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  • #16
    Originally posted by mvblair
    What!? Joel, Yao is scoring 20+ points, 10+ rebounds, 2+ blocks, and shooting 50%+ on the year. That's awesome, man!

    He got 0pt on his first game in NBA(2002).

    Yao got 0pt and 10 turnovers on his first NBA game as rookie. If should be the worst nba game statistics of all no. 1 pick player in NBA history. No other no. 1 pick rookie to scored less than 2pts and more TO in a game. Only Yao when as a rookie scored scoreless with 2rebs and 10 TOs.
    Last edited by Juan Carlos Nadal; 12-17-2007, 03:41 AM.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by joel23
      He got 0pt on his first game in NBA(2002).

      Yao got 0pt and 10 turnovers on his first NBA game as rookie. If should be the worst nba game statistics of all no. 1 pick player in NBA history. No other no. 1 pick rookie to scored less than 2pts and more TO in a game. Only Yao when as a rookie scored scoreless with 2rebs and 10 TOs.
      This is not a thread about the worse debut of a No1 draftee. You cannot say that Yao is a dissappointment judging on his first game (or even handful of games). He has been posting superb numbers since his first year and until now.
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      • #18
        Ahhh so that's why joel put Yao on the bust list, basing it on their debut game... IMO, it should be based on how successful is the player's career... heck, it should even be the other way around with Yao having the most success so far... but, hey these guys are still young (except for the hopeless Kandi Man) and can still prove their worth being a 1st overall pick...

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        • #19
          Kandi Man and its not even close. Bogut is a solid NBA center, Kwame is top10 post defender and Bargs is young(I dont like how he plays in his second season btw.)
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          • #20
            Yao has so far rebounded from such a sorry performance..and is doing well the past few years, and even started for an All-Star team(oh well, thanks to the Asian votes)
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Lebron23
              Darko Milicic
              He was a second pick, after you know who.

              I agree with everyone saying that Olowokandi is the most disappointing 1st pick.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Saskibaloia
                Concerning Bogut, though I am an Australian-Filipino and I love watching this guy play, I am expecting bigger numbers and bigger wins this seasons for the Bucks. Hence, if that does not occur I am having my doubts about my fellow countryman. Basically, I want to see definitely 15ppg 10rpg & 2bpg and the Bucks racking up at least a 45 win season.
                Yes, I would like to see Bogut playing a little better too. Well, he's averaging 13 points, 8 rebounds, and 2 blocks right now, so he's not far off (and 50% shooting).
                Whether or not Bogut becomes a bust you have to agree with the Bucks management that Bogut by far was the choice they HAD to make.
                No question. In fact, Chris Paul and Deron Williams (two players picked after Bogut), are very good players for their teams, but Milwaukee at the time, as you said, still doesn't need a guard, so I would make that pick again. Bogut is a big, young kid. He's only 23 and he's gotten better every year, so I think he was a good pick.

                Milwaukee plays Cleveland tonight, so I'm happy that I get to watch the game! I'll give a report on him in the Bogut thread after I see it.
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                • #23
                  Ok 20 voters and many opinions here. Looks like Kandi Man won the vote by more than 50%. Also people agreed that Kwame did not played as well as expected. Bogut plays not so good for 1st pick but he is still young and maybe one day he will show what he can.
                  I made mistake putting Andrea Bargnani on the list, bobody voted for him, that means he is young and he got plenty of time.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Saskibaloia
                    Just going slightly off the topic ... is anyone out there, like myself who thought that the former All American PF/C from the University of Kansas would be a superstar?

                    And here is my favourite ... Tractor trailer for the mysterious kid from Germany

                    Guess where Tractor Traylor is? ... Puerto Rico. Though I would rather be in the NBA and make heaps of $$$, I wouldn't mind playing in Puerto Rico in front of all those good looking Puerto Rican ladies while listening to the latest Reggaeton beats


                    However, looking from the perspective of the Bucks organisation. The advantages of obtaining the former University of Michigan star was a safer bet because you have seen the big man develop slowly throughout his years in Michigan and on top of that you know that this Big Man has been used to playing in a stlye of play that is easier for him to adjust to the NBA than from a unknown kid who has been playing overseas and may find the adjustment to the NBA quite difficult. Do you go for the kid full of potential or do you go for the safe choice? Of course it is easier to comment now but then many manager would rather take the safer pick than the gamble.
                    wasn't this the draft when Dirk Nowitzki got traded to the Mavs? hmmm, maybe the manager thought twice after
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                    • #25
                      Voted for Olowokandi, but Joe Smith should be up there too

                      We'll reexamine Greg Oden in 5 years.

                      Bargnani is too young. Bogut is not good as thought but not a bust, and is still young. Kwame is a bust, but not the worst.

                      And no sense talking to joel23. He once said he's part-Chinese, I think he has Oedipus Complex or whatever it's called.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by sinobball
                        Voted for Olowokandi, but Joe Smith should be up there too

                        We'll reexamine Greg Oden in 5 years.

                        Bargnani is too young. Bogut is not good as thought but not a bust, and is still young. Kwame is a bust, but not the worst.

                        And no sense talking to joel23. He once said he's part-Chinese, I think he has Oedipus Complex or whatever it's called.
                        I wanted to include Joe Smith but it was too long ago. There is possibility that Greg Oden sometime will be on the voting too...

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                        • #27
                          I've many additional mentioning should this:

                          Fred Hetzel - 1st pick from San Francisco Warriors in 1965 NBA draft
                          LaRue Martin - 1st pick from Portland Trailblazers in 1972 NBA draft
                          Doug Collins - 1st pick from Philadelphia 76ers in 1973 NBA draft
                          Dick Ricketts - 1st pick from St. Loius Hawks in 1955 NBA draft
                          Hot Rod Hundley - 1st pick from Cincinnati Royals in 1957 NBA draft
                          Kent Benson - 1st pick from Milwaukee Bucks in 1977 NBA draft

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                          Very-very too non-sense for sinoball, Bargnani is now 22, still not good performance. Bogut too.. Kwame Brown is not bust but still in more minutes, but I've include him. Bogut is 23 still not helpful winning their team. How about Yao, his first game in NBA had scoreless in his game. The worst no. 1 pick in a game in history. But I'm was very suprised have NBA star average statistics that's why he is big and the defender didn't high pressure on him. That's big questionable! I've understand that coach always urged Yao's playing time!

                          Anyway I'm a being real!



                          Joe Smith still not in the bust. He would triple threat with Spreewell and Mullin. He was major injured before his traded to Philadelphia so then his statistics lower. He is a star level player. Greg Oden is a big question???!! Is the future of PERVIS ELLISON!
                          Last edited by joel23; 12-24-2007, 09:52 AM.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by joel23
                            I've many additional mentioning should this:

                            Fred Hetzel - 1st pick from San Francisco Warriors in 1965 NBA draft
                            LaRue Martin - 1st pick from Portland Trailblazers in 1972 NBA draft
                            Doug Collins - 1st pick from Philadelphia 76ers in 1973 NBA draft
                            Dick Ricketts - 1st pick from St. Loius Hawks in 1955 NBA draft
                            Hot Rod Hundley - 1st pick from Cincinnati Royals in 1957 NBA draft
                            Kent Benson - 1st pick from Milwaukee Bucks in 1977 NBA draft
                            Great! You mentioning that are unknown legend players. I think someone worst than Bargnani or Olowokandi
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                            • #29
                              Bargnani is just in his 2nd year.. why don't u give him a chance..

                              look at kwame brown.. u r not considering him a bust but he is already in his 6th year in the league.. for me, it is kandi man hands down..
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                              • #30
                                for me its olowakandi, then.. brown.. then maybe bogut. bogut still has a lot of time to prove us wrong though.

                                as for yao, i dont think that he should be included in that list. yes, he may had a very bad debut for a #1pick. but considering his averages right now and the things he bring to the game to help his team win shouldnt be overlooked.

                                just an opinion.

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