10 PBA Greatest Player after 25 PBA Greats...

[Mel]

Olsen

yup. Olsen Racels should be there somewhere.

[mon23]

If I would have my own rankings of PBA's Top 25.

1. Robert Jaworski - longevity, that's really what makes him great.
2. Ramon Fernandez
3. Alvin Patrimonio
4. Samboy Lim -if not for yearly injuries, I would rate the skywalker higher than the Captain.
5. Allan Caidic
6. Bogs Adornado
7. Philip Cezar
8. Hector Calma
9. Johnny Abarrientos
10. Abet Guidaben
11. Fortunato Co Jr
12. Vergel Meneses
13. Benjie Paras
14. Freddie Hubalde
15. Jojo Lastimosa
16. Ricardo Brown
17. Francis Arnaiz
18. Ronnie Magsanoc
19. Kenneth Duremdes
20. Bernie Fabiosa
21. Ato Agustin
22. Jerry Codinera
23. Lim Eng Beng
24. Danny Florencio
25. Manny Paner

Next 10, I narrowed down my choices to:

26. Arnie Tuadles
27. James Yap - a modern great, still improving in his prime.
28. Danny Ildefonso
29. Abe King
30. Nelson Asaytono
31. Danny Seigle - dynamite's first 5 years are just hard to ignore, despite less playing time now, Danny S did far better than the MVPs of 2000-beyond.
32. Eric Menk
33. Asi Taulava
34. Paul Alvarez - if we put locals who score 60 or more points in a single game among greatest players, then Mr. Excitement should be there, forget his offcourt controversies.
35. Kelly Williams

I hate to say this on Miller and Helterbrand fanatics, I can't respect theirs winning the MVP award to be rated among the 35 very best, although well-deserved, both can't seem to follow up their MVP triumph the following season, Miller is a 2-time MVP that teams wouldn't mind trading to another team, not that fans expect to much, but when the going gets tough, Miller chokes most of the time, JJ did carry the load for his team during the 2008-09 season but where is he now, being slowly displaced in coach Jong Uichico's rotation. From 36-50, Yes, they'l make it, and the NBA doesn't even rate a MVP winner, Bob McAdoo in their Top 50 Greatest Players.

[raja]

my pick is

• james yap
• olsen racela
• jimmy alapag
• kelly williams
• danny seigle
• asi taulava
• dennis espino
• mark caguiao
• mac cardona
• LA tenorio

[GilG]

the top 10 best players for me are the following: After 25 great.

1. James "King" Yap
2. Danny "Dynamite" Siegle
3. Kelly "Machine-gun" Williams
4. Jimmy "Mighty-mouse" Alapag
5. Willie "Thriller" Miller
6. Cyrus "Skyrus" Baguio
7. Mark "Spark" Caguiao
8. Mark "C-Hook" Cardona
9. Jayjay "skelter" Helterbrand
10. Olcen "Rara" Racela

This is a horrible list. Where is Ildefonso? Asaytono? Menk?

[GilG]

If I would have my own rankings of PBA's Top 25.

1. Robert Jaworski - longevity, that's really what makes him great.
2. Ramon Fernandez
3. Alvin Patrimonio
4. Samboy Lim -if not for yearly injuries, I would rate the skywalker higher than the Captain.
5. Allan Caidic
6. Bogs Adornado
7. Philip Cezar
8. Hector Calma
9. Johnny Abarrientos
10. Abet Guidaben
11. Fortunato Co Jr
12. Vergel Meneses
13. Benjie Paras
14. Freddie Hubalde
15. Jojo Lastimosa
16. Ricardo Brown
17. Francis Arnaiz
18. Ronnie Magsanoc
19. Kenneth Duremdes
20. Bernie Fabiosa
21. Ato Agustin
22. Jerry Codinera
23. Lim Eng Beng
24. Danny Florencio
25. Manny Paner

Next 10, I narrowed down my choices to:

26. Arnie Tuadles
27. James Yap - a modern great, still improving in his prime.
28. Danny Ildefonso
29. Abe King
30. Nelson Asaytono
31. Danny Seigle - dynamite's first 5 years are just hard to ignore, despite less playing time now, Danny S did far better than the MVPs of 2000-beyond.
32. Eric Menk
33. Asi Taulava
34. Paul Alvarez - if we put locals who score 60 or more points in a single game among greatest players, then Mr. Excitement should be there, forget his offcourt controversies.
35. Kelly Williams

I hate to say this on Miller and Helterbrand fanatics, I can't respect theirs winning the MVP award to be rated among the 35 very best, although well-deserved, both can't seem to follow up their MVP triumph the following season, Miller is a 2-time MVP that teams wouldn't mind trading to another team, not that fans expect to much, but when the going gets tough, Miller chokes most of the time, JJ did carry the load for his team during the 2008-09 season but where is he now, being slowly displaced in coach Jong Uichico's rotation. From 36-50, Yes, they'l make it, and the NBA doesn't even rate a MVP winner, Bob McAdoo in their Top 50 Greatest Players.

It is a travesty that Seigle didn't win a single MVP award in his career. We have to remember that Miller won the MVP award when the best players of the PBA were on loan to the national team. There should be asterisk each time someone mentions Miller as an all-time great.

[el scorcho]

It is a travesty that Seigle didn't win a single MVP award in his career. We have to remember that Miller won the MVP award when the best players of the PBA were on loan to the national team. There should be asterisk each time someone mentions Miller as an all-time great.

I agree. Sometimes, winning an MVP is simply being the right guy, with the right team, at the right time. Not too say that they aint talented, but to say that they are the best of all time...

Ato Agustin for example. How can he be better than his own teammates Samboy Lim or Hector Calma (who never won MVP awards) or even Nelson Asaytono?

Helterbrand is good, but he might not even be the best player of his team. He had a good year as well as his team that's why he won the MVP. The Ginebra popularity machine doesn't hurt, too.

[donspark47]

add from the list

10 New players add from the list...(in any order)

1. Kelly Williams
2. Jay Washington
3. Gabe Norwood
4. Sol Mercado
5. Mac-Mac Cardona
6. Rabeh Al-husseini
7. Gary David
8. Arwind Santos
9. Ali Peek
10. Joe DeVance

[capitantiago]

10 New players add from the list...(in any order)

1. Kelly Williams
2. Jay Washington
3. Gabe Norwood
4. Sol Mercado
5. Mac-Mac Cardona
6. Rabeh Al-husseini
7. Gary David
8. Arwind Santos
9. Ali Peek
10. Joe DeVance

lol no love for the top 2 superstars of bmeg but lots of love for your choices? lol

[Triggerman]

Abe King
Yoyoy Villamim
Manny Victorino
Nelson Asaytono
Jun Limpot
Marlou Aquino
Danny Ildefonso
Danny Seigle
Eric Menk
Asi Taulava

[capitantiago]

Abe King
Yoyoy Villamim
Manny Victorino
Nelson Asaytono
Jun Limpot
Marlou Aquino
Danny Ildefonso
Danny Seigle
Eric Menk
Asi Taulava

if they were not included in the first 25, no way they will be included in the next.

limpot? no way.
marlou? no way, too.
seigle is in the borderline.
DI, Menk and Asi, being former MVPs will help them since it was one of the criteria.

[Triggerman]

if they were not included in the first 25, no way they will be included in the next.

limpot? no way.
marlou? no way, too.
seigle is in the borderline.
DI, Menk and Asi, being former MVPs will help them since it was one of the criteria.

sir obviously you watch pba only recently?

Abe king once scored 60 points in a game., been a fixture member of the all d team. mythical 5 member 1982 member of 5000 pts 2000 defensive rebound 1000 offensive rebound club
Victorino 3 time member of mythical 5 and 9000 points member 2000 dr and 1000 or
villamin 1 time member of mythical 5 member of 5000 points and 2000 dr and 1000 or 8504 career points.
Limpot member of 9000 points 5000 points 2000 dr. rookie of the yr 1993 career ave. 18.2ppg 6.8 rpg
Aquino ROY 1996 2 time member f mythical 5. member of 5000 club 1000 OR and 1000 Blocks 1996 best player of the conference. governors cup

Asaytono member of 9000 club many time member of m5 1992 ave 32 in a game lost to patrimonio and agustin in MVP race
Danny seigle RY 99 mythical 5 member 3 times 5 time finals mvp. 2 best player of the conference.

[capitantiago]

sir obviously you watch pba only recently?

Abe king once scored 60 points in a game., been a fixture member of the all d team. mythical 5 member 1982 member of 5000 pts 2000 defensive rebound 1000 offensive rebound club
Victorino 3 time member of mythical 5 and 9000 points member 2000 dr and 1000 or
villamin 1 time member of mythical 5 member of 5000 points and 2000 dr and 1000 or 8504 career points.
Limpot member of 9000 points 5000 points 2000 dr. rookie of the yr 1993 career ave. 18.2ppg 6.8 rpg
Aquino ROY 1996 2 time member f mythical 5. member of 5000 club 1000 OR and 1000 Blocks 1996 best player of the conference. governors cup

Asaytono member of 9000 club many time member of m5 1992 ave 32 in a game lost to patrimonio and agustin in MVP race
Danny seigle RY 99 mythical 5 member 3 times 5 time finals mvp. 2 best player of the conference.

I respect the accomplishments of these players but why is it that Abarrientos, Meneses and Duremdes were included in the list and not King, Villamin and Victorino or at least Asaytono?

The 4 power forwards never won an MVP trophy that's why they were not included in the orig 25. And I supposed never will they be included.

Take note that Vergel, Johnny, and Duremdes had at least an MVP trophy to show by winning in 1995, 1996, and 1998 respectively.

The only anomaly I believe is Lim Eng Beng whose accomplishments can be easily eclipsed by King's.