The problem with calling all the Israelis as Jew.

[Kasmer]

The problem with calling all the Israelis as Jew?

we have a country which called israel therefore you need to say israelis. its like i would say: oly brought some christian....

[Billy]

we have a country which called israel therefore you need to say israelis. its like i would say: oly brought some christian....

Uh, is that not the same (reg: Israeli and Jew)?

Dont you need to be a Jew to be a citizen of Israel?

Perhaps he knew the guy was jewish since he wore a yarmulke but was uncertain if the guy was a citizen of Israel?

[Dookie]

Uh, is that not the same (reg: Israeli and Jew)?

Dont you need to be a Jew to be a citizen of Israel?

Perhaps he knew the guy was jewish since he wore a yarmulke but was uncertain if the guy was a citizen of Israel?

1. No
2. No

In Israel there are lots of Muslims and Christians who are also have Israeli Citizenship.
For example - 24% of Israel's population are not jewish.
It's true that any Jewish person from around the world can have an Israeli Citizenship, but being Israeli is not only restricted for Jewish people.

[MikeMaccabiFan]

Uh, is that not the same (reg: Israeli and Jew)?

Dont you need to be a Jew to be a citizen of Israel?

Perhaps he knew the guy was jewish since he wore a yarmulke but was uncertain if the guy was a citizen of Israel?

No it's not the same - there are Israeli druzes and Arabs and Shomronites and Cherkesses and Russians etc.
And come on, not Edelshtein or Elad Hasin (or Pini for that matter) wear yarmulkes...
It was usual casual European antisemitism....

[LuDux]

ArkadiosV2 and rchos7 why you writing jews? we have a country which called israel therefore you need to say israelis. its like i would say: oly brought some christian....

Israeli - 7 letters
Jew - 3 letters

[elaj]

It was usual casual European antisemitism....

And this is just casual Israeli/Jew whining.

[fasoulaki]

It was usual casual European antisemitism....

Maybe you are right! But it could also be just a cultural misunderstanding. In Greece people often refer to Israelis as Hebrews or Jews without having any antisemitism in mind just as a synonym.

It has a long tradition to do that. In the writings of apostle Paul to the Galatians, who actually was from judaic origin, you can find sentences like "There is neither Jew nor Greek ..."

http://bible.cc/galatians/3-28.htm

Allthough I have to admit that nowadays I as a greek would not use the word jew in this way because I have been raised in Germany with more sensitivity to this kind of issues.

[ArkadiosV2]

we have a country which called israel therefore you need to say israelis. its like i would say: oly brought some christian....

Because as said before its shorter, therefore easier and faster to type. I'm not Hitler trying to vanish you from the foroums, don't worry.

By the way, according to 'Fanatic' Kutluay might return to AEK.

[Billy]

It was usual casual European antisemitism....

How dare he use the word Jew?!?

[Juan Carlos Nadal]

Easy guys.

I recommend that when one wants to refer to Israelis that he/she uses the term Israeli (it's not that much longer to write and it is much more accurate and politically correct).

I would appreciate if you did not continue that discussion here but you are welcome to discuss it elsewhere (new topic) if you wish to.

[goga78]

Maybe you are right! But it could also be just a cultural misunderstanding. In Greece people often refer to Israelis as Hebrews or Jews without having any antisemitism in mind just as a synonym.

It has a long tradition to do that. In the writings of apostle Paul to the Galatians, who actually was from judaic origin, you can find sentences like "There is neither Jew nor Greek ..."

http://bible.cc/galatians/3-28.htm

Allthough I have to admit that nowadays I as a greek would not use the word jew in this way because I have been raised in Germany with more sensitivity to this kind of issues.

You are right. It's not like both dudes above had sth. bad in mind. It is simply sth. they were raised up with. and now Mike comes into the game and calls it "casual antisemitism". He is also completely right. First of all, if sth. has a tradition, it doesn't mean it is the correct way to see thing. It was usual to burn witches for lots of centuries. So what? This could be seen in a relative way due to cultural distinctiveness? No! We live in the 21st century and enlightened European people (at least them) should be able to differentiate between Jews and Israelis, just like they do differentiate between Catholics and Spaniards or Orthodox Christians and Greeks.
As to your example of Apostle Paul, these were biblical times when no state of Israel existed. The Jewish kingdom was called Judea and the word Jew didn't have the same connotation in minds human kind due to lack of Christian clerical antisemitism.
Mike didn't explain it at all, but come on, this board does exist for several years now and Greek people are dealing with Israeli people and still refer to them as Jews whereas everybody else calles them Israelis?! Is Maccabi Tel-Aviv a Jewish team or an Israeli team? I think, the answer is obvious.

[goga78]

Because as said before its shorter, therefore easier and faster to type. I'm not Hitler trying to vanish you from the foroums, don't worry.

By the way, according to 'Fanatic' Kutluay might return to AEK.

Hey, what a nice explanation! Let's find some interesting short word for Greeks in this forum! We are typing here so much that we can bear to call other people how they should be called like and not how we'd like to call them.

Easy guys.

I recommend that when one wants to refer to Israelis that he/she uses the term Israeli (it's not that much longer to write and it is much more accurate and politically correct).

I would appreciate if you did not continue that discussion here but you are welcome to discuss it elsewhere (new topic) if you wish to.

I'm very sorry. Have read your recommendation too late I just gave the matter a short explanation. I hope, the case is closed forever here

[Levenspiel]

I've felt it'd be better to move the relevant posts here. Please PM me (or other mods) if you didn't like the thread title - I had to write something.

[c_fish]

I guess it would be easier to understand why Arkadios referred to that person as a jew instead of an israelli if u guys knew that this word is used much more often in every day conversations than the israelli one,even if as a term,is wrong.

Also I find it a bit annoying raising antisemitism (or not) conversations every time something negative is mentioned about israellis.Some people even objected for using the "uber alles" expression while referring to Gershon in the greek bball threads.Should we make a flame if Pini drove (or had been ran over ) by a Mercedes or a BMW?Relax

[Billy]

Also I find it a bit annoying raising antisemitism (or not) conversations every time something negative is mentioned about israellis.Some people even objected for using the "uber alles" expression while referring to Gershon in the greek bball threads.Should we make a flame if Pini drove (or had been ran over ) by a Mercedes or a BMW?Relax

Hear, hear.

Hey, what a nice explanation! Let's find some interesting short word for Greeks in this forum! We are typing here so much that we can bear to call other people how they should be called like and not how we'd like to call them.

Was the guy Jewish or not?

It is simply sth. they were raised up with. and now Mike comes into the game and calls it "casual antisemitism".

How could it be "casual antisematism" when he refers to someones religion?

Lets try it with a few different religions shall we:

"Christian dude from last year", "Hindu dude from last year", "Muslim dude from last year", "Konfucian dude from last year", "Buddhist dude from last year", "Wicka dude from last year" and so on and so forth.

I fail to see that it even carries a negative slant. Its a very broad statement but it does not make it wrong/racist or whatever.

1. No
2. No

Thanks for the clarification.

Is there any other country in the world that grants citizenship based on religion?

reason for editing: changed "stament" to "statement"