NBA jerseys with sponsors ? No way !

[Panathinaikos]

Greetings from Greece Europe.

After David Stern's era, Adam Silver is the new commissioner in NBA. Here in Europe we read that Adam Silver prepares some changes to the league.
A) Make the 3 point line shorter.
B) Allow the teams having sponsors on their jerseys.

Well...

Please do not let that guy make these changes!
The European Jerseys are very ugly due to their sponsors. You can't even read the team's name on it.
As for the 3 point line. If you make it closer eventually you'll get to see more shots for threes instead of real game inside the box.

That's just my opinion of course but I think that no one in NBA agrees with these suggestions.

[CKR13]

At this point, adding jerseys may not be so bad, so long as the accent matches and would not be too obstructive of the jerseys' aesthetics. MLS kits are designed to strike balance and they are not so bad.



Besides the ads on jerseys, there were talks of reformatting the playoff brackets, eliminating divisions and the 4 point play. The latter would be very anomalous.

[Panathinaikos]

Well... In football / socker is another thing. Sponsors don't ruin the jerseys' aesthetics.
But sponsors in basketball jerseys looks very anti-aesthetics.

For example take a look at Panathinaikos Athens jersey by the time D.Wilkins was playing here.


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All you can see is the sponsor's name! If u r not familiar with Euro basket, then u won't be able to understand which team is this. Or probably think that the name of this team is Beck's.
I prefer the NBA jerseys with the team's name written on the jerseys.

I can't just imagine this happening in NBA for example.
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It would be hilarious !!!

As it concerns eliminating divisions I think it would be good to happened. But the 4pt line is a joke and I totally agree with you!

[CKR13]

Well... In football / socker is another thing. Sponsors don't ruin the jerseys' aesthetics.
But sponsors in basketball jerseys looks very anti-aesthetics.

For example take a look at Panathinaikos Athens jersey by the time D.Wilkins was playing here.


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All you can see is the sponsor's name! If u r not familiar with Euro basket, then u won't be able to understand which team is this. Or probably think that the name of this team is Beck's.
I prefer the NBA jerseys with the team's name written on the jerseys.

I can't just imagine this happening in NBA for example.
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It would be hilarious !!!

If you ask me, I prefer the simplicity of EL's jerseys over the NBA's accented ones. Nowadays, the NBA teams' jerseys that I admire are the simple ones like Bucks, Cavs and Jazz. I've been dying to get my hands on Alba Berlin's jerseys. This maybe a case of getting used to for everyone.

[Joško Poljak Fan]

NBA is an organisation that likes to regulate everything. If they'll do a good job and keep those adds on jerseys within normal boundaries I don't think it would really be a big deal. They'll make a study on their jersey sales in case of commercial on them, add pluses and minuses and decide accordingly.
In my opinion their biggest oppurtunity for growth is in the competition format, some variants with abolishing salary cap, rework of the way lottery works and generaly anything that would help increasing interest for the game to the 90ies level. Sponsor adds on jerseys are probably one of the minor changes, with general consent among the public about some big stuff not working properly those probably shouldn't be high on the list.

[Panathinaikos]

R u talking about this jersey?

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It follows the same design with Nba's jerseys though. All you can see on this jersey is the team's name. That's my point as well. Basketball jerseys must be recognisable.
And the most Euroleague's jerseys are not so simple as you say because you can see more than one sponsor on the jersey. It is a real mess !!!

I also don't like the new NBA jerseys with the long sleeves. Looks so wrong to my eyes.

Josko no one said that the jersey's design is a major issue for the future of the NBA. And I'm sure that if they prosed to add sponsors on Nba's jerseys they are going to be very careful in order to avoid ruin the jersey's aesthetic.

[CKR13]

R u talking about this jersey?

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It follows the same design with Nba's jerseys though. All you can see on this jersey is the team's name. That's my point as well. Basketball jerseys must be recognisable.
And the most Euroleague's jerseys are not so simple as you say because you can see more than one sponsor on the jersey. It is a real mess !!!

Yes that one and this one. But don't mind "the recycling group", it is not much visible when viewed from afar.



I don't like the one version with TinTag at the stomach though. You're right about having too many sponsor tags. Alba Berlin has that one type where the front looks like a newspaper. But knowing the regulation or sometimes lack thereof the NBA, they may maximize the space by having two that are deemed too excessive.

[Panathinaikos]

CKR13 how come u like a euroleague's jersey? And especially Alba's which in not so popular team in Europe. Do u have any relations with Europe?

[CKR13]

CKR13 how come u like a euroleague's jersey? And especially Alba's which in not so popular team in Europe. Do u have any relations with Europe?

I like EL's simplicity and its ties with team history. One NBA team that does this is the Boston Celtics. I do follow Euroleague teams like Alba Berlin and Caja Laboral. Most of all, I appreciate the fluidity of Europe's basketball wherein execution and focus is the philosophy, unlike other NBA teams that freelance most of the time. Plus fans in Europe have that almost spiritual connection with their team unlike the bandwagon nature of the NBA.

[Panathinaikos]

I think that NBA the last years is trying to add more sponsors everywhere !!!

I have spot some new places that sponsors have been advertised in NBA courts.
1) On the vertical basket's protecting layer (can't find the proper word) where we can see KIA company.
2) On the horizontal part of the basket above the rim which they have install a small advertising electronic screen on it. You can see it in most basketball courts in states.

I really hope that the court floor will stay impact from sponsors though. In Euroleague's floors you can see miscellaneous advertisings everywhere, especially on the court's centre.
I prefer the NBA floor courts with the teams badges on it.

Euroleague's court floors looks more like a Photo album instead of court floors.
Some arenas in Europe looks like NBA's one though. Especially those arenas which they have the advertising electronic screens around the court's stands.

[Panathinaikos]

I like EL's simplicity and its ties with team history. One NBA team that does this is the Boston Celtics. I do follow Euroleague teams like Alba Berlin and Caja Laboral. Most of all, I appreciate the fluidity of Europe's basketball wherein execution and focus is the philosophy, unlike other NBA teams that freelance most of the time. Plus fans in Europe have that almost spiritual connection with their team unlike the bandwagon nature of the NBA.

Since you like Boston Celtics you should support Panathinaikos Athens due to their similarities. Green colour same badge (the shamrock) etc.
I admire the structure of the NBA as a league! I don't really like the regular period though. Those games are not quite a basketball games. At list not a serious ones. I believe that 80 games are a lot and there's no point of having so many games. On the other hand I really like the play-off games and the Final which requires 5 wins in order to claim the champ!
I don't like Euroleague's final four idea though. I don't find it so fair for the teams. In just a single final game you can't be certain if the best team won the champ.


Any way.

The true is here in Europe we play more sceptic more tactic basketball games. That's because all the EL's regular season games are important to the teams instead of the Nba's regular season games which they are pointless in most games.
That's why in EL we don't have so attractive games ''show wise.''

I believe EL can adopt some very good things happening in NBA and I wish for basketball to be played around the world under the same rules !!! It might be the only sport which its rules difference from continent to continent.

The worst thing in NBA is the fact that the teams are freelance. You can't build bonds with fans like that.
I remember when I read that Seattle Sonics ended in 2008 I felt so bad. I really liked that team and the first thing it crossed my mind it was ''what the Sonics fans are going to do about this? How are they going to accept it? Not to see their favourite team ever again?'' Pictures with S.Kemp and all these division champs included the NBA champ, will belong to the past now. And I doubt that any of the Sonics fans follows the Thunders.

But then I realised that NBA teams are just freelance companies. So sad as that, because they can take away from the fans the teams that they loved !!!
Although is something that never going to happened with Celtics or Lakers because of their huge fan base. Thank god.

Here in Europe all the basketball teams are coming from sports clubs with great history in other sports as well. Football soccer Volley ball water polo etc. So let's just say that those teams are here for ever.

I'd like to ask you how you people see the upcoming scenario of having an NBA team from Mexico? I think that I red it somewhere.
Will NBA expands to Mexico as well after Canada?

[Joško Poljak Fan]

Josko no one said that the jersey's design is a major issue for the future of the NBA. And I'm sure that if they prosed to add sponsors on Nba's jerseys they are going to be very careful in order to avoid ruin the jersey's aesthetic.

I know I'm just thinking out loud.

While some of the discussion goes around the popularity of teams across the US, I came across this map basicaly showing the popularity of various teams as much as that can be shown by the number of likes on their Facebook pages. Quite interesting. And yes, judging from it Thunder have basicaly no support in the Seattle area.

[CKR13]

I think that NBA the last years is trying to add more sponsors everywhere !!!

I have spot some new places that sponsors have been advertised in NBA courts.
1) On the vertical basket's protecting layer (can't find the proper word) where we can see KIA company.
2) On the horizontal part of the basket above the rim which they have install a small advertising electronic screen on it. You can see it in most basketball courts in states.

I really hope that the court floor will stay impact from sponsors though. In Euroleague's floors you can see miscellaneous advertisings everywhere, especially on the court's centre.
I prefer the NBA floor courts with the teams badges on it.

Euroleague's court floors looks more like a Photo album instead of court floors.
Some arenas in Europe looks like NBA's one though. Especially those arenas which they have the advertising electronic screens around the court's stands.

I think that those sponsor areas are standard logistics for the NBA. I remember when the 76ers held a public workout and inter-exhibition here in Roanoke VA. The Honda center
was filled with banners and sponsors. From the local organizers, they told us that the NBA and 76ers management had strict regulations for sponsorships and there were conditions such as item placements were to be satisfied for the 76ers to actually come over. All that for a summer exhibition game.

In the NBA D-League, the NBA's experimental grounds, sponsor stickers are already in the floor and by next season, D-Leage may have sponsored jerseys.

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Since you like Boston Celtics you should support Panathinaikos Athens due to their similarities. Green colour same badge (the shamrock) etc.
I admire the structure of the NBA as a league! I don't really like the regular period though. Those games are not quite a basketball games. At list not a serious ones. I believe that 80 games are a lot and there's no point of having so many games. On the other hand I really like the play-off games and the Final which requires 5 wins in order to claim the champ!
I don't like Euroleague's final four idea though. I don't find it so fair for the teams. In just a single final game you can't be certain if the best team won the champ.


Any way.

The true is here in Europe we play more sceptic more tactic basketball games. That's because all the EL's regular season games are important to the teams instead of the Nba's regular season games which they are pointless in most games.
That's why in EL we don't have so attractive games ''show wise.''

I believe EL can adopt some very good things happening in NBA and I wish for basketball to be played around the world under the same rules !!! It might be the only sport which its rules difference from continent to continent.

The worst thing in NBA is the fact that the teams are freelance. You can't build bonds with fans like that.
I remember when I read that Seattle Sonics ended in 2008 I felt so bad. I really liked that team and the first thing it crossed my mind it was ''what the Sonics fans are going to do about this? How are they going to accept it? Not to see their favourite team ever again?'' Pictures with S.Kemp and all these division champs included the NBA champ, will belong to the past now. And I doubt that any of the Sonics fans follows the Thunders.

But then I realised that NBA teams are just freelance companies. So sad as that, because they can take away from the fans the teams that they loved !!!
Although is something that never going to happened with Celtics or Lakers because of their huge fan base. Thank god.

Here in Europe all the basketball teams are coming from sports clubs with great history in other sports as well. Football soccer Volley ball water polo etc. So let's just say that those teams are here for ever.

I'd like to ask you how you people see the upcoming scenario of having an NBA team from Mexico? I think that I red it somewhere.
Will NBA expands to Mexico as well after Canada?

True, the NBA's 82 games could be too long to some and there were talks over the years of shortening it to preserve players, but the board would not budge as it meant loss of profitability. Both the NBA and Euroleague's structure has their own advantages and disadvantages. It took me awhile to get used to the 7-7-7-7 playoff format where prior to that it was 3-3-7-7. But I also enjoy the atmosphere and the sense of urgency of each Euroleague games come the F4 as it gives the same intensity one would expect from the thrilling NCAA format.

The Euroleague is starting to embrace globalization too, aside from the NBA Europe Live tour, Euroleague teams like Real Madrid are starting to bridge out to Asia wherein the past year, they played a Beijing team from the CBA. Commercially, there is a lot of viability and profit from embracing the other side of the world. As for me and the Euroleague, I'm sticking with Alba Berlin as there are a lot of German expats here in Roanoke that I can start a fan club. Again, I like the sporting club structure of Europe that encompasses both football and basketball alike. Here in North America, it may be unthinkable to lose a franchise deeply embedded with basketball history. Which is why the Sonics relocating to Oklahoma was a bit of a shocker considering that the Seattle area was once an urban basketball hotspot since the 1970's that made it to heights reached in the 90's. We almost lost the Kings too, but thankfully they stayed.

For the Mexican expansion, I think it was discussed before during the era of David Stern but no genuine actions were undertaken, especially pointed out where security concerns and having to finance an NBA standards arena that does not come cheap. I remember an exhibition game played by the Spurs some years back, they were heavily escorted by the police for security and they were not allowed to mingle with the public and just stay in the hotel grounds. As for Canada getting another expansion team, I would love it. I think Vancouver deserves another NBA team.

David Stern suggested to Adam Silver last year to study a new model for the NBA that eliminates divisions and make room for the NBA to expand beyond 30 teams but at the moment, it seems crazy to think about it. For me, the talks of expanding across the Atlantic like London is simply impossible.

[Panathinaikos]

Thanks CKR13 for your enlightening answers and for your correspond to this thread.
To tell you the truth I wasn't expecting some one from USA to talk with such a good words about European basketball.
I think that the only reason NBA has not expands overseas (in Europe) yet is the great distance between our continents.
In order to avoid these great distances then we should relocate the European team in a Usa soil. Or the American team to a European soil.
But here's no point of having a Euro team playing in NBA.
NBA is the USA's pro basketball league and the league's candidates should be only American teams.

If Euroleague ever becomes a competitive league to the NBA then it would be nice to have the ''World final'' between the Euro-champ and the Nba champ.
Something like the Intercontinental cup in football which the Euro Champion team plays against the American champion.
FIBA brought back the intercontinental games in 2013 but I never understood why it has to be between the Euroleague champion vs the South America champion. I know that both leagues belongs to FIBA but it would be more interesting to see the NBA champion team vs Euroleague's champion team. (of course there's a gap between these two worlds and the NBA team would easily win the intercontinental championship)

The biggest problem with basketball is that its been played under different rules in USA and the rest of the world. That creates a problem especially for the USA national team which has to fit its game into Fiba's rules. Basketball rules should be the same, should be universal in order to avoid these problems.
I like the NBA's rules because they favourites the offensive game. And as long as I have seen Euroleague is adding more and more new things from NBA's rules in its league.

Rules that have been changed in Euro league/Fiba the last 5-8 years.

1) The 24 seconds attack clock. (It used to be 30 sec)
2) The 3 point line went further in 6.75 meters from 6.25 The plans is to make it 7.25 but we have to make the Europeans courts bigger.
3) We divided the game in 4 periods instead of 2 periods.
4) We changed the restricted area's shape from a trapezoidal to rectangular and we added the restricted area arc under the rim.
5) The addition of three referees instead of two.

After all these changes the European style of game forced to be more aggressive more offensive.
I think that is a matter of time for Euroleague to allow the first step to players and to expand the game's duration to 48 minutes instead of 40) Of course if the duration goes to a 48 minutes then we have to increase the foul out penalty from 5 to 6.

Something else I would like to see in Europe changing is the way the European referees calls the fouls. Most of times when the defender player makes a block even if that is a clear stop we call it as a foul.

Any way. I believe that in some stage basketball will be played under the same logic and rules all over the world.

The Euroleague is starting to embrace globalization too, aside from the NBA Europe Live tour, Euroleague teams like Real Madrid are starting to bridge out to Asia wherein the past year, they played a Beijing team from the CBA. .

Panathinaikos Athens did the same thing this year. They played an exhibition game in China. They even signed in a Chinese player to their roster. He was the first Chinese player playing in Europe. (He was to weak though and he never found a place in Greek team. He played just few minutes only in Greek league games)
I'm not so sure though if Panathinaikos managed to achieved adding new fans in China.

In the NBA D-League, the NBA's experimental grounds, sponsor stickers are already in the floor and by next season, D-Leage may have sponsored jerseys.

Well that's wired because I have seen some NBDL games cause of Giannis brother (Thanasis Antetokoumbo) but I didn't notice any sponsor stickers on the court floor.

[CKR13]

Thanks CKR13 for your enlightening answers and for your correspond to this thread.
To tell you the truth I wasn't expecting some one from USA to talk with such a good words about European basketball.
I think that the only reason NBA has not expands overseas (in Europe) yet is the great distance between our continents.
In order to avoid these great distances then we should relocate the European team in a Usa soil. Or the American team to a European soil.
But here's no point of having a Euro team playing in NBA.
NBA is the USA's pro basketball league and the league's candidates should be only American teams.

If Euroleague ever becomes a competitive league to the NBA then it would be nice to have the ''World final'' between the Euro-champ and the Nba champ.
Something like the Intercontinental cup in football which the Euro Champion team plays against the American champion.

The biggest problem with basketball is that its been played under different rules in USA and the rest of the world. That creates a problem especially for the USA national team which has to fit its game into Fiba's rules. Basketball rules should be the same, should be universal in order to avoid these problems.
I like the NBA's rules because they favourites the offensive game. And as long as I have seen Euroleague is adding more and more new things from NBA's rules in its league.

Rules that have been changed in Euro league/Fiba the last 5-8 years.

1) The 24 seconds attack clock. (It used to be 30 sec)
2) The 3 point line went further in 6.75 meters from 6.25 The plans is to make it 7.25 but we have to make the Europeans courts bigger.
3) We divided the game in 4 periods instead of 2 periods.
4) We changed the restricted area's shape from a trapezoidal to rectangular and we added the restricted area arc under the rim.
5) The addition of three referees instead of two.

After all these changes the European style of game forced to be more aggressive more offensive.
I think that is a matter of time for Euroleague to allow the first step to players and to expand the game's duration to 48 minutes instead of 40)

Yes, I agree that the NBA should not expand across Europe as the brand stands no chance of prospering there. I think that Canada can hold another team in the near future.

Euroleague plays quality basketball and something like the old McDonald's Club championship could be in store with the near future. Last year, FIBA Americas and FIBA Europe launched the Intercontinental cup that featured a friendly between Olympiacos and Pinheiros Sao Paulo. Maybe in the near future, the NBA champs can accommodate the cup into their pre-season schedule.

As for the rules, here in the US NBA rules and NCAA rules are far apart with each tinkering with their own improvements. ACC recently implemented the 30 sec shot clock from the 35 sec. Several NCAA coaches wanted the 24 shot clock for the NCAA. Thanks for the info about the EL's rules changes. I didn't know that they are looking to expand the three point lane to 7.25m. I guess FIBA in its entirety are coping with the rules progress in regards with the NBA and Europe. Must be difficult to look at both and adjust accordingly.