No one dominates in the Euroleague. And that would include Kobe and anyone else. It's not like the NBA where one player has 90% of all calls on offense just for him.
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Err...really hard question, but I would go for Eurobasket teams. Yes, top Euroleague teams has 2 or 3 super stars and a pretty long bench, but such teams like Spain, Lithuania, Slovenia, Serbia (if they would take all their best) have a full roster of really quality players. Did you see the team of Gasol, Navarro, Calderon, Rudy, Garbajosa in Euroleague (and the worst player is Lull, one of the leaders of Real Madrid?)? Or Šaras, Šiškauskas, Macijauskas, Šombergas, Songaila? I don't think so. Top national teams can bring the most talent that could not do any Euroleague team.LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:
Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
Buzelis, Lelevicius
Murauskas, Sirvydis
Tubelis, Krivas
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Originally posted by Morente View PostVery good player, would be stars for any euroleague team. But I think they wouldn't dominate as Gasol, Bryant, Nowitzki would.
Add Rudy to PAO, and you'll get a better team; add Gasol or Nowitzki to PAO, and well, you can imagine what could happen. Probably they would destroy every other team.
Maybe I am wrong, but I really think it would be that way.
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This is a pointless discussion since most of the Eurobasket players play for a Euroleague team. I would go with the Eurobasket teams though cause money cant buy that.
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Originally posted by Straight forward View PostErr...really hard question, but I would go for Eurobasket teams. Yes, top Euroleague teams has 2 or 3 super stars and a pretty long bench, but such teams like Spain, Lithuania, Slovenia, Serbia (if they would take all their best) have a full roster of really quality players. Did you see the team of Gasol, Navarro, Calderon, Rudy, Garbajosa in Euroleague (and the worst player is Lull, one of the leaders of Real Madrid?)? Or Šaras, Šiškauskas, Macijauskas, Šombergas, Songaila? I don't think so. Top national teams can bring the most talent that could not do any Euroleague team.
I'm talking about this Eurobasket. And the players you' ve mentioned belonged to winning teams of the Eurobasket. In any case, Saras, Diamantidis, Spanoulis, Pekovic, Batiste, Nicholas, Fotsis, Tepic, Tsartsaris coached by Obradovic would give the above teams a good run for their money. Gasol is the difference of these teams.PAO EUROPEAN CHAMPION 1996 - 2000 - 2002 - 2007 - 2009 - 2011
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Originally posted by Victorious View PostI'm talking about this Eurobasket. And the players you' ve mentioned belonged to winning teams of the Eurobasket. In any case, Saras, Diamantidis, Spanoulis, Pekovic, Batiste, Nicholas, Fotsis, Tepic, Tsartsaris coached by Obradovic would give the above teams a good run for their money. Gasol is the difference of these teams.LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:
Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
Buzelis, Lelevicius
Murauskas, Sirvydis
Tubelis, Krivas
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Originally posted by Morente View PostI don't agree at all.
First of all, I think Spain would demolish every Euroleague team. They are so talented and have Pau Gasol, that would dominate almost every team.
Also I would say, add a healthy Pau Gasol to any Euroleague top team, and I think that team would dominate as well...
Also, remove Pau gasol from Spain and they would be on a similar level than the Euroleague top teams.
And when I say Pau Gasol I can say any major star from the NBA. Not good role players as Rudy, Turkoglu, Okur..., I am talking about real stars like Nowitzki, Gasol, Bryant...
In some sense I agree with you, a national team with no superstars would be at best on the same level where top Euroleague teams are.
Call Turkoglu and Okur whatever you want. You can call them stars or very good role players, but they are definitely on a higher level than Fernandez, especially Turkoglu...
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Originally posted by Morente View PostI don't agree at all.
First of all, I think Spain would demolish every Euroleague team. They are so talented and have Pau Gasol, that would dominate almost every team.
Also I would say, add a healthy Pau Gasol to any Euroleague top team, and I think that team would dominate as well...
Also, remove Pau gasol from Spain and they would be on a similar level than the Euroleague top teams.
And when I say Pau Gasol I can say any major star from the NBA. Not good role players as Rudy, Turkoglu, Okur..., I am talking about real stars like Nowitzki, Gasol, Bryant...
In some sense I agree with you, a national team with no superstars would be at best on the same level where top Euroleague teams are.Originally posted by StardustedIt was not a ref mistake, it was a ref decision.
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Originally posted by mark123 View PostLakers without Kobe and with Pau on roster would not be a very serious NBA team.Certainly not the title contender.
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Originally posted by FIBA Europe Basket View PostI disagree. Overall I think the EuroBasket is stronger. Granted a team like PAO would probably beat the Spanish national team, but you can't just go by the level of the teams at the top. The Euroleague becomes a lot more predictable I think where you can almost pick the final four correctly before each season. Much harder to do that in the EuroBasket.
Last 3 Euroleagues, 8 different teams made it to the final four
Originally posted by FIBA Europe Basket View PostNo one dominates in the Euroleague. And that would include Kobe and anyone else. It's not like the NBA where one player has 90% of all calls on offense just for him.
Anyway, I think the most direct and realistic comparison can be made through Panathinaikos-Greece NT
Both teams have 3 players in common. Spanoulis, Perperoglou, Fotsis and if you add Calathes 4.
Panathinaikos won the Euroleague with a 12 men squad and Greek NT won the bronze medal with just 3-4 of those 12.
If we replace some or all Greece NT players with the likes of Saras, Pekovic, Batiste, Nicholas, Diamantides etc I think Greece would do much better. Not neccesarily beat Spain (I think Spain would beat PAO in fact) but make the final and put up a hard fight.
Damn, add only Diamantides and Tsartsaris and you get yourself a better team in any case.
Therefore I vote Euroleague>Eurobasket.Last edited by ArkadiosV2; 09-21-2009, 10:48 PM.
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Originally posted by mark123 View PostLakers without Kobe and with Pau on roster would not be a very serious NBA team.Certainly not the title contender.
On the other hand, Turkoglu and Okur are much better players than Fernández.
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Originally posted by Point_Guard View PostVery true. But, do you remember where Kobe and the lakers were before Pau arrived? After Shaq left LA, Kobe and the lakers were unable to reach the second round in the Play offs.
Originally posted by parsoGomelsky doesn't know @@@@ about basketballOriginally posted by sseppelit's not asking too much for someone to know where the fuck he is.Originally posted by UMUT_FB_LALScola makes me wanna touch myself, no homo
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