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  • Will Nets win the title?

    OK, three superstars. Irving is moody guy, but he's hooping big time. Not much of the bench and some defensive issues, sure. On other hand, Durant and 2 other legitimate superstars. Can they win it all this season?
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    Good question - I think that they are totally under radar which is funny by itself. I expect them to go deep, maybe win it all. I know 3 superstars don't form a team but Nets aren't bad around those 3, too. Will be fun to see when they are in PO mood. I really don't see anybody in East that can beat them in 7, neither Sixer, nor Bucks, nor Celtics, nor Indiana, nor Heat nor anybody else. They are playing in 2nd gear right now. I thought about exact that question yesterday - in fact they are my premium pick for winning the title.
    Last edited by Katastroika; 02-16-2021, 01:42 PM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Katastroika View Post
      I really don't see anybody in East that can beat them in 7, neither Sixer, nor Bucks, nor Celtics, nor Indiana, nor Heat nor anybody else. They are playing in 2nd gear right now. I thought about exact that question yesterday - in fact they are my premium pick for winning the title.
      It's still too early... Many things can be different until the playoffs come for one to judge things and come up with safe conclusions based on comparing present rosters...

      The thing to watch with the Nets, but it also applies to the Lakers, the Sixers and the Clippers is their financial situation, all of them being "hard-capped"... It simply means that they can't add a free agent (contract buyouts to add are simply out of the question) and can't trade unless the trade causes salary reduction in the books...

      The Bucks will have a significantly upgraded roster by the playoffs and their starting roster is already up there with the best in the league.

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      • #4
        You think Bucks starters are equal to Nets and Lakers? Hm, I really don't know...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Katastroika View Post
          You think Bucks starters are equal to Nets and Lakers? Hm, I really don't know...
          Actually I do, I believe both Middleton and J. Holliday are well underrated (by the media and the people alike) top-20 players and of course Giannis is the best player in the world currently... Clearly the problem with the Bucks is in their bench depth and aging shows this season with Brook Lopez next to his limitations on being a "slow leg with clumsy moves" which he always was...

          I believe that if the Bucks can move Portis in the starting line-up and move Lopez to come from the bench, along with packing Wilson and Augustin and move them for a good combo guard and a big body wing/forward (Bjelica? Parker back? both?) then, they have nothing to fear against any team in the league...

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          • #6
            If the Nets really manage to sign Drummond this would be some kind of game changer for them. I'd literally call them unbeatable then with a rebounding machine behind all them talented superstars.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Katastroika View Post
              If the Nets really manage to sign Drummond this would be some kind of game changer for them. I'd literally call them unbeatable then with a rebounding machine behind all them talented superstars.
              It would. but you are wrong to assume that they can just add him... Drummond's salary is steep and the Nets have (by far) the worst financials in the league in their attempt to buy a championship. Under the CBA rules, they can only make a trade if it causes them to save salary in the books, they can't have out coming salaries being less than the incoming ones them being "hard-capped". They can't add a buyout either even if it causes only 1 penny of salary... It simply means that for them to add Drummond, they have to give away valuable assets... Moving Irving of course would make the deal possible, but would Irving ever agree to go back in Cleveland?

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              • #8
                The initial rumours suggested an accordet buy out with Nets and new signing (à la Griffin) so this wouldn't even be affected. Of course, I agree with you, it's not likely that Andre will sign a significantely recuded contract. I mean, I really don't know his ambitions, but knowing this US players it's simply unlikely. As far as I see this rumours has been heavily challenged by many sources, even WOJ considered it unlikely.

                For Irving - I think this isn't even near consideration, so we shouldn't even talk about it. But no, of course I wouldn't trade him for Drummond.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Katastroika View Post
                  The initial rumours suggested an accordet buy out with Nets and new signing (à la Griffin) so this wouldn't even be affected. Of course, I agree with you, it's not likely that Andre will sign a significantely recuded contract. I mean, I really don't know his ambitions, but knowing this US players it's simply unlikely. As far as I see this rumours has been heavily challenged by many sources, even WOJ considered it unlikely.

                  For Irving - I think this isn't even near consideration, so we shouldn't even talk about it. But no, of course I wouldn't trade him for Drummond.
                  It doesen't matter if the contract is significant, or if it is insignificant, the Nets can add zero salary, no team that is hard capped can add a penny of salary, not even if they waive players... Unless of course if getting rid of existing contracts in the books brings the total of salaries below the apron... Which is absoluyely impossible to happen with the Nets, them being 40M+ above the apron...

                  IMO, if the Nets won't win it this season, they'll have to blow the team up, because otherwise, they can only be "hard-capped" for the following three seasons while they'll be weakening the team all the time with respect to competition and will have to pay severe repeaters tax (additional to the lux tax) two seasons later, which will condemn them to the bottom of the league for at least a decade...

                  Partly why I said earlier that they aren't trying to win a title, but rather to buy one!

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                  • #10
                    I always thought that vet minimums and those things like Exhibit-10, disabled players contract etc. aren't involved in hard-capping and those kind of contracts could always be signed. If so, I don't understand how this rumour could even spread. I really am not into this details that much neither interested in those cap situations, I fully believe you as you are totally into this. Just commented genuinely the rumour.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Katastroika View Post
                      I always thought that vet minimums and those things like Exhibit-10, disabled players contract etc. aren't involved in hard-capping and those kind of contracts could always be signed. If so, I don't understand how this rumour could even spread. I really am not into this details that much neither interested in those cap situations, I fully believe you as you are totally into this. Just commented genuinely the rumour.
                      You only have to read the CBA... exhibit-10 has nothing to do with signing a baught out contract, rumors are just that... "rumors"! They are created on the web all over the world, without any origin what so ever, out of the minds of some "reporters" which are looking to publish articles and "sell" (lies)... What looks "sensible" to them, would probably make a GM of an NBA team laugh in more than 99% of the cases...

                      I earlier said that "it's too early for predictions"... I insist on this, simply because people tend to ignore financials when they predict, but also, because we have last season's example with the Heat coming out of nowhere and going straight to the finals... There are so many valuable players this season which would want to take the chance and win a "ring" and only a few teams that can add them... (Nets, Lakers, Clippers and Sixers are not included within the batch of teams that can...). Therefore at the end of the day it will come down to the ability of the remaining teams GMs to convince the managers of the players into "here is his chance"....

                      Of course I can only speak from (my) Bucks prespective... but in any case, I believe the difference with the Bucks this season is obvious...

                      1. In contra with the previous seasons, they've put a lot of attention on their starting 5 and have left the bench to fill out later....
                      2. They are in a financial condition which ensures "continuation", but can avoid to pay the lux tax this season too... (which of course will cause them to continue developing the team for the seasons which will follow)
                      3. The addition they need are all bench and cheap to add...
                      4. The starting roster has nothing to fear from any other starting roster in the league (inc. the Nets and the Lakers)...

                      Only my two cents of course, but among (very) few other contenders for the title, the Bucks are in a position to add both Nemanja Bjelica (via a trade), as well as Victor Olandipo (via a buyout) and then, after this (hypothetical) scenario, predictions can alter significantly... Don't you agree?

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                      • #12
                        I just gave example with Exhibit-10, invalidation contracts - I thought they aren't targeting the salary cap and cap spaces - but it's not even important - I simply don't care, bro

                        I watch basketball and I am no fan of an NBA team. I am fan of European basketball team from Serbia where payments and regulations are no must-have

                        Of course trades can be game-changers but if asked directly, no, I don't think Oladipo and Bjelica will change significantly power in the East. Generally I don't think Bucks are contenders (no hard feelings, it's just my impression from 3-4 games I saw from them until All Star break) and I think Nets will make it this year in the East. But it's just a feeling, of course everything can happen.

                        Cheers.

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