Wow, Garbo was the rookie of the year last year and he's only playing 7 minutes per game!? That's ridiculuos. I understand that Ford, Bargani, Parker and Bosh will all get over 30 minutes a game, but Jason Kapono and Juan Dixon? Man...
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"I really like the attitudes of eagles. They never give up. When they grab a fish or something else, they never let it go. It doesn't matter. In a book, they write they find a skeleton of [an] eagle and there is no fish. It means that the fish beat him and killed him, but he didn't let go." -- Donatas Motiejunas
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Originally posted by LuDuxDo you think Sam Mitchell only this year noticed that Garbajosa's salary is too small to play big minutes?
The same could go in TJ Ford-Calderon issue, though TJ is obviouly much better player than Kapono.
But this dosnt happen only with Mitchell, many NBA coaches do that. Although that is not a reason that could justify it.I KISS BASKET
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Originally posted by NeozyrusIt is not abut that. Its about comparing him with the guy that is replacing him in the starting 5 - Kapono - for example.
The same could go in TJ Ford-Calderon issue, though TJ is obviouly much better player than Kapono.But this dosnt happen only with Mitchell, many NBA coaches do that. Although that is not a reason that could justify it."I really like the attitudes of eagles. They never give up. When they grab a fish or something else, they never let it go. It doesn't matter. In a book, they write they find a skeleton of [an] eagle and there is no fish. It means that the fish beat him and killed him, but he didn't let go." -- Donatas Motiejunas
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Originally posted by mvblairI don't think starting or coming off the bench matters. Ginobili and Jason Terry come off the bench, and they are the second best players on both their teams. If Garbajosa is coming off the bench, that's OK. But if he's coming off the bench and playing 7 minutes per game, while Kapono, Delfino and Dixon play 27, 30 and 20 minutes per game.
Originally posted by mvblairI think TJ is also a good player and I think he is the legitimate starter on the team. But I agree that Calderon should be on the court more (in the pre-season, Mitchell said both players would be on the floor at the same time, but that hasn't happened, I don't think).
Originally posted by mvblairWell, I think a coach will play whoever is playing best. Every coach wants to win and they don't care who plays for them. I think perhaps there are "orders" coming from the suits upstairs to play Kapono...I KISS BASKET
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Garbo doesnt say it but imho its quite clear that he's being punished for not having done what Raptors told him to, that is, not to play with Spain in the EC. He's paying that he recovered much earlier that expected from his injury and he's paying that he found an insurance company that made him the multi-million insurance that raptors told him to do after the review of his injury in August, as a "recomendation" if he wanted to play in Spain. This insurance is valifd till the end of November by the way. Even Colangelo seemed really upset with Spain and Gabajosa at that moment, he said: "when Spain and him came with this insurance.. well, we didnt want to create a conflict"
In fact its funny that after his absence in the last playoffs Colangelo said: "we've missed Garbajosa in the playoffs, he's an incredible player" and even Mitchell said: "Jorge is a key player for this team, with him everything would have been different, we missed him for all that he adds to the team". And now he's the 11th man in the roster..c'mon
Sam Mitchell, said last week that Garbajosa didnt play because he wasnt in good shape neither completelly recovered from his injury, but after last defeat against Boston, he said that he doesnt play only for "sport reasons" and that he has to recover his self-confidence. It seems a little bit contradictory to me.
Sam Mitchell's bad relationship with a spanish journalist in Toronto gave another proof about that he must be quite angry with Garbajosa. When this jounalist asked the Raptor's public relations director for an interview with Mitchell, he got the answer "Sam preffers not to talk with you, he knows that if he talks about Garbo, he can begin a fire". It doesnt sound very friendly to me.
In the latest declarations Mitchell did about Garbajosa,. he said "why should i worry about Garbajosa's situation? I worry about the team, not about a personal player. If i did, it would we a lack of respect for the rest. If you wanna know something, just ask him, for me the team is OK" Its quite strange too cause i remember him last year talking about the situations of players like Derrick Martin, Humphreys...but as I said, this is only my opinion.
IMHO a NBA team cant prohibit a player to play with his national team, but they can make him pay for it.I KISS BASKET
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Originally posted by NeozyrusIt seems a little bit contradictory to me.
IMHO a NBA team cant prohibit a player to play with his national team, but they can make him pay for it.
But Neozyrus, it's still very early in the NBA season. Toronto has only played 3 games. Perhaps the athletic trainers and doctors want to make sure that Garbajosa is really recovered or perhaps the team wants him to get a little rest or perhaps Mitchell is a bad coach. There are a lot of reasons that Garbajosa might not be playing....but it's still too early to worry, I think."I really like the attitudes of eagles. They never give up. When they grab a fish or something else, they never let it go. It doesn't matter. In a book, they write they find a skeleton of [an] eagle and there is no fish. It means that the fish beat him and killed him, but he didn't let go." -- Donatas Motiejunas
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When I watched the game live against the Sixers Garbo was absolutely horrendous on both ends of the floor. He couldn't keep up with his defender and he chucked a few bad shots. Whether he is hurt or not, the other bench guys in the Raptors have just outplayed him so far in the season, which is why they are getting some significant minutes. No disrespect to Garbo but
I think his game was a bit off, and since our bench just got deeper coming into this season, we don't really have to rely much on him as much as we did last season. Though I still think that down the stretch we will need him in the playoffs, right now, the priority is for him to get back on shape. Remember he just came from a serious injury.
Sam Mitchell's bad relationship with a spanish journalist in Toronto gave another proof about that he must be quite angry with Garbajosa. When this jounalist asked the Raptor's public relations director for an interview with Mitchell, he got the answer "Sam preffers not to talk with you, he knows that if he talks about Garbo, he can begin a fire". It doesnt sound very friendly to me.
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Originally posted by mvblairMe too.
Unfortunately, yes, you're right. And Colangelo and Mitchell should know this of all people, because they've assembled a team of players who played for their NTs: Bargani, Bosh, Garbajosa, Calderon, Nesterovic, and Pavlovic.
But Neozyrus, it's still very early in the NBA season. Toronto has only played 3 games. Perhaps the athletic trainers and doctors want to make sure that Garbajosa is really recovered or perhaps the team wants him to get a little rest or perhaps Mitchell is a bad coach. There are a lot of reasons that Garbajosa might not be playing....but it's still too early to worry, I think.I KISS BASKET
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Also, Ford is in great shape and has clearly outplayed Calderon so far, so stop whining for every Euro player and accept the fact, that sometimes their lack of playing time is also their fault, not only coaches'. Typical Old Europe, always blaming someone else, with no personal responsibility.
Why aint Jasikevicius getting enough playing time? May I automatically assume Obradovic is a stupid coach?
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Originally posted by kg06Doesn't matter who or where you are from, as long as you're from the media, expect some bashing from Sam.
Originally posted by neozyrusU r absolutely right, theres alot of games still, (78 right now) and i really hope that things really change for him, its just that, as it is a really new situation (He didnt play so little time since he was a junior player), its quite easy to begin to feel a little nervous.
Originally posted by Richey666[/QUOTEAlso, Ford is in great shape and has clearly outplayed Calderon so far, so stop whining for every Euro player and accept the fact, that sometimes their lack of playing time is also their fault, not only coaches'. Typical Old Europe, always blaming someone else, with no personal responsibility.
I don't think Ford has totally outplayed Calderon. I mean, Calderon has had some great moments in this early season, and even Mitchell has praised him throughout the pre-season. That's why it's so vexing that Calderon isn't getting more playing time."I really like the attitudes of eagles. They never give up. When they grab a fish or something else, they never let it go. It doesn't matter. In a book, they write they find a skeleton of [an] eagle and there is no fish. It means that the fish beat him and killed him, but he didn't let go." -- Donatas Motiejunas
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The Raptors may be regretting their decision to let Jorge Garbajosa play for Spain in the European Championships this summer after he had broken his leg late last season.
Despite not having surgery on the leg, which the team begged him to do, Garbajosa insisted that he was fine, and he played pretty well for Spain. (The team had to get temporary insurance on his $8 million contract.)
But through the Raptors' first five games this season, Garbajosa is shooting an anemic 21.4 percent from the floor and has played just 39 minutes, grabbing just eight rebounds. And since Garbajosa never has had great quickness, any loss of speed impacts his game.
"He's just not the same guy," a Jurassic observer noted this week. . . .
Jorge Garbajosa of the Raptors will not admit that anything is wrong with him, however it is apparent he hasn't healed completely from the broken leg he suffered last season. Garbajosa's refusal to have off-season surgery has put his career in a strange kind of limbo. He has gone from being an indispensible part of the Raptors team to being an afterthought.
MADRID, Spain (Ticker) - Jorge Garbajosa's minutes with the Toronto Raptors are down so far this season and his insistence on playing for Spain at EuroBasket 2007 may have something to do with it.
That's the view of Garbajosa's international teammate Pau Gasol.
"It's surprising and unexpected, (Garbajosa's) situation," the Memphis Grizzlies forward wrote in his weekly column in Spanish newspaper Marca.
"There's something strange going on because Jorge says that he feels fine. I think that for all the things he did in the summer and his desire to play in the national team at the EuroBasket, the Raptors have a bit of a grudge."Originally posted by FedfanMost ppl get childish when they lose.Originally posted by GuTOrefs in games of Spain walks with literally poop in his pants afraid of the Spanish players
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Big Garbajosa article from a Toronto paper today:
Still, if his game seems more tentative than it did last year, perhaps it's because his left ankle, when he removed his sneakers the other day, looked to be the size of a small cantaloupe, bloated like the rest of his lower left leg.
And perhaps it's because he is well aware that his fibula, when last x-rayed around the beginning of training camp, still hadn't fully healed.
On a practice court in Italy, Bryan Colangelo, the general manager, told reporters that there was, according to doctors, a "99 per cent chance" that the bone would not mend without further surgery.
So his leg's likely still broken. The infamous $1 million insurance policy that allowed him to play in the European championship is up on Nov. 30.Originally posted by FedfanMost ppl get childish when they lose.Originally posted by GuTOrefs in games of Spain walks with literally poop in his pants afraid of the Spanish players
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Thanks for the article. During the Spurs-Mavs game last night, David Aldridge said that Garbajosa was being rested by the team because of his injury."I really like the attitudes of eagles. They never give up. When they grab a fish or something else, they never let it go. It doesn't matter. In a book, they write they find a skeleton of [an] eagle and there is no fish. It means that the fish beat him and killed him, but he didn't let go." -- Donatas Motiejunas
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...and suddenly Garbajosa gets 24 minutes against Indiana tonight, and posts 8 points and 6 rebounds. Bargnani only played 4 minutes.Originally posted by FedfanMost ppl get childish when they lose.Originally posted by GuTOrefs in games of Spain walks with literally poop in his pants afraid of the Spanish players
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