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  • So NBA isn't affiliated with FIBA, why does FIBA still recognize NBA?

    So a Chinese club, Beijing Ducks signed a player named Orien Greene, who played in the NBA for a few games earlier this year. Beijing spent $45k on his NBA D-league team for his release. Now that he's finally in China, the CBA told the club he can't play. Why? Because FIBA says so, and CBA is affiliated with FIBA.

    A Google search reveals that he tampered with a urine test (used another player's urine) in the Netherlands and FIBA banned him for two years. But the ban should have been lifted March 12, 2011 which has already passed. So what's going on?

    According to FIBA, because he played in the NBA/NBA D-league in the past 2 years he violated the FIBA ban. So the 2-year ban has been prolonged indefinitely at the discretion of FIBA. But this seems ridiculous because if FIBA has no control over NBA then why does it recognize NBA as a legitimate league? If NBA is not legit then Greene did not violate anything, right?

    Anyway, Beijing looks like the dumbest team in the world for spending that much money getting nothing in return.
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  • #2
    The NBA's players have IMMUNITY from all FIBA drug testing. This is part of the original contract signed by the NBA, FIBA, and the Olympic committee back in 1989, when FIBA turned professional.

    I have explained this probably 15 times in this forum.

    The player is IMMUNE from failing a FIBA drug test if he plays in the NBA or NBA D-League. Just like Team USA players are all immune if they fail a drug test at a FIBA tournament (including the Olympics).

    Once he tries to play with the CBA club he is no longer immune because after having signed the contract with the CBA club he is no longer an NBA or NBA D-League player. He has therefore lost his IMMUNITY to failing FIBA drug tests and he must serve his time ban before he could play.

    It's amazing that people still don't know that the NBA players have IMMUNITY from failing FIBA drug tests.

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    • #3
      There is clearly someting wrong if NBA at THE OLYMPICS are immune. I understand that within the NBA, they "tolerate" bypassing drug tests because we have multi-million dollar irresponsible almost "untouchable" ball players... but in the Olympics, get tested or don't come in at all.. and good riddance if I may add. No athlete is superior to any other athlete or has advantages the other athletes don't have.

      And since the subject has opened, most American professional sports leagues are marred with this "turning a blind eye" to drugging and in general all irresponsble behaviour, including sexual misbehaviour (you know the joke about how many illegitimate children NBA players have produced in every city they visit...) and the use of narcotics by the players and ownership of illegal fire arms, which is different from the activity enhancing drugs and far more serious and are clearly of a criminal nature.

      Regarding drugs, at least the NBA is a "tolerable" league, as compared to American football players where an absolute majority of the players are drug positive to develop their bodies, so that they act more brutally and brutishly on the ground, like any street thug on a corner, but nobody bothers.

      Baseball professional leagues are a haven of drugs enhancing performance for what is a very discredited sport with the double standards worthy of third world dictatorships.

      As for ice hockey, brawls and hooliganisms are not only tolerated, but even encouraged, although very very recently, they at the NHL have been known to apply some penalties.

      American football, baseball and ice hockey are just one degree short of sports of even more notorious standards like world wrestling federations, extreme sports, and their shams, sport of weightlifting and sadly boxing as well.

      Boxing has the added illegality of being practically run by criminal gangs who profiteer from fixed matches and illegal gambling bets.

      No, its not a good picture, the picture of professional sports. But we have to start somewhere.

      And basketball at the NBA level is a good place to start to give professional basketball a good name... I dont want to watch a player who refuses to get tested. Change the sytem for a game that prides itself on the rule of "fair game".

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      • #4
        Originally posted by FIBA Europe Basket View Post
        The NBA's players have IMMUNITY from all FIBA drug testing. This is part of the original contract signed by the NBA, FIBA, and the Olympic committee back in 1989, when FIBA turned professional.

        I have explained this probably 15 times in this forum.

        The player is IMMUNE from failing a FIBA drug test if he plays in the NBA or NBA D-League. Just like Team USA players are all immune if they fail a drug test at a FIBA tournament (including the Olympics).

        Once he tries to play with the CBA club he is no longer immune because after having signed the contract with the CBA club he is no longer an NBA or NBA D-League player. He has therefore lost his IMMUNITY to failing FIBA drug tests and he must serve his time ban before he could play.

        It's amazing that people still don't know that the NBA players have IMMUNITY from failing FIBA drug tests.
        So you say that LeBron can use doping all his life and don't fear anybody? Even in Olympics?

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        • #5
          Yes, pretty much. A lot of the American players start doping in high school while they are in the AAU system. It's pretty much standard practice in US sports culture in all sports for the athletes to start doping in high school or even junior high school.

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          • #6
            Absurd. FIBA must be joking.
            "I really like the attitudes of eagles. They never give up. When they grab a fish or something else, they never let it go. It doesn't matter. In a book, they write they find a skeleton of [an] eagle and there is no fish. It means that the fish beat him and killed him, but he didn't let go." -- Donatas Motiejunas

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            • #7
              Originally posted by FIBA Europe Basket View Post
              Yes, pretty much. A lot of the American players start doping in high school while they are in the AAU system. It's pretty much standard practice in US sports culture in all sports for the athletes to start doping in high school or even junior high school.
              how much doping did Spanoulis use to lose all his hair by his mid 20s?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by FIBA Europe Basket View Post
                The NBA's players have IMMUNITY from all FIBA drug testing. This is part of the original contract signed by the NBA, FIBA, and the Olympic committee back in 1989, when FIBA turned professional.

                I have explained this probably 15 times in this forum.

                The player is IMMUNE from failing a FIBA drug test if he plays in the NBA or NBA D-League. Just like Team USA players are all immune if they fail a drug test at a FIBA tournament (including the Olympics).

                Once he tries to play with the CBA club he is no longer immune because after having signed the contract with the CBA club he is no longer an NBA or NBA D-League player. He has therefore lost his IMMUNITY to failing FIBA drug tests and he must serve his time ban before he could play.

                It's amazing that people still don't know that the NBA players have IMMUNITY from failing FIBA drug tests.
                That's not the point. The ridiculous thing here is how NBA flat out ignored FIBA's ban, and how FIBA "retaliated" by punishing Greene. Basically NBA doesn't give a shit about FIBA, while FIBA wants to tell the rest of the world that IT is more powerful than NBA. I have no sympathies for Greene, punish him all you want. But we have parties (I am no Beijing fan BTW) who suffered unnecessary from the tug-of-war by FIBA vs. NBA, and that's absurd.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by FIBA Europe Basket View Post
                  Yes, pretty much. A lot of the American players start doping in high school while they are in the AAU system. It's pretty much standard practice in US sports culture in all sports for the athletes to start doping in high school or even junior high school.
                  thats inaccurate. i played high school, aau and college ball in the usa. there was no one doping, altho for sports like football and wrestling, there were some isolated examples.

                  basketball players dont really dope, because the term doping, as its policed in international sports, such as in FIBA, usually refers to performance enhancing drugs, aimed at gaining an advantage.

                  the drug most nba players take, and is probably the case with orien greene, is marijuana, which is not a performance enhancing drug. cocaine used to be popular, but after the death of len bias, players got scared off it. the nba playrs are untouchable, becuz they have a great union and the nba is a unique sports entertainment business where the players share in the profits. it makes no sense to destroy that by persecutuing players for toking weed.
                  fiba is more of an political body, and its decisions will be politically based and influenced.

                  fiba's decision makes no sense, becuz whats the player supposed to do? sit at home for two years? he basically trained in the nba d league for two years while serving his ban.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by FIBA Europe Basket View Post
                    The NBA's players have IMMUNITY from all FIBA drug testing. This is part of the original contract signed by the NBA, FIBA, and the Olympic committee back in 1989, when FIBA turned professional.

                    I have explained this probably 15 times in this forum.

                    The player is IMMUNE from failing a FIBA drug test if he plays in the NBA or NBA D-League. Just like Team USA players are all immune if they fail a drug test at a FIBA tournament (including the Olympics).

                    Once he tries to play with the CBA club he is no longer immune because after having signed the contract with the CBA club he is no longer an NBA or NBA D-League player. He has therefore lost his IMMUNITY to failing FIBA drug tests and he must serve his time ban before he could play.

                    It's amazing that people still don't know that the NBA players have IMMUNITY from failing FIBA drug tests.
                    No, they don't. The USA team gets tested like everyone else before and after an international event. Why keep posting these lies "15 times" if they are completely false?

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                    • #11
                      This issue gets more complicated now that Greene is back in the NBA D-league (Utah Flash).
                      http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2011...n-nba-d-league
                      At least two D-League teams have filed a formal complaint to the D-League arguing that Greene should not be allowed to re-join the Utah Flash. The league’s executive committee — made up of various team’s front office personnel — is also filing a complaint as well with the league.

                      The reason for the complaints, I’m told, are that since the D-League is FIBA-sanctioned, Greene should not be allowed to play if he’s been ruled ineligible to play elsewhere. The complaints also brought up an issue that questioning the D-League front office as it has apparently bent the rules for the Utah Flash and Greene after not being willing to do so for other teams in the league.
                      So NBA D-league IS FIBA sanctioned?
                      Updating again with new information from the league office

                      None of the NBA affiliated leagues are subject to the disciplinary rulings of FIBA, though they do have a process in place for honoring each other's contracts (i.e. If Orien Greene had been under contract with a team overseas, he wouldn't have been able to play for the Flash).

                      I sincerely apologize for the misinformation published earlier today.
                      Anyway the entire thing makes no sense.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Jon_Koncak View Post
                        how much doping did Spanoulis use to lose all his hair by his mid 20s?
                        That's a pretty funny statement.

                        But it still doesn't change the fact that some NBA players use steroids. It's not a supported fact because nothing has been said about it.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Franz View Post
                          That's a pretty funny statement.

                          But it still doesn't change the fact that some NBA players use steroids. It's not a supported fact because nothing has been said about it.
                          Whether some players in the NBA use steroids is an entirely different issue from whether they are tested in international play.

                          There will always be some cheaters that's a fact, but the idea that NBA players are immune to international testing has been so thoroughly debunked multiple times it's amazing someone can still get a response making such a trollish claim.
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