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    I agree with the posters who said that winning when it matters is also a VERY important factor.

    I don't think France or Russia would have beaten Greece in K.O. games. Similarily, I think that Slovenia would have beaten Greece in regular group games. Just like they beat Serbia, but eventually lost in the semi's.

    When games matter, some teams perform better and some team perform worse. Teams like Greece or Serbia perform better. Teams like Slovenia and France perform worse. This is what history tells us and this is what this tournament has confirmed once more.

    Argentina usualy sucks in group games, but you don't want to meat them in K.O. games.

    You know the expression.

    "When the going gets tough, the tough gets going"

    So I don't care what some of you think. The heart of a Champion is more important that attractive basketball.

    So this is my list:
    1. Spain
    2. Serbia/Greece
    4. France/Slovenia/Turkey/Croatia
    8. Russia
    9. Germany
    10.Lithuania
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain CAAAVEMAAAAANNN!! View Post
    I think you have to keep working on your mind reading powers. The thing is the standings don't necesarily reflect the level of the teams. I mean, if Serbia and France were both stopped by the same team, why is one of them in the podium while the other one ended fifth? That's the story, ranking the teams based on actual play, not on final standings.
    U r absolutely right also Serbia defeated Spain on this tournament.Does it mean we r better.A lot of luck for Spain on WC also could have lost to Argentina in the semis,didnt play team US for medals,finals against very very tired Greek heroes. And finals against very tired Serbs in this EC. U guys have the best of luck these recent years . But its OK,u lost so many in the past.

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    Are Saras and Siska playing in Turkey 2010 and Eurobasket 2011? Saras is already 33 and Siska is 31. After Saras, Siska, Lavrinovic era, I think Lithuania will have hard time being a top level team. Who do they have that have potential to be great players between 85-92 born kids? Kleiza? Don't even make me laugh... Such a loser...

    Same goes to Spain in my opinion. Serbia though, keeps the new generation coming and they will always do well.

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    Šiškauskas already retired from the NT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by son_of_a_Turk View Post
    Are Saras and Siska playing in Turkey 2010 and Eurobasket 2011? Saras is already 33 and Siska is 31. After Saras, Siska, Lavrinovic era, I think Lithuania will have hard time being a top level team. Who do they have that have potential to be great players between 85-92 born kids? Kleiza? Don't even make me laugh... Such a loser...

    Same goes to Spain in my opinion. Serbia though, keeps the new generation coming and they will always do well.
    Tnx....

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    1 - Spain
    2 - Slovenia
    3 - Greece, Türkiye, Serbia
    6 - France
    7 - Croatia
    8 - Russia
    9 - Poland
    10 - Germany
    11 - Lithuania
    12 - FYROM
    13 - Latvia
    14 - Great Britain,
    15 - İsrael
    16 - Bulgaria
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    What a moronic thread...

    There is a rank, the tournament gave it to us.

    Everything else is just flamebait and a chance from some people to exercise their hate patterns...

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    1. Spain
    2. Serbia
    3. Greece
    4. Slovenia
    5. France
    6. Croatia
    7. Russia
    8. Turkey
    9. FYROM
    -. Poland
    10. Germany
    -. Lithuania
    13. Great Britain
    -. Israel
    -. Bulgatia
    -. Latvia

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    Quote Originally Posted by rikhardur View Post
    Šiškauskas already retired from the NT.
    I wonder why the FIBA choose him to make the promotion spot for the WC in Turkey.....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KWSN-Men View Post
    What a moronic thread...

    There is a rank, the tournament gave it to us.

    Everything else is just flamebait and a chance from some people to exercise their hate patterns...
    LOL

    My thoughts exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KWSN-Men View Post
    What a moronic thread...

    There is a rank, the tournament gave it to us.

    Everything else is just flamebait and a chance from some people to exercise their hate patterns...
    You've couldn't said it better...
    Moronic indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KWSN-Men View Post
    What a moronic thread...

    There is a rank, the tournament gave it to us.

    Everything else is just flamebait and a chance from some people to exercise their hate patterns...
    Well, that's what we actually do in basketball forums, we rank players and teams, we make wrong predictions and multiple choice polls and if our team loses we blame the bad weather.
    If you don't like it you can still eat your boogers or whatever you like to do in your free time.

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    This year shows a miss balance among many Europeans teams

    Spain was playing alone in a special level and the other teams lower than Spain

    I can rank Euro2009 as following:
    First Level- Spain
    2nd Level- Serbia/Greece/France/Slovenia/Turkey/Croatia
    3rd Level- Russia/Germany/Lithuania

    and the rest was below average

    Imagine by how many times scores was above 20 points... This is ridiculous ..many games ..
    I noticed also many teams were coming only to participate and not to play BB
    Many teams are old.. No stars except few.. Not too many ..

    But I noticed good defense from almost teams instead a week offense

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    1. Spain
    2. Slovenia - injuries, less rest then their two opponents twice, had the hardest groups, and still lost just 3 games - twice in overtime and once by 1 point.
    3. Serbia - also from the hardest group, but had luck getting Russia in quoter-finals.
    4. Turkey - I really didn't consider them that high before the tournament, and they didn't even win this spot, but this team had 3 toughest games in the second stage, won against the two finalists and where really close to win against Slovenia. And after these hard games they had 1 day of rest when Greece got 2.
    5. Greece - their only impressive win was vs Turkey (Slovenia's players where almost dead in the last game) and maybe Croatia (easy win)
    6. France - has a lot of talent but when Parker plays dominant PG it is a team that beats easily weak teams due to physical advantages but better teams know how to stop them. But as somebody told me, no coach would have courage to makes something different.
    7. Lithuania
    8. Croatia
    9. Russia
    10. Great Britain - had no luck to be in a group with the 3 best teams in the first round, and gave fight. Even where 3 minutes away from making the biggest upset ever. Maybe should be even higher.
    11. . Poland - without the home advantage.
    12. Germany
    13. -Israel - with Green injured we are no higher then this. Maybe could be advance due to easy group if some things would happen differently, but still, we where out-rebounded by everyone.
      - FYROM - The fans where really grate, the team made some nice things when their opponents gave them a chance but couldn't do much more.
      - Latvia
      - Bulgatia

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    Both Slovenia and Greece played the whole tournament with a 7-8 player roster. Both teams played in the smallfinal tired (Bright examples, Lakovic, Spanouilis) and one won. The same one that won 2 year ago.

    Greece also beat Turkey in a close game and Croatia by a wide margin.

    So Greece beat Slovenia (your number two), Turkey (your number 4).

    Turkey also lost games for positions 5-8. Did you rate the basketball level there too?

    I dont understand what some people consider "great basketball". I really dont.

    How do you define great basketball? Is it great defence? Winning mentality? Rebounding? or is it no look passes? or maybe impressive alley hoop dunks? or even behind the back assists..

    Dont get me wrong both definitions are great, the first one usually is the team that wins, the second is Harlem Globetrotters.

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    1. How is it 7-8 roaster for Greece?
    You had full roaster available.

    Slovenia had no guards. Spanulis didn't played as much as Lakovic, not even close and it doesn't matter how deep was the roaster. You also could use Calathes ever more before the semi. If you would ask who Slovania missed more Dragic or Smodish the answer will be Dragic, and that tells the story.
    Klobucar was a pure damage every second he was on the court and they still tried again and again because they desperately needed another guard that can bring the ball to the half.
    And As I said, Slovenia had tougher group and less day of rest (twice).

    2. Turkey didn't need the ranking games because they already qualified to the WC as the hosters. Iliasova even didn't play on the last one.

    And again, we are not talking here only about who won against who (because then we just need to look about the final standings) but evaluating the quality considering the circumstances (rest, luck with opponents etc)

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    Btw, I wonder weather Lakovic mad some records in categories of playing times in N days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ip84 View Post
    And As I said, Slovenia had tougher group and less day of rest (twice).
    Slovenia played QFs same day with Greece (Friday). Then semis & 3rd place match again same day as Greece. How were they more tired that Greece was??

    Also, since you brought up the guards issue, my argument is that Greece has really been playing without a true playmaker for the entire tournament.
    The two main point guards (Pap, 3D) were out and greece had to manage with Spanoulis (who is not a PG), Zissis (again, not a PG), Kalabokis & Calathes (1st time ever in international competition) to get rolling.

    I'm sure that those who know basketball will agree with me that changing a PG in your team is even more important than changing the coach. So, just the fact that Greece got a medal is quite important from that perspective.

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    Best Euro Team: The strongest players

    Tony Parker (France) 183-G-80 San Antonio Spurs USA
    Vassilis Spanoulis (Greece) 193-G-82 Panathinaikos Athens Greece
    Nando De Colo (France) 202-G-87 Valencia B.C. Spain
    Ricard Rubio (Spain) 192-G-90 Regal FC Barcelona

    Milan Macvan (Seriba) 205-F/C-89 KK Hemofarm Stada Vrsac Serbia
    Primoz Brezec (Slovenia) 216-F/C-79 Philadelphia 76ers USA
    Felipe Reyes (Spain) 203-F/C-80 Real Madrid Spain

    Pau Gasol (Spain) 214-F/C-80 Los Angeles Lakers USA
    Sofoklis Schortsanitis (Greece) 206-C-85 Olympiakos S.F.P. Pireus Greece
    Dmitry Sokolov (Russia) 212-C-85 CSKA Moscow Russia

    Please share with me your opinions ....and If this team can beat USA Dream team

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalashnikov View Post
    Slovenia played QFs same day with Greece (Friday). Then semis & 3rd place match again same day as Greece. How were they more tired that Greece was??

    Also, since you brought up the guards issue, my argument is that Greece has really been playing without a true playmaker for the entire tournament.
    The two main point guards (Pap, 3D) were out and greece had to manage with Spanoulis (who is not a PG), Zissis (again, not a PG), Kalabokis & Calathes (1st time ever in international competition) to get rolling.

    I'm sure that those who know basketball will agree with me that changing a PG in your team is even more important than changing the coach. So, just the fact that Greece got a medal is quite important from that perspective.
    Greece was in the group that started playing before, at the game of Greece vs Spain "finished" very quickly plus Calathes played a lot there instead while the game of Slovania vs Serbia was with OT.
    Your team don't having a PG or a player/s who make good decisions is excellently one of your problems that make you IMO not good as the reams I mentioned before. Of course I thing Calathes will be grate maybe next time (and I will show everybody that I got a picture with him ), but he is still young and unexperienced and was very confidential in this tournament.
    Slovenia whoever had one PG but he was extremely tired because of the system and injuries. In certain point they tried to use Lakovic less as playmaker and only to bring the ball to the half to reduce the burden from him. E.Lorbek who himself played I think not less then Spanulis (and he is a center) was taking a lot on himself not only in scoring but also in creating.

    But I liked your fans very much. In Poznan in one of the games of Greeca and at the first game at Bydogoshcz I intentionally came to seat inside them. They are organised, has some leaders who control everything. I have some pictures of them that I can send to those who want and will send me their mail in PM

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