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    I am watching game after game and it's the same thing every time. Neither team plays any defense at all. The defense is the worst I have ever seen in the NBA since I started watching it back in the 80s.

    I've never seen anything like it it's so awful. I mean damn, watching Brandon Jennings just carve up NBA defense like he's a superstar and just simply cannot be guarded. At times like he's toying with the defenses. This same player was practically useless against Euroleague defense.

    It's an incredible insult to the Euroleague seeing all NBA fans everywhere and anywhere on the face of the Earth swearing up and down that the NBA has "superior defense" and that "no one plays defense in Europe". That "Euros" have to "adjust to the superior defense that is played in the NBA" and that "in the Euroleague all defenses are soft" and all this other garbage. Like, "Euro superstars would be scrubs in the NBA where they actually play defense and it's not just an open layup drill", etc.

    Are NBA fans intentionally trying to be comic relief or what? The NBA might be the worst defensively of any well known league in the world. Not just is it far worse defensively than the Euroleague, but it's also far worse than other good domestic leagues in Europe. Frankly, watching Euroleague games and then switching to NBA games and then back - it's honestly embarrassing how truly horrific NBA "defenses" are. It truly is amazing how good David $tern's marketing is that with such awful defense in the NBA, that all NBA fans are thoroughly convinced that the NBA plays far better defense than any other league. It's absolutely laughable. I'm starting to think that the NBA isn't even marginally a competition anymore. It's like watching a glorified pickup game.

    Even so-called "great defensive teams" like Orlando, San Antonio, the Lakers, etc. literally play no defense. I mean none. Incredible hearing announcers brag about the defense of teams like the Spurs when they literally play no defense all game long. Do NBA fans even have the slightest clue that NBA defense is a complete joke and that the Euroleague defensive level is MUCH higher? Seriously, do NBA fans not see this?

  • #2
    Originally posted by FIBA Europe Basket View Post
    I am watching game after game and it's the same thing every time. Neither team plays any defense at all. The defense is the worst I have ever seen in the NBA since I started watching it back in the 80s.

    I've never seen anything like it it's so awful. I mean damn, watching Brandon Jennings just carve up NBA defense like he's a superstar and just simply cannot be guarded. At times like he's toying with the defenses. This same player was practically useless against Euroleague defense.

    It's an incredible insult to the Euroleague seeing all NBA fans everywhere and anywhere on the face of the Earth swearing up and down that the NBA has "superior defense" and that "no one plays defense in Europe". That "Euros" have to "adjust to the superior defense that is played in the NBA" and that "in the Euroleague all defenses are soft" and all this other garbage. Like, "Euro superstars would be scrubs in the NBA where they actually play defense and it's not just an open layup drill", etc.

    Are NBA fans intentionally trying to be comic relief or what? The NBA might be the worst defensively of any well known league in the world. Not just is it far worse defensively than the Euroleague, but it's also far worse than other good domestic leagues in Europe. Frankly, watching Euroleague games and then switching to NBA games and then back - it's honestly embarrassing how truly horrific NBA "defenses" are. It truly is amazing how good David $tern's marketing is that with such awful defense in the NBA, that all NBA fans are thoroughly convinced that the NBA plays far better defense than any other league. It's absolutely laughable. I'm starting to think that the NBA isn't even marginally a competition anymore. It's like watching a glorified pickup game.

    Even so-called "great defensive teams" like Orlando, San Antonio, the Lakers, etc. literally play no defense. I mean none. Incredible hearing announcers brag about the defense of teams like the Spurs when they literally play no defense all game long. Do NBA fans even have the slightest clue that NBA defense is a complete joke and that the Euroleague defensive level is MUCH higher? Seriously, do NBA fans not see this?

    Too bad Euroleague teams can not CONSISTENTLY win against NBA teams (even the scrub teams)... Oh wait, the rules difference is a nice excuse again, right?
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    • #3
      I don't get to watch many Euroleague games, only the championship matches so I cannot give you a detailed comparison about NBA and Euroleague defenses.

      I can however, compare today's NBA to the other NBA eras and I have to agree with you that today's NBA has never been more offensive-minded than it is today.

      Remember back in the 90s when David Stern became concerned about the low-scoring games that dominated the league mainly because of the physical defenses of teams like Miami, New York, Chicago, Indiana, etc. He made many rule changes like no hand-checking and the no charge zone to increase the scoring. Aside from that, there also seems to be some unwritten rule changes like calling more touch fouls and flagrant fouls to take away the physicality of the game, probably to avoid another Palace Brawl. This becomes evident when you watch games from the 80s and 90s and notice how much more physical they were before.

      He did install the zone defense but with 1 catch, it's not actually the real zone defense because he also installed the defensive 3 seconds to prevent the big men from camping in the lane, again to increase the scoring.

      And this is something that the GM's, coaches, and former players generally agree upon. In fact I just heard them talk about it a dozen times during this past NBA draft.

      I must admit that today's brand of NBA basketball is no doubt very entertaining. But I still enjoy it more when watching re-runs of the 80s and 90s basketball games, especially this past off-season when NBA TV aired tons of classic games.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by FIBA Europe Basket View Post
        I am watching game after game and it's the same thing every time. Neither team plays any defense at all. The defense is the worst I have ever seen in the NBA since I started watching it back in the 80s.

        I've never seen anything like it it's so awful. I mean damn, watching Brandon Jennings just carve up NBA defense like he's a superstar and just simply cannot be guarded. At times like he's toying with the defenses. This same player was practically useless against Euroleague defense.

        It's an incredible insult to the Euroleague seeing all NBA fans everywhere and anywhere on the face of the Earth swearing up and down that the NBA has "superior defense" and that "no one plays defense in Europe". That "Euros" have to "adjust to the superior defense that is played in the NBA" and that "in the Euroleague all defenses are soft" and all this other garbage. Like, "Euro superstars would be scrubs in the NBA where they actually play defense and it's not just an open layup drill", etc.

        Are NBA fans intentionally trying to be comic relief or what? The NBA might be the worst defensively of any well known league in the world. Not just is it far worse defensively than the Euroleague, but it's also far worse than other good domestic leagues in Europe. Frankly, watching Euroleague games and then switching to NBA games and then back - it's honestly embarrassing how truly horrific NBA "defenses" are. It truly is amazing how good David $tern's marketing is that with such awful defense in the NBA, that all NBA fans are thoroughly convinced that the NBA plays far better defense than any other league. It's absolutely laughable. I'm starting to think that the NBA isn't even marginally a competition anymore. It's like watching a glorified pickup game.

        Even so-called "great defensive teams" like Orlando, San Antonio, the Lakers, etc. literally play no defense. I mean none. Incredible hearing announcers brag about the defense of teams like the Spurs when they literally play no defense all game long. Do NBA fans even have the slightest clue that NBA defense is a complete joke and that the Euroleague defensive level is MUCH higher? Seriously, do NBA fans not see this?
        Does the word "literally" mean something different in Britain?!?

        Anywho, I think a lot of people that don't understand NBA rules tend to come up with this conclusion. There are many defensive schemes that Euroleague and other teams use that isn't allowed in the NBA, which tends to deal more with one-on-one defense. In other words - with the rule differences - the teams have to play a different kind of defense. You find less zone defense over hear across the pond.

        With that said, the NBA has some - well most - of the best defensive players in the world. Just look how NBA teams defeate EL teams (by their defense).

        Once again, I think you are just looking at this wrong (plus look up the word "literally").

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ArkadiosV2
          He is American.
          I thought he was a Khimki fan from Hong Kong?
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          • #6
            I thought he was greek

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            • #7
              I'm missing the Detroit Pistons back when the Fab-5 was around. The span of 2005 - 2007 the Detroit Pistons epitomized the "suffocating defense" and that payed dividends wherein they attained the notoriety of winning and blowing out home teams as if home court advantage was not much of a factor when against the Pistons.

              Also San Antonio has been a defensive squad and that also payed dividends as they were the most consistent team in this decade.

              Point is, 30 teams, only a handful are defensive oriented or having a defensive approach in winning games.

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              • #8
                I've never seen anything like it it's so awful. I mean damn, watching Brandon Jennings just carve up NBA defense like he's a superstar and just simply cannot be guarded. At times like he's toying with the defenses. This same player was practically useless against Euroleague defense.
                Why hatin'? did he break your ankle with one of 'em killa cross-over? NBA is not the Euroleague and Eoruoleague won't be the NBA ever.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by maw View Post
                  I don't get to watch many Euroleague games, only the championship matches so I cannot give you a detailed comparison about NBA and Euroleague defenses.

                  I can however, compare today's NBA to the other NBA eras and I have to agree with you that today's NBA has never been more offensive-minded than it is today.

                  Remember back in the 90s when David Stern became concerned about the low-scoring games that dominated the league mainly because of the physical defenses of teams like Miami, New York, Chicago, Indiana, etc. He made many rule changes like no hand-checking and the no charge zone to increase the scoring. Aside from that, there also seems to be some unwritten rule changes like calling more touch fouls and flagrant fouls to take away the physicality of the game, probably to avoid another Palace Brawl. This becomes evident when you watch games from the 80s and 90s and notice how much more physical they were before.

                  He did install the zone defense but with 1 catch, it's not actually the real zone defense because he also installed the defensive 3 seconds to prevent the big men from camping in the lane, again to increase the scoring.

                  And this is something that the GM's, coaches, and former players generally agree upon. In fact I just heard them talk about it a dozen times during this past NBA draft.

                  I must admit that today's brand of NBA basketball is no doubt very entertaining. But I still enjoy it more when watching re-runs of the 80s and 90s basketball games, especially this past off-season when NBA TV aired tons of classic games.
                  Good post. I agree with you. The game now is definitely entertaining in the NBA (moreso than the Euroleague is) but they have taken the no defense and all offense too far. It's way too slanted to scoring. I really miss the NBA from the 80s and 90s.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Czarkazem13 View Post
                    Does the word "literally" mean something different in Britain?!?

                    Anywho, I think a lot of people that don't understand NBA rules tend to come up with this conclusion. There are many defensive schemes that Euroleague and other teams use that isn't allowed in the NBA, which tends to deal more with one-on-one defense. In other words - with the rule differences - the teams have to play a different kind of defense. You find less zone defense over hear across the pond.

                    With that said, the NBA has some - well most - of the best defensive players in the world. Just look how NBA teams defeate EL teams (by their defense).

                    Once again, I think you are just looking at this wrong (plus look up the word "literally").
                    In a lot of Euroleague teams if a player goes a whole game or even season or even career without ever defending then he will not last long. In the NBA you see a lot of players that play for years without ever defending. Also, there are some great defenders in the NBA but certainly there are some equally good ones in Europe. For example the best wing defenders in Euroleague are every bit as good as the best NBA ones.

                    Also there used to be some really great defensive big men in the NBA but not not so much. In the current NBA big men like Rasheed and Kg are considered great defenders. However compared to guys like Mutombo or Olajuwon and big men of earlier times they are not even in the same class on defense. And this is because the NBA stresses offense so much and is so much trying to phase out defense that a "modern big man" is a guy that runs the floor and shoots 3 pointers and is soft and afraid of physical play and contact.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ArkadiosV2
                      He is American.
                      My bad, the British flag confused me.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by LordOfLeyte View Post
                        I'm missing the Detroit Pistons back when the Fab-5 was around. The span of 2005 - 2007 the Detroit Pistons epitomized the "suffocating defense" and that payed dividends wherein they attained the notoriety of winning and blowing out home teams as if home court advantage was not much of a factor when against the Pistons.

                        Also San Antonio has been a defensive squad and that also payed dividends as they were the most consistent team in this decade.

                        Point is, 30 teams, only a handful are defensive oriented or having a defensive approach in winning games.
                        They also had a slow downed tempo offense which also gave opposing teams less chances to score. That is why I've always argued that the D should be judged on opposing teams FG% instead of opposing teams PPG.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by FIBA Europe Basket View Post
                          In a lot of Euroleague teams if a player goes a whole game or even season or even career without ever defending then he will not last long. In the NBA you see a lot of players that play for years without ever defending. Also, there are some great defenders in the NBA but certainly there are some equally good ones in Europe. For example the best wing defenders in Euroleague are every bit as good as the best NBA ones.
                          There are very few teams that a player who never plays D (who must also make up by being a great scorer) can make and stay on. That is why certain stars in college never make it in the pros even though they can score.

                          Also, while there are some good wind defenders in EL, I don't see the quality or especially quantity to match the NBA.

                          Originally posted by FIBA Europe Basket View Post
                          Also there used to be some really great defensive big men in the NBA but not not so much. In the current NBA big men like Rasheed and Kg are considered great defenders. However compared to guys like Mutombo or Olajuwon and big men of earlier times they are not even in the same class on defense. And this is because the NBA stresses offense so much and is so much trying to phase out defense that a "modern big man" is a guy that runs the floor and shoots 3 pointers and is soft and afraid of physical play and contact.
                          Rasheed and especially KG can defend the perimeter much better then Mutomobo and Olajuwon could. Hell, KG could play the 3, some even argue the 2. He's not a classic big man. Also, I would say the dearth of classic big men in the NBA was because of the infusion of well rounded Euro bigs that helped changed the look of big men (post players) in the NBA.

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                          • #14
                            Let's be real, a lot of NBA teams would still beat the living daylights out of the Euroleague, whether it be in EL or NBA rules.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Live and die in LA View Post
                              Let's be real, a lot of NBA teams would still beat the living daylights out of the Euroleague, whether it be in EL or NBA rules.
                              No, they wouldn't and this is coming from a NBA-first fan.

                              You need to realize that most of the games that have been played between NBA/Euroleague teams have occured in the U.S. NBA teams have the advantage of playing at home under NBA rules with NBA refs (some of the worst refs even for a top-notch league). You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know how big of a disadvantage Euroleague teams are under those conditions.

                              Two of the three European teams that played in U.S. this preseason (Olympiacos and Partizan) chose to play against top level teams to see how they stacked up against NBA teams. As we all know, they got destroyed and humiliated. However, none of us should be surprised by the results based on the conditions and rules in which the games were played.

                              So what am I getting at? Well, if NBA teams played more in Europe under Euroleague rules with Euroleague crowds (worlds better than our fans) , you would likely start seeing NBA teams losing to Euroleague teams. But of course, Stern will never do such a thing unless money were to be involved.

                              All in all, the NBA is not invincible when it comes competition. Yes, some teams (maybe 1/4 of the league right now) would still be able to beat Euroleague teams regardless of the rules. But I do believe, under certain conditions, Euroleague teams could beat most NBA teams.

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