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  • Wu-Tang
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    Originally posted by mvblair View Post
    I've been Becirovičed.

    As for Okur, well, yes, I think he's a solid player. He could start on most teams, but he's still on the "bottom half" of his career, I think. If he had the minutes he has now when he was in Detroit (people forget that he was a pretty good athlete back then), he would have been an All-Star too.
    Consistently low fg% for a C though. Nevertheless an impact player.

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  • mvblair
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    Originally posted by rikhardur View Post
    So Ohionian of you Matt.
    I've been Becirovičed.

    Originally posted by Wu-Tang
    I like "Bad Vlad". Perhaps a biased argumentation will follow but in my belief Radmanovic never fully developed his true potential. Great athleticism, great physic,, good shooter. Capable of playing on both wings. As for this season, i would put him in either or. His main problem is attitude towards the game, he's not employing a serious approach to the game. I hypothesize that this fact is explained by his semi-star self-perception. As much as i respect the likes of Peja, he would never be able to to anything similar to this:
    Yes, it could be the case that he was "too full of himself." He had a few good NBA opportunities. I think his last few years in Seattle were absolutely great and he was almost an All Star one year. Unfortunately, that just couldn't continue. He played well with the Lakers, but, as you said, never really developed.

    As for Okur, well, yes, I think he's a solid player. He could start on most teams, but he's still on the "bottom half" of his career, I think. If he had the minutes he has now when he was in Detroit (people forget that he was a pretty good athlete back then), he would have been an All-Star too.

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  • rikhardur
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    Originally posted by mvblair View Post
    Radmonivic?
    So Ohionian of you Matt.

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  • bfpri
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    Yi belongs to the either/or category. He stats may have gone up, but he's still inconsistent, has gotten injured again, and his team is the worst in the league.

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  • Wu-Tang
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    Originally posted by mvblair View Post
    Okur is a great player, but his production has dropped a little this year. Last year, he scored at least 20 points most nights. If he didn't score 20 points, I was surprised. This year, if he does score 20 points, I'm surprised. I'd say it's been a disappointing year not only for Okur, but for most of the Jazz players (except for the undrafted rookie Wesley Matthews). Considering Okur's terrible conditioning, he could be in the bottom half of his career. Still, he's a valuable part of the team. Neither a success nor a disappointment.
    I think Okur is a solid center, fitting well into the Jazzers system of play. But i also do believe he is in the borderlands between success and failure this season compared to his other seasons. Resembles much on Krstic's playing style. However, he has clearly surpassed Krstic. Krstic has up until this point not been able to meet his Jersey standards. On the other hand, Kidd was a teammate of his back then.

    Radmonivic? He's disappointed me since he left Seattle. When he was in Seattle, I thought he played just like Shawn Marion: good shooting, good drives, good defense. I really thought they were very similar players. But then he went to LA and Charlotte and now San Francisco. He's still a good player, but he doesn't get as many minutes as Anthony Tolliver (Golden State's starting PF), which puzzles me because Tolliver shoots a terribly low percentage and doesn't seem very productive at all.
    I like "Bad Vlad". Perhaps a biased argumentation will follow but in my belief Radmanovic never fully developed his true potential. Great athleticism, great physic,, good shooter. Capable of playing on both wings. As for this season, i would put him in either or. His main problem is attitude towards the game, he's not employing a serious approach to the game. I hypothesize that this fact is explained by his semi-star self-perception. As much as i respect the likes of Peja, he would never be able to to anything similar to this:

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  • mvblair
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    Originally posted by Wu-Tang View Post
    Appreciate your sharings. Care to maybe assess VladRad and Okur into the listings?
    Okur is a great player, but his production has dropped a little this year. Last year, he scored at least 20 points most nights. If he didn't score 20 points, I was surprised. This year, if he does score 20 points, I'm surprised. I'd say it's been a disappointing year not only for Okur, but for most of the Jazz players (except for the undrafted rookie Wesley Matthews). Considering Okur's terrible conditioning, he could be in the bottom half of his career. Still, he's a valuable part of the team. Neither a success nor a disappointment.

    Radmonivic? He's disappointed me since he left Seattle. When he was in Seattle, I thought he played just like Shawn Marion: good shooting, good drives, good defense. I really thought they were very similar players. But then he went to LA and Charlotte and now San Francisco. He's still a good player, but he doesn't get as many minutes as Anthony Tolliver (Golden State's starting PF), which puzzles me because Tolliver shoots a terribly low percentage and doesn't seem very productive at all.

    What do you think about Okur and Radmonivic, Wu?

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  • Wu-Tang
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    Originally posted by mvblair View Post
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    Appreciate your sharings. Care to maybe assess VladRad and Okur into the listings?

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  • LordOfLeyte
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    Looking back, the Bucks are glad they made that small transaction to acquire Delfino.

    Moving forward, It is my personal disappointment that Patrick Mills has been given extremely limited minutes after his recovery from injury despite the Blazers depletion due to injuries and the moving of Steve Blake.

    While I'm quite a bit glad that David Andersen is contributing as well with 5.8 ppg and 3.9 rpg. It could be better though.

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  • durden_tyler
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    Originally posted by LordOfLeyte View Post
    Carlos Delfino also made notable contribution to the Buck's success of late as Delfino's numbers are around 10 ppg and 5 rpg as well as 2 aspgs.
    Moreover i think it's his defensive intensity that is helping the Bucks more. He's a Skiles favorite because of his toughness and tenacity--- it helps that he can hit shots-- but more oft than not he's assigned to the other team's best player.

    Bogut is indeed having a career year (especially after the All Star break).
    i do think he is the best international player this year (yeah, more than Nash) because he's actually the main man...

    Ginobli started off the season not in the best of shape but as of lately he's been the one carrying the Spurs on his shoulders (after Parker got injured and with Duncan not playing well recently)
    i do hope he finds a way out of the Spurs if they decide to rebuild.

    Casspi could be considered as the best international rookie for this season.
    Agree. But who he's competing against anyway? Not many.

    Scola is so efficient and is playing great for the Rockets.
    Like Manu, i wish he was playing for a contender because of the age...

    Nash is still Nash
    And yeah, still the man in Phoenix. i still am pissed that he decided to stay in Arizona--- because the honest fact is, he won't win a ring there

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  • LordOfLeyte
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    Carlos Delfino also made notable contribution to the Buck's success of late as Delfino's numbers are around 10 ppg and 5 rpg as well as 2 aspgs.

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  • Khalid80
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    Bogut is indeed having a career year (especially after the All Star break).

    Ginobli started off the season not in the best of shape but as of lately he's been the one carrying the Spurs on his shoulders (after Parker got injured and with Duncan not playing well recently)

    Casspi could be considered as the best international rookie for this season.

    Scola is so efficient and is playing great for the Rockets.

    Nash is still Nash

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  • eliooo93
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    Goran Dragic really surprised me.. He's doing a great job as a back up PG!

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  • mvblair
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    Originally posted by durden_tyler View Post
    Carlos Arroyo - This guy lucked out in Miami. First he was a third string point behind Chalmers and Alston. When Chalmers went down because of injuries and Alston got in (personal) troubles the Heat had no choice but to start the Puerto Rican.
    Well, yes, Arroyo did get lucky. But he's found a good amount of success with his luck. Plus, I really think it was a matter of time before he started in the NBA again.
    Rudy Fernandez - After they traded Blake/Outlaw i thought Fernandez will grab the reins and be that instant constant impact off the bench--- that's not happening at all, except maybe once for every 5 games. That's not a production you expect from the talented Spaniard as he can fit the SG/SF spots in Portland and he's not maximizing the minutes he's getting. He definitely belongs to the disappointing group.
    Yeah, now that you put it that way, I think I have to agree with you. I really wish he could get more minutes. I don't know if it's his fault or the coach's.
    Marcin Gortat - Sure we want more minutes for the Polish big man but even then he's maximizing his production (unlike Rudy F.) when Howard is in foul trouble. He's going to be used in the postseason, bet on it, and he will contribute nicely as well.
    Yes, he will get more minutes. Big men always get more minutes come play-off time. Still, I think he'd be a starter on some other teams (New Orleans, Charlotte, etc.)
    Such a good (long) list, Blair. Good job.
    Thanks, man.
    Originally posted by JGX
    Serge Ibaka has to be considered a big success.
    Oh!! How could I leave him off!! Definitely a major success: he's getting great minutes on a decent team even though he's a rookie. He's also making good contributions to OKC with his hustle on the boards. Good call.

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  • JGX
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    Serge Ibaka has to be considered a big success.

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  • durden_tyler
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    Pretty much agree with Blair's lists except for a few notables:

    Carlos Arroyo - This guy lucked out in Miami. First he was a third string point behind Chalmers and Alston. When Chalmers went down because of injuries and Alston got in (personal) troubles the Heat had no choice but to start the Puerto Rican.

    Sure, he's playing effective the past week/s but it's more on the lack of better options. He's not the long-term answer just good enough to be the band-aid solution this year for Miami, which aren't serious contenders at all and will most likely get the boot in the opening round.

    Rudy Fernandez - After they traded Blake/Outlaw i thought Fernandez will grab the reins and be that instant constant impact off the bench--- that's not happening at all, except maybe once for every 5 games. That's not a production you expect from the talented Spaniard as he can fit the SG/SF spots in Portland and he's not maximizing the minutes he's getting. He definitely belongs to the disappointing group.

    Marcin Gortat - Sure we want more minutes for the Polish big man but even then he's maximizing his production (unlike Rudy F.) when Howard is in foul trouble. He's going to be used in the postseason, bet on it, and he will contribute nicely as well.

    Such a good (long) list, Blair. Good job.

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