Russian Invasion of Ukraine - 2022

[Toruko]

I was told that war criminals like Ratko Mladic and Radovan Karadzic are still considered as heros in some parts of Serbia. The second one was able to obscure himself for years in Serbia despite being sentenced.

[Nemanja95]

Look you guys... What authority in Russia has doing its horrible. Its question what other countries can do to help Ukrainian people. Sanctions towards russian students and artists surely cant help. If countries in Europe cannot find other gas resourse than Russia,any sanctions are senseless .I would support gas suplying sanctions to Russia, what would make Russia serious problems, unlike sanctioning individuals makes no problem for power in Russia. Also,I support taking properties to oligarchs from Russia.

[Shawshank]

We have to understand one thing with Russia and Serbia propaganda what is going in those countries.

People are brainwashed by well prepared system from very early days and it very hard for them to accept that what they believed for 20 or 30 years was simply truth from one side and tottaly masking why those bombs was put on Serbia in the first place.

It seems most Serbian people were thought killers nato decided just without single reason start bombing Serbia ...Same like world war 2 germans cities was destroyed without no reason right?

Hitler/Milosevic was angels send from heaven that how i guess in serbian books those 2 devils is pictured and teach their kids in history lessons such one sided crap .

Jugoslavia in early 90s was blocked from sport competion like 2022 Russia is . Its not an accident.

In 2050 russians gonna tell their kids in history lessons how their patrach Vladimir Putin was fighting evil people in Ukraine

I still have hope that with internet power younger generation wont allow themself to be brainwashed one sided like that

[Nemanja95]

Point of the view of most Serbians is completely wrong, but doesnt differ much of other people in other cases.Its easy for someone from Germany, Usa,Lithuania, to have compassion for Ukrainians, when their enemy made aggression. But why we divide mens and countries? Why there isnt compassion like this for Avghanistan,Syria, Iraq,Palestine? Why there isnt? Simply, because they have to ask question about Usa and European imperialism, and breaking human rights,etc...

[Straight forward]

The funniest thing is that Russia is announcing their people that they already cut all the gas delivery to Germany (which is a lie) and now Germans are freezing This narrative that Russians are living better (while in reality many regions live in poverty) than the rest is real. One Lithuanian relative from Russia came to Lithuania and he brought soup as the present and said something like "you poor Lithuanians left the union (Soviet) and have been living in such poverty so I brought you these goods"... They sincerely believe that, specially those provincial regions who have TV with national channels and barely have anything to eat. Actually Ukrainians for quite some time lived in a mess and thought that Russia is even a bit better place to live than Ukraine, but adequate understanding of how people live in the West (when they saw it) actually opened their eyes and that's one of the reason's why they are fighting for free and independent Ukraine. But we should also understand that Russians are not idiots. They are normally thinking people, just some of them can't reach any other information than Kremlin's nonsense. Many young people (I would say absolute majority of young Russians, like 14-45yo) understand everything very clearly and understand that national channels produces propaganda or a good part of toxic propaganda, but nevertheless many of them are all OK with that. They are willing to justify Russian aggression with bullshit reasons cause in their veins running the thirst of imperialist power. That's one of the reason why Russia tolerate filthy rich dictator while the masses starve - dictator takes responsibility for imperial crimes, he delivers aggressive imperialist politics. Now young Russian troops rape, kill and rob Ukrainians and those left in Russia feel like their teaching their enemy and bringing glory and greatness to mother Russia. There's the thirst of imperialism that is alive in Russia for many ages. That's why they are OK with dictatorship, they don't know the alternatives and they naturally grown into this way of existing. Poverty (chaotic, libertine way of life), aggression, imperialist ideology is their bread and water. Personally, I think only forced demilitarization and forced reforms would make a difference to Russia. If these things were needed for nazi Germany, too times more is needed for long ages imperialist barbarian paupers Russians. After Putin another Putin coming. Russia will think that Germany and France are poor compared to them for another 100 years... that's the reality...

Bright and westernized Russians are leaving for Georgia, Finland, Poland and else were and there's plenty of them...Some of them run away because they afraid mobilization and they don't want to die in the war, but not necessary is against Russia's imperialism. For example, Alexey Navalny...brave and strong critic of Putin, but even he says "Kyiv belongs to Russia".

To lesser extent the same is true to Serbia. Unfortunately authoritative and imperialist tradition runs deeply through Serbians veins...And only long decades of education and living under true democracy can change that, but unfortunately current Serbian authority is pseudo democratic. It's authoritarian democracy, latent dictatorship.

[Straight forward]

Point of the view of most Serbians is completely wrong, but doesnt differ much of other people in other cases.Its easy for someone from Germany, Usa,Lithuania, to have compassion for Ukrainians, when their enemy made aggression. But why we divide mens and countries? Why there isnt compassion like this for Avghanistan,Syria, Iraq,Palestine? Why there isnt? Simply, because they have to ask question about Usa and European imperialism, and breaking human rights,etc...

Did you see anti Vietnam war demonstrations? Do you understand the length of these demonstration? Did we ever seen anything like that in Russia ever? No! That's the difference. USA also have imperialist hunger, but there's no one dictator. There's senate and there's a freedom of speech for people. I would gladly split USA's power for the sake of completely peaceful world if that would be possible, but I any time in the side of democratic imperialist country and not dictatorship imperialist country...

To some extent I think that USA giving hope for Georgia and Ukraine to become NATO countries is actually wasting it's resources for merely democratic reasons. They don't need Ukraine as NATO. NATO is solid as fuck and Europe now will increase their military power, it won't even be close to anyone and since NATO is defensive ally it's a good news for world's peace, IMO. What USA as imperialist country is primarily preoccupied with is "fighting" economic war with China which is true power with USA in the world. In this regard, the conflict with Russia is not useful to USA or Western world economically, it's the matter of safety and values. So you can't call USA as destructive, only power seeking imperialist country. Russia on other hand, killing their own breed...Slavic country...

[Nemanja95]

There are demonstratìons in Russia, 1700 mens arrested in one day, opoosition leaders are in jale or are killed, director of theater in Moscow is resigned like protest against war, sobe journalists highlight anti-Putin messages in tv show.

Any imperial power resembling to each other, with some excepts. How exactly Usa helpled Ukraine in this situation? In same way like Russia helped friendly governments in Syria or in Serbia 1999, or Usa in Avghanistan last year. There are deals and conflicts between imperialists, when some imperial power aggressively atacks one place, other takes other place which was under control of first one. Usa lets Ukraine to Russia, everybody knew it will be happened, surely they can stop war but for Usa its good Russia is in war.That dont justifies in any sense what Putin and others have done.

[remigijus]

“The fascists of the future will call themselves anti-fascists.” Winston Churchill

Russia must lost this war there is no other way, west must understand this if not europe is doomed for never ending wars with kremlin mognoloids . NAtTo must send more serious weapons to kill and destroy that pathetic of army russia has .

[Big Lebowski]

I am wondering how many Turks or Israelis would ask for bans and threads to be deleted if anyone starts a conversation about Turkish attacks on Kurds or Israel's occupations of Palestine. Many of them would say these events belong to some "war on terrorism".
But at the same time there's a worldwide condemnation of Russia forgetting or ignoring Ukrainian attacks in Donbass or the Massacre of Odessa.

Probably it's part of human hypocrisy. Something "normal". I was reading that USA are deeply concerned by the fact that China could open a military base in Solomon Islands: an "intolerable provocation" by Beijing, when USA don't have just "bases" in the Southern Pacific but... territories. Look at China: they have been so shameless to have their own country next to Guam! The same Americans who were showing ampoules telling the narrative of Iraqi "mass destruction weapons".

Wimbledon bans Russian and Belorussian players but there's a WTA tournament in Istanbul while Turkey - a NATO's country - is bombing again some "terrorists" in Iraqi Kurdistan. I guess that's ok. There are always the good and the bad boys and there are always the "First Division" and "Last Division" victims.
This is why West (and allies) can raid over a train in Yugoslavia (a collateral damage with video of the "incident" shown at increased speed) or put in jail not those who committed the airstrike on civilians in Baghdad (July 12th, 2007) but whose who told the truth about it (Manning). This is why Grand Prix in Sochi is deleted but Grand Prix in Jeddah is performed. Ukraine if First Division, Yemen is Last Division.

It's not fair when the referee plays in one of the teams on court. And it doesn't mean I'm supporting war against Kiev, it simply means that I would like to read on Western newspaper who really is the appointed [by Kiev] governor of the Odessa's Oblast or what was happening at the "Library" in Mariupol'. Maybe "Books" were just terrorists...

[remigijus]

I am wondering how many Turks or Israelis would ask for bans and threads to be deleted if anyone starts a conversation about Turkish attacks on Kurds or Israel's occupations of Palestine. Many of them would say these events belong to some "war on terrorism".
But at the same time there's a worldwide condemnation of Russia forgetting or ignoring Ukrainian attacks in Donbass or the Massacre of Odessa.

Probably it's part of human hypocrisy. Something "normal". I was reading that USA are deeply concerned by the fact that China could open a military base in Solomon Islands: an "intolerable provocation" by Beijing, when USA don't have just "bases" in the Southern Pacific but... territories. Look at China: they have been so shameless to have their own country next to Guam! The same Americans who were showing ampoules telling the narrative of Iraqi "mass destruction weapons".

Wimbledon bans Russian and Belorussian players but there's a WTA tournament in Istanbul while Turkey - a NATO's country - is bombing again some "terrorists" in Iraqi Kurdistan. I guess that's ok. There are always the good and the bad boys and there are always the "First Division" and "Last Division" victims.
This is why West (and allies) can raid over a train in Yugoslavia (a collateral damage with video of the "incident" shown at increased speed) or put in jail not those who committed the airstrike on civilians in Baghdad (July 12th, 2007) but whose who told the truth about it (Manning). This is why Grand Prix in Sochi is deleted but Grand Prix in Jeddah is performed. Ukraine if First Division, Yemen is Last Division.

It's not fair when the referee plays in one of the teams on court. And it doesn't mean I'm supporting war against Kiev, it simply means that I would like to read on Western newspaper who really is the appointed [by Kiev] governor of the Odessa's Oblast or what was happening at the "Library" in Mariupol'. Maybe "Books" were just terrorists...

Dont worry kremlin rat soon orcs will be running back to asia just wait 2, 3 weeks until serious NATO artillery will reach eastern front.

[BiHBasket]

While BiH is geographically far away from Russia, influence of the „Z“ world is much higher than in the rest of Europe.

It's surreal for me, Westerners watch clips of Russian tv channel programs and laughs on propaganda, but that's foreign for them, they feel comfortable and completely outside of that. In my case, it feels very close.

Let me explain: BiH has three state channels, and one of them – RTRS – is under Serb control.

This is the headline of their last report on situation in Ukraine: „Special reporter of RTRS is first one in the metallurgical combine Azovstal in Mariupol“

Their „special reporter“ is for weeks in the Ukraine, always on the territory controlled by Russians, he follows their army, and casually and affirmatively talks about „transition of government“ from Ukrainian to Russian on occupied territories.

On RTRS they talk about Russian gains in justified war, and about crimes committed by Ukrainians, completely coordinated with Kremlin narrative. That's my state media from where many people informs themselves.

[remigijus]

Russian propoganda gone insane .... This is Vladimir Solovjov main russian propogandist on russian national tv gone mad speaks in tongues =DDDDD no suprise vast majority of russians are zombies after 22 years of this propoganda

[Hepcat]

So after absolutely obliterating Mariupol, the first priority of the Russian occupiers tells all about their mentality. No, it's not to bring in food or restore hospitals, power, water, sewers, whatever. It's to re-erect the Soviet era monuments that the Ukrainians had taken down. It's beyond belief. If I could I would flog Putin and then hang him from the end of a rope myself.

[Furkan Korkmaz]

It's either solidarity or not. Selective solidarity is as good as non solidarity and turns into hipocrisy. People attacking people who are pointing to this hipocrisy are actually showing lack of solidarity. As easy as that.

You are drawing skewed parallels between 2 totally different situations, where the whole world did actually show solidarity (so you’re somewhat wrong). There is alot I could say about this, but I’ll just keep it short by providing simple statistics. During the NATO bombings around 200+ Serbian civilians lost their lives.... that’s sad but totally unintentional. The remaining civilian victims of the total 1000-1200 estimated were all Albanian. I’ll leave the discussion regarding who the perpetrator and who the victims were on the side.

For the Ukraine war, the current Civilian deathcount is already estimated to be around 25.000 and counting! Not to mention the Russians in eastern Ukraine killed 300 civilians in a single airplane attack when they shot down Malaysian airlines. That alone was more than your victims... I’ll spare all the political stuff because this is not the place and time... I think these numbers are enough to show a little solidarity wouldnt hurt. These victims are even your “orthodox slavic brothers”.

[Serbian_Layup]

You are drawing skewed parallels between 2 totally different situations, where the whole world did actually show solidarity (so you’re somewhat wrong). There is alot I could say about this, but I’ll just keep it short by providing simple statistics. During the NATO bombings around 200+ Serbian civilians lost their lives.... that’s sad but totally unintentional. The remaining civilian victims of the total 1000-1200 estimated were all Albanian. I’ll leave the discussion regarding who the perpetrator and who the victims were on the side.

For the Ukraine war, the current Civilian deathcount is already estimated to be around 25.000 and counting! Not to mention the Russians in eastern Ukraine killed 300 civilians in a single airplane attack when they shot down Malaysian airlines. That alone was more than your victims... I’ll spare all the political stuff because this is not the place and time... I think these numbers are enough to show a little solidarity wouldnt hurt. These victims are even your “orthodox slavic brothers”.

Who is not showing solidarity? Who is attacking Ukraine, Russia or Serbia? Who is invading Ukraine? Who of all Serbian officials approved of what Russia is doing in Ukraine? Is Serbian people approving war in Ukraine? Stop forcing narratives full of prejudices that have zero values in reality. Do some research.

I'm not measuring victims of any side, and that's exactly why I detest selective solidarity becasue all innocent people no matter nationality that die in crimes of war deserve recognition. I'm pointing out the hipocrisy hidden behind 'solidarity' of moral puritanists and their fake self-righteousness, who choose which innocent people are more valuable than other innocent people, depending on are they the ones that kill or their enemies.

Let me ask you this, why isn't NATO waging war against Russia? They were quick to bomb Yougoslavia to protect Albanian people, so what are they waitnig for to protect Ukrainian people, especially considering the growing number of victims?