impact is limited within , not outside
    Well the last time I checked, Real Madrid has obviously has more than just "one" fan, in fact they have hundreds of millions around the world, so one guy definitely cannot speak for the entire Real Madrid fanbase in terms of following Gilas.

    Also to me it doesn't make sense when you say that Real Madrid fans would rather follow Gilas than the Azkals. I understand that is your opinion and not necessarily based on logic, but its a sweeping statement that to me is clearly wrong. Real Madrid conducted a Football Clinic here in the Philippines just last month, and that act clearly puts not only the Philippines but the Azkals itself on the Philippine map.

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    You read wrong: Didn't say Real Madrid fans will follow Gilas. I said basketball fans in Spain or outside SEA would follow a team (e.g. Gilas) if they become relevant to the competiton ( World cup of basketball) where the fans follow the game . That's simple logic. If an Estonian player somehow played in the PBA , yes PBA fans would follow or notice him.
    In the same way the Azkals will only be followed by football fans outside of SEA if they become relevant to the competition that the fans follow (e.g. World cup qualifications, La Liga or whatever) , as of now while football is the # 1 most followed sport, no fan outside of their competition wil follow or care about teams that are not relevant to them. You're a football fan, but do you follow football in some remote country that is unranked or has no significance to the leagues you follow? say a football team from Kiribati a coutry in the pacific ocean? I don't think so, why would you, they're not relevant , even if you're a football fan. How logical is that

    Yes you're correct the Azkals are in the Philippne map, but not in the world map of football or anywhere in the minds of fans in europe , they're irrelevant outside of SEA. While Gilas is indeed in the world basketball map, (however small the population size of the global hoop fans are compared to soccer)
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    How can European Football fans be not aware of the Philippines and the Azkals when there are so many opportunities for them to do so?

    Neil Etheridge played for Fulham in the English Premiere League while Stephan Schrock played for Hoffenheim in the Bundesliga. Are you going to tell me that people were not the least bit curious about the Azkals when they were there?

    David Alaba carried the Philippine Flag around his waist when Bayern Munich won the UEFA Champions League a couple of years ago, you think European fans didn't care about the Philippines at all after that?

    Chelsea has an OFFICIAL Football School here in the Philippines run by the Younghusband brothers. Manchester United has done some Football Clinics here, while Real Madrid and FC Barcelona conduct Football Clinics in the Philippines on an ANNUAL basis. Sandro Reyes was taken in by FC Barcelona's La Masia School a couple of years ago.

    There are so many ways for major Football Clubs in Europe have participated in the Philippines, so it is absurd to insist that Gilas is more famous to Football fans in Europe than the Azkals, LMAO.

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    Again you read wrong: never said "football" fans in Europe would follow Gilas more than Azkals, I said there would be more Europeans interested in Gilas , simply because however small the number of basketball fans there are in Europe, they will find Gilas relevant to world basketball. As popular as football is in Europe , Azlals are not relevant to the average European football fan. Yes they may be curious , just like they are curious to any SEA country or low ranked country , but it's simply not relevant enough to follow. I consider myself huge global basketball fan, but at most i probably would only follow or be interested in basketball for about 50 countries tops. Why would I care what the basketball league in Myranmar does, it's irrelevant to me. Same way Philippine football is irrelevant to the average Global fan outside of SEA.
    Like i said do you follow the football scene Kirbati? why would you? you might be curious at the level of play , just like a soccer fan in Europe would be curious with the Azkals but certainly not follow it.

    The Lakers might hold a clinic in Thailand to expand it's brand and awareness. but does that mean the average Laker fan follows Thailand basketball, Nope ! Being in the Philippines I can understand why you would like to think, football fans around the world follow pinoy soccer, sorry to burst your pride in the Pinoy game. they don't !

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    Simply put, a sports nation needs to put good teams and win many games in international tournaments to get their brand of sport recognized throughout the world.

    Nobody would ever follow Philippine basketball if the Gilas program hasn't been successful all these years. Now we have finally climbed our way back to the top of Asian basketball and giving some of the best teams in the world quite the scare in the Worlds last year, more basketball fans around the world are starting to follow the Philippine brand of basketball.

    Likewise, the fastest way for the Philippine brand of football is for the Azkals to qualify for the World Cup, plain and simple as that.
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    Exactly, to put it in simple terms Philippine basketball is more recognized globally than Philippine football , despite Football being much more popular globally. You can go anywhere in the world to see the Philippines is associated to basketball. (that's what we're known for)

    I live in NZ, where Football is actually the most participated sport (yes even ahead of Rugby) in terms of popularity it probably is 2nd to rugby (yes ahead of cricket and netball), Basketball is not in the picture as a major sport. But if you did a quick survey and asked any random person (I actually did this) , What do you think of Philippine football? Then you ask another question what do you think of Philippine basketball? For the 1st question , even football fans normally say I don't know anything about Philippine football. they're clueless. Now as to the 2nd question : the common answer is : Philippine basketball must be popular cause i always see many pinoy kids playing the game. Now for the NZ / Kiwi basketball fan, there is instant awareness and recognition. They will say stuff like you got fast guards, they did pretty well in the World cup I heard, or doesn't Blatche play for them?
    You see simple fact: Philippine basketball is more popular than Philippine football globally (period)

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    And just like that, Yemen might just have blown the Azkals' World Cup dreams into smithereens. PYH's quality midfielding was sorely missed, as well as Etheridge's alertness between the posts. If they continue to have those deficiencies in finishing possessions, we might not even see them in the Asian Cup.
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    ^^
    If Yemen can do the same to the Philippines in basketball, you can bet no one outside the Philippines would care about Pinoy basketball

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    I was looking at the other thread where another forum member brought up the "big fish in a small pond" mentality.

    With all due respect, this mindset doesn't just involve basketball, which the member claims is a small pond compared to the Pacific Ocean that world football is. Carrying the metaphor further, the member might as well refer to other sports like baseball, rugby union, volleyball, or softball as small ponds where we have been big fish.

    This exclusivist way of thinking has rankled multi-sports fans like me. There is indeed a scarcity of resources, but when you look at these other sports, we have historically produced very good national teams with very little funding. If one is to advocate a more equitable distribution of funds, one might as well lobby for these other sports too. One can easily replace "Azkals" with "Volcanoes" or "Blu Boys" in each of the posts, but I don't see that sort of thinking here.

    Let's face it -- for all the resources being poured into the Azkals' development, such as off-shore training camps, new kits, scouting, and recruitment, they have very little to show for it. Which is a bit disappointing, because I was actually rooting for them to finally get bragging rights in Southeast Asia. Now they can't even beat Yemen, and I don't think the lack of funding is still to blame for the very poor finishes lately.

    I'm still hoping for a miracle, much like everyone was doing in 2013. The Asian Cup is still within reach, but the Azkals and their fans have to dig in deep. It's going to be a long journey, maybe even longer than the journey Gilas fans embarked upon in 2009.
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    Philippines defeated North Korea 3-2. North Korea is probably the team with the highest reputation that the Azkals has beaten; North Korea made the World Cup in 2010.

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    With that historic win against North Korea, we placed 3rd in the group and we move on to the third round of qualifications for the 2019 AFC Asian Cup.
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