Russian Invasion of Ukraine - 2022

[Serbian_Layup]

I understand very well. I have few friends with Serbian origin and they have very similar stance. We're against war, but.. And then you have million reasons why guilt is on both sides. But all this is just bullshit. We have known aggressor, who has no reason to be with tanks in Ukraine and has to be stopped as soon as possible. You don't need to be Nato or USA friend to condemn what Russia is doing.

I have read Serbian newspapers at the beginning of the war, your president blindly admitted that Serbia's main concern is how not to have problems with EU, while having great relationships with Russia. It's more about Serbian benefits than anything else.

I will repeat again, if you had been terrorized by NATO bombs for 78 days, if you had watched your country in flames, your people dying, and your natural resources poisoned, you would understand our political position much better.

I will try to put it this way. People in Ukraine are suffering for real because Putin’s attack is an act of aggression (which it is), while on the other hand people of Serbia and Montenegro (and basically entire Middle East) were calling for NATO bombs and their killings is totally justifiable. Let me rephrase it – when you kill innocent people in the name of “democratization and pacification” - it’s justifiable and no condemnation of crimes is needed; but when you kill innocent people in hostile and aggressive acts, then we are going to raise our voices and condemn everyone who isn’t with us. Hypocrisy, anyone? You still think there is a big difference between Putin and “civilized” world? There is a fine line you can recognize that KILLING is the means that both sides use to achieve their “democratic” or imperialistic goals.

There is no excuse to answer evil with an even bigger evil. If you are preaching freedom, democracy and value lives as the most sacred possession, how can you do the same thing that your enemies are using to accomplish their goals (gaining more power) by killings. Do you realize that paradox? It doesn’t make you better in the slightest just because you preach democracy, where in fact there is no difference between you and the others you are condemning as evil. You are using the same means that evil does (I don’t mean “you” personally, just trying to explain my argument). And I can write something about those “democratic goals” that didn’t turn out to be so democratic after all (see Middle East). Should we talk about Afghanistan and how it turned out just a couple of months ago? What was the result? Killings, killings, then some more killings. Democracy? Gone with the wind.

Just one another thing to be clear, I’m all in for Western values, but I’m disgusted by their discrepancy between preaching and acting.

And there is no "but" with us, war is never an option. However, we are going to point out from our own experience and our own grief, that neither side is purely angelic or demonic. There is something "demonic" on both sides.

Putin absolutely must be stopped, but that means this world would have to be reborn on completely new principles, because neither side is "angelic" enough to change this world. I understand your argument, but this is how I feel. Be free to feel and think differently.

[Killer Bob]

I don't hate anyone because I know very well the distinction between politics and people.

You, however, still don't understand what I'm writing about.

I understand very well. I have few friends with Serbian origin and they have very similar stance. We're against war, but.. And then you have million reasons why guilt is on both sides. But all this is just bullshit. We have known aggressor, who has no reason to be with tanks in Ukraine and has to be stopped as soon as possible. You don't need to be Nato or USA friend to condemn what Russia is doing.

I have read Serbian newspapers at the beginning of the war, your president blindly admitted that Serbia's main concern is how not to have problems with EU, while having great relationships with Russia. It's more about Serbian benefits than anything else.

[Serbian_Layup]

If you don't write anything for 1 year and then suddenly write that you're leaving because some people don't understand Serbia's position is just laughable. You have left as active poster, not you, long time ago and that didn't have anything to do with people "disrespect" Serbia.

Being neutral means that Putin can do whatever he wants. Finland wants in Nato, I should attack them too. Or maybe start with Baltic states, I'm sure Nato won't start a war with me.

Putin has to be stopped. That's the main goal for Europe, Serbia included, at the moment. That hasn't anything to do with Nato or what USA did in the past. You can hate USA and still understand how important that is.

I don't hate anyone because I know very well the distinction between politics and people.

You, however, still don't understand what I'm writing about.

[Killer Bob]

War in Ukraine

Well, they are leaving because some posters are jumping on Serbia (like Serbia has anything to do with what is going on now) without having tried to understand Serbia's position on this matter, which I'm trying to point out.

I already explained our "neutral" position, and won't repeat some facts that are easy to understand no matter how despicable war is.

If you don't write anything for 1 year and then suddenly write that you're leaving because some people don't understand Serbia's position is just laughable. You have left as active poster, not you, long time ago and that didn't have anything to do with people "disrespect" Serbia.

Being neutral means that Putin can do whatever he wants. Finland wants in Nato, I should attack them too. Or maybe start with Baltic states, I'm sure Nato won't start a war with me.

Putin has to be stopped. That's the main goal for Europe, Serbia included, at the moment. That hasn't anything to do with Nato or what USA did in the past. You can hate USA and still understand how important that is.

[Ukrainian2022]

Hello, everyone. Sorry, I didn't get a chance to create a new topic. So I wrote here.

Do not remain indifferent. We really need the help of the world against the war with fascist Russia! They, under the cover of imperial and Nazi slogans, sneakily attacked Ukraine at 4-5 am. There was no declaration of war, they just started a rocket attack! They introduced tanks and artillery, occupied our airspace and began bombing civilians. Look at what is happening in Kharkov, Kiev, and Mariupol - they are simply razing peaceful cities to the ground and killing civilians! It does not matter at all what language people speak or what God they believe in - they simply DESTROY THE PEOPLE, the unarmed population!!!! Children, women, old people, men - ALL of them.

I can't fight, my leg was injured before the war. I can't run, I can hardly walk. If I can write on this forum, I do it. At least I'm doing something.

We're scared, you know? We are very scared. Yes, Ukraine's military is very good, they are holding back one of the most powerful armies in the world! For almost two weeks now, little Ukraine has been holding back these moral freaks.

We all thank the countries of the world for their support in money and arms. We are very grateful to you for that! But it's not enough, unfortunately....

The Russian Army has sneakily bombed our military airfields with our warplanes. And even the surviving planes are fighting back, shooting down enemy planes every day. But there are just more of them!!!

Please! We really need the help of the world. Don't be afraid of you fascist Russia! It can only beat the weak and the small. In a fight with an equal it will sit on its ass and forget about its imperial ambitions forever!!!

Please, Ukraine needs help! Go to your ombudsman, your senator or congressman - let them help us close our skies, let them help us with tanks and warships! We need help! Does the whole world want another fascist country on the planet? Wasn't 1939-1945 enough for you? Today the fascists are Russia!

Please help Ukraine, we are very afraid! Every day bombs and shells fly over residential areas, schools, kindergartens, churches. Every day peaceful people die!!!

I heard that being afraid of nuclear war is Putin's fairy tale. He is the one who told this fairy tale to scare everyone! If he orders a nuclear strike, no one will carry out that order because he is not the one pushing the button.

But as soon as Putin realizes that a strong enemy is at war against him, his balls will immediately become very small. It is against the weak and strong that he can be so brave!

Please help Ukraine! We made our choice back in 2014 when we had our revolution! We don't want to be with Russia, we want to live free and peaceful!!!

Sorry for the mistakes, I am writing with the help of a translator.