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    Hey, guys.
    This is my first time posting a new thread and I just wanted to discuss the subject of naturalizing players, we don't see this kind of stuff really in other basketball continents but it seems to be a great problem in Asia which is really sad, instead of trying harder to make your own players better you just take some random-player from some other country and make him a fellow countrymen...

    Why are some of you guys supporting Lebanon, Jordan and Qatar's cheating? Is it really okey that Lebanon first brought in Vogel (0% lebanese) and now Jackson Vroman? Is it really okey that Jordan brought in Wright and I won't even start on Qatar..

    I'm most disappointed with Lebanon to be honest, they have a great basketball culture and sure, it's only been Vogel and Vroman thus far if I've got the story right but are they really that insecure about themselves that they feel that the only way they can compete is to buy in former nba-players?

    Jordan as well, what the hell is the point of having Wright kicking som asian butt when the dude's not even asian or have zero connections with Asia?

    No, I for sure know that this will be the last basketball tournament at NT-level in Asia I will watch and I sure as hell will cheer for the honest and hardworkings teams, China and Iran. They atleast are proud people and they are good without having to buy in players..

    This wasn't meant to hate on you lebanese guys (I've seen many of you guys around here) but don't think it's lame that your basketballprogram is buying in ballers just like that? Ok, I think what Qatar is doing is freaking terrible but they suck, they really do. And Jordan isn't on the same level and they don't have the same basketball-culture as you guys...

    Oh, well.. I hope no one will be offended but lets hope for some iranian and chinese asswhoopin'!

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    Well Olajuwon , when you start topics, and start accusations, make sure of your facts before using arguments like that .

    1- Other continents don't do such things ?
    Let me give you examples":

    France : AFRICAN players

    USA : Rony Seikaly , lebanese player, has been naturalized to play with U.sA,
    and to be ironic, referring to your name, HAkeem OLAJUWON also was naturalized to play with the U.S.A

    2- It s a FIBA law that allows it. Deal with it, complain to FIBA. When rules are not broken , no one is a cheater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by olajuwon View Post
    Hey, guys.
    This is my first time posting a new thread and I just wanted to discuss the subject of naturalizing players, we don't see this kind of stuff really in other basketball continents but it seems to be a great problem in Asia which is really sad, instead of trying harder to make your own players better you just take some random-player from some other country and make him a fellow countrymen...

    Why are some of you guys supporting Lebanon, Jordan and Qatar's cheating? Is it really okey that Lebanon first brought in Vogel (0% lebanese) and now Jackson Vroman? Is it really okey that Jordan brought in Wright and I won't even start on Qatar..

    I'm most disappointed with Lebanon to be honest, they have a great basketball culture and sure, it's only been Vogel and Vroman thus far if I've got the story right but are they really that insecure about themselves that they feel that the only way they can compete is to buy in former nba-players?

    Jordan as well, what the hell is the point of having Wright kicking som asian butt when the dude's not even asian or have zero connections with Asia?

    No, I for sure know that this will be the last basketball tournament at NT-level in Asia I will watch and I sure as hell will cheer for the honest and hardworkings teams, China and Iran. They atleast are proud people and they are good without having to buy in players..

    This wasn't meant to hate on you lebanese guys (I've seen many of you guys around here) but don't think it's lame that your basketballprogram is buying in ballers just like that? Ok, I think what Qatar is doing is freaking terrible but they suck, they really do. And Jordan isn't on the same level and they don't have the same basketball-culture as you guys...

    Oh, well.. I hope no one will be offended but lets hope for some iranian and chinese asswhoopin'!
    we are sooo strong that all people are just talking about us... good for us... GOOOO LEBANON

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    And again:




    When you make such a stupid topic, you're not discussing, you're doing something else.

    Plus, nothing is illegal. It's all by the rules. And it's very common everywhere.
    You don't like it? Go cry somewhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lord-patrick View Post
    Well Olajuwon , when you start topics, and start accusations, make sure of your facts before using arguments like that .

    1- Other continents don't do such things ?
    Let me give you examples":

    France : AFRICAN players

    USA : Rony Seikaly , lebanese player, has been naturalized to play with U.sA,
    and to be ironic, referring to your name, HAkeem OLAJUWON also was naturalized to play with the U.S.A

    2- It s a FIBA law that allows it. Deal with it, complain to FIBA. When rules are not broken , no one is a cheater.
    Are you comparing the case of Vogel and Vroman with Olajuwon and Seikaly?

    Olajuwon moved to USA when he was 17 and started to play basketball there for real, without UH he would never have been in the NBA and he was naturalized after 13 years in the country, not like what you guys are doing.. bringing guys over just the like that...

    And the same thing goes with Seikaly, he actually lived in USA before he was naturalized...

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    Quote Originally Posted by khaledlebanon View Post
    we are sooo strong that all people are just talking about us... good for us... GOOOO LEBANON

    When the name Lebanon is mentioned , a country that is 10452 km ^2 , people shake in fear hahaha

    SIZE DOESN T MATTER :P

    or yes it does

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    Quote Originally Posted by khaledlebanon View Post
    we are sooo strong that all people are just talking about us... good for us... GOOOO LEBANON
    So strong?
    Iran still took your olympic place and the only way you can compete with China and Iran is to naturalize player with zero connections to your country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lord-patrick View Post
    Well Olajuwon , when you start topics, and start accusations, make sure of your facts before using arguments like that .

    1- Other continents don't do such things ?
    Let me give you examples":

    France : AFRICAN players

    USA : Rony Seikaly , lebanese player, has been naturalized to play with U.sA,
    and to be ironic, referring to your name, HAkeem OLAJUWON also was naturalized to play with the U.S.A

    2- It s a FIBA law that allows it. Deal with it, complain to FIBA. When rules are not broken , no one is a cheater.
    and more check this out and tell me y didn't u say that russia is a cheater, or it's only cuz we r getting stronger and we r from middle east man plz go get a life and don't type on the kye baord just to do it.

    (Jon Robert "J.R." Holden (born August 10, 1976) is an American-born, naturalized Russian basketball player. He played NCAA Division I college basketball at Bucknell University (1994-1998), and he currently plays for CSKA Moscow of the Russian Super League. He is also a member of the Russian national basketball team. In Russian his name is spelt Dzhon-Robert Kholdin) source wikipedia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElArZ View Post
    And again:




    When you make such a stupid topic, you're not discussing, you're doing something else.

    Plus, nothing is illegal. It's all by the rules. And it's very common everywhere.
    You don't like it? Go cry somewhere else.
    It only shows that you can't compare with your own players, you need to bring in players from other countries just so you can compete against the honest teams of Asia, pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by olajuwon View Post
    Are you comparing the case of Vogel and Vroman with Olajuwon and Seikaly?

    Olajuwon moved to USA when he was 17 and started to play basketball there for real, without UH he would never have been in the NBA and he was naturalized after 13 years in the country, not like what you guys are doing.. bringing guys over just the like that...

    And the same thing goes with Seikaly, he actually lived in USA before he was naturalized...
    rules apply to all cases

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    Quote Originally Posted by weeso View Post
    and more check this out and tell me y didn't u say that russia is a cheater, or it's only cuz we r getting stronger and we r from middle east man plz go get a life and don't type on the kye baord just to do it.
    Russia is the same crap, they done it once though, you guys are acting like thugs but your culture sucks, you need to bring in players to be elite in Asia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by olajuwon View Post
    It only shows that you can't compare with your own players, you need to bring in players from other countries just so you can compete against the honest teams of Asia, pathetic.
    Lebanon is most disappointed with you.

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    And what's the matter now?
    Is it becoming a habit for people to create accounts and start flaming?

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    Quote Originally Posted by olajuwon View Post
    Hey, guys.
    This is my first time posting a new thread and I just wanted to discuss the subject of naturalizing players, we don't see this kind of stuff really in other basketball continents but it seems to be a great problem in Asia which is really sad, instead of trying harder to make your own players better you just take some random-player from some other country and make him a fellow countrymen...

    Why are some of you guys supporting Lebanon, Jordan and Qatar's cheating? Is it really okey that Lebanon first brought in Vogel (0% lebanese) and now Jackson Vroman? Is it really okey that Jordan brought in Wright and I won't even start on Qatar..

    I'm most disappointed with Lebanon to be honest, they have a great basketball culture and sure, it's only been Vogel and Vroman thus far if I've got the story right but are they really that insecure about themselves that they feel that the only way they can compete is to buy in former nba-players?

    Jordan as well, what the hell is the point of having Wright kicking som asian butt when the dude's not even asian or have zero connections with Asia?

    No, I for sure know that this will be the last basketball tournament at NT-level in Asia I will watch and I sure as hell will cheer for the honest and hardworkings teams, China and Iran. They atleast are proud people and they are good without having to buy in players..

    This wasn't meant to hate on you lebanese guys (I've seen many of you guys around here) but don't think it's lame that your basketballprogram is buying in ballers just like that? Ok, I think what Qatar is doing is freaking terrible but they suck, they really do. And Jordan isn't on the same level and they don't have the same basketball-culture as you guys...

    Oh, well.. I hope no one will be offended but lets hope for some iranian and chinese asswhoopin'!

    man,i hope it will be ur last post cause you're proving that you have no idea about basketball,who said that naturalization process is only in asia,read the nationalities of some players in the great teams then talk as u want
    why didn't u naturalize any player,who stopped ur federation?
    anyway,such way of thinking is sterile cause we are circulating in the same whirl

    take this a proof,our federation tried hard to acquire the services of a lebanese australian center(julian khazzouh)before naturalizing vroman,but the negotiations failed,also our lebanese centers are injuried(roy smaha,..).so,this is the reason behind naturalizing vroman(we have an excuse)

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    Watch your language!

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    Quote Originally Posted by weeso View Post
    and more check this out and tell me y didn't u say that russia is a cheater, or it's only cuz we r getting stronger and we r from middle east man plz go get a life and don't type on the kye baord just to do it.

    (Jon Robert "J.R." Holden (born August 10, 1976) is an American-born, naturalized Russian basketball player. He played NCAA Division I college basketball at Bucknell University (1994-1998), and he currently plays for CSKA Moscow of the Russian Super League. He is also a member of the Russian national basketball team. In Russian his name is spelt Dzhon-Robert Kholdin) source wikipedia.
    And as far as I care Holden was living in Russia at the time he was naturalized. You bring players from no where and call them lebanese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by byblos View Post
    man,i hope it will be ur last post cause you're proving that you have no idea about basketball,who said that naturalization process is only in asia,read the nationalities of some players in the great teams then talk as u want
    why didn't u naturalize any player,who stopped ur federation?
    anyway,such way of thinking is sterile cause we are circulating in the same whirl

    take this a proof,our federation tried hard to acquire the services of a lebanese australian center(julian khazzouh)before naturalizing vroman,but the negotiations failed,also our lebanese centers are injuried(roy smaha,..).so,this is the reason behind naturalizing vroman(we have an excuse)
    i know that most of our iranian friends don't agree with you,it's your own opinion
    Oh, so every time a player is injured it's okey to naturalize some random baller to fill his spot.. Edited
    Last edited by Jan van Grabski; 08-14-2009 at 01:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by olajuwon View Post
    And as far as I care Holden was living in Russia at the time he was naturalized. You bring players from no where and call them lebanese.
    Nope, we actually call them by their names

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    I just had to register so i can reply to you.

    I have some questions :

    1. Why are you taking it so personally ? Its just a game.

    2. Would it do you in good to post here ? You should file an official complaint to FIBA... By posting here you will only flame the thread and it wont lead nowhere.

    3. Did Lebanon crush your NT ? thats why you are so angry ?

    Thanks
    Jo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jos View Post
    I just had to register so i can reply to you.

    I have some questions :

    1. Why are you taking it so personally ? Its just a game.

    2. Would it do you in good to post here ? You should file an official complaint to FIBA... By posting here you will only flame the thread and it wont lead nowhere.

    3. Did Lebanon crush your NT ? thats why you are so angry ?

    Thanks
    Jo
    No, actually my national tema (Iran) took your place in the 2008 Olympics.

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