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  • My 2010 International Successes and Disappointments

    It's been a pretty competitive season so far in the NBA. It's assumed that Cleveland and Los Angeles will play in the Finals, but there will be some stiff competition from Denver, Orlando, San Antonio, Dallas, and maybe even Atlanta.

    Leaving out established players like Dirk, Manu, and Nash, international players continue to find success in the league (we should probably leave out Bogut, Scola, and Horford too). Unfortunately, for every successful international player, there is another one who finds disappointment.

    Successes
    • Carlos Arroyo - It was only a matter of time before Arroyo returned to an NBA starting line up
    • Andrea Bargnani - After being declared a "bust" his rookie year, Bargnani broke out last year and continues to show fantastic athleticism
    • Rodrigue Beaubois - He wasn't supposed to play this year, but his 7 points in 10 minutes per game shows incredible promise
    • Andrew Bogut - Bogut has Milwaukee playing enjoyable, tough basketball and is averaging career highs in points and rebounds
    • Omri Casspi - the NBA has been waiting for an Israeli player for many years; the first has been great, scoring 11 points and 5 rebounds per game
    • Goran Dragic - When Steve Nash eventually leaves Phoenix, the Suns will be smart to keep this scoring PG
    • Danilo Gallinari - a poor rookie season last year has turned into a great sophomore season under Mike D'Antoni
    • Marc Gasol - with Gay and Zach Randolph, Gasol has helped Memphis gain some respect in the NBA. He's a half rebound away from averaging a double-double
    • Hamed Haddadi - in recent games, Haddadi has gotten some minutes and shown that he's pretty good
    • Al Horford - He's got Atlanta in a good play-off position and is half a rebound away from averaging a double-double
    • Ersan İlyasova - His triumphant return as a solid role-player after leaving Milwaukee for Barcelona has been great to watch
    • Yi Jianlian - His team is terrible and he's missed a lot of games, but Yi's scoring is up
    • Luc Richard Mbah a Moute - He's from UCLA, but I still like him. Great defense and solid offense, plus his team is a strong play-off team
    • Luis Scola - Scola anchors Houston's front court with 16 points and 9 rebounds per game. Somewhere, a GM in San Antonio is crying
    • Thabo Sefolosha - His scoring is down this year, but OKC is in the play-offs with some thanks to his defense
    • Anderson Varejão - Cleveland is playing great and Varejão's hustle has become a huge factor for the team


    Disappointments
    • Andris Biedriņš - Injuries have hampered him all year and he's only had one double-double. That's a far cry from the kid who signed a $54 million contract last year
    • Marco Belinelli - He teases Raptors fans with beautiful shooting but he's too hot and cold
    • Jose Calderon - He's lost about 3 assists per game since last year and his team is not playing well
    • Kyrylo Fesenko - Perhaps too much was expected of Fesenko, but he hasn't shown very much in his third season with Utah
    • Dan Gadzuric - He's seen better years. His minutes are down significantly from past years and his 42% shooting has made him a non-factor for Milwaukee
    • Marcin Gortat - Orlando didn't let him go to another team this summer, knowing that he was a great player who won't get many minutes behind Dwight Howard
    • Darko Miličić - He's finally on a team that actually wants him to play and he's put up good numbers, but still nowhere close to what he's capable of
    • Andrés Nocioni - Instead of playing for a play-off contender, Nocioni is stuck on a team that's rebuilding
    • Zaza Pachulia - After rocking Atlanta into their recent success in 2005/06, his minutes are way down this year
    • Sergio Rodríguez - It might not be his fault, but a lot of people expected a lot more from Spanish Chocolate when he got to New York
    • Peja Stojakovic - Once an MVP candidate when he was with Sacramento, Peja's career has dropped precipitously
    • Hedo Türkoğlu - It's hard to say that Türkoğlu has improved. He's down in all statistical categories and can't seem to do a thing to help Toronto. Absolutely disappointing after a great few years in Orlando


    Either/Or
    • Rudy Fernández - He still has jaw-dropping plays, but he missed a month, hurting Porland and his chances at the starting line-up
    • Nenad Krstić - his team is successful, but his statistics are down from his days as New Jersey's play-off center
    • Andre Kirilenko - everyone wants him to repeat his 2005/06 season when he was an MVP candidate and triple double machine...he's doing OK but has never gotten back to that level
    • Žydrūnas Ilgauskas - if he goes back to Cleveland, he'll be a wild success as his career winds down
    • Hasheem Thabeet - he's still a rookie and it shows
    • Beno Udrih - Udrih is still playing well for an awful team, but a lot of his fans expected more. Rookie Tyreke Evans is taking a little away from Udrih's game
    "I really like the attitudes of eagles. They never give up. When they grab a fish or something else, they never let it go. It doesn't matter. In a book, they write they find a skeleton of [an] eagle and there is no fish. It means that the fish beat him and killed him, but he didn't let go." -- Donatas Motiejunas

  • #2
    Perhaps one of the disappointments are on the Timberwolves as they could not have enlisted Ricard Rubio.

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    • #3
      Pretty much agree with Blair's lists except for a few notables:

      Carlos Arroyo - This guy lucked out in Miami. First he was a third string point behind Chalmers and Alston. When Chalmers went down because of injuries and Alston got in (personal) troubles the Heat had no choice but to start the Puerto Rican.

      Sure, he's playing effective the past week/s but it's more on the lack of better options. He's not the long-term answer just good enough to be the band-aid solution this year for Miami, which aren't serious contenders at all and will most likely get the boot in the opening round.

      Rudy Fernandez - After they traded Blake/Outlaw i thought Fernandez will grab the reins and be that instant constant impact off the bench--- that's not happening at all, except maybe once for every 5 games. That's not a production you expect from the talented Spaniard as he can fit the SG/SF spots in Portland and he's not maximizing the minutes he's getting. He definitely belongs to the disappointing group.

      Marcin Gortat - Sure we want more minutes for the Polish big man but even then he's maximizing his production (unlike Rudy F.) when Howard is in foul trouble. He's going to be used in the postseason, bet on it, and he will contribute nicely as well.

      Such a good (long) list, Blair. Good job.
      If there is no basketball in heaven, i am NOT going.

      SMALLBALL, bitches..

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      • #4
        Serge Ibaka has to be considered a big success.
        Originally posted by Fedfan
        Most ppl get childish when they lose.
        Originally posted by GuTO
        refs in games of Spain walks with literally poop in his pants afraid of the Spanish players

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        • #5
          Originally posted by durden_tyler View Post
          Carlos Arroyo - This guy lucked out in Miami. First he was a third string point behind Chalmers and Alston. When Chalmers went down because of injuries and Alston got in (personal) troubles the Heat had no choice but to start the Puerto Rican.
          Well, yes, Arroyo did get lucky. But he's found a good amount of success with his luck. Plus, I really think it was a matter of time before he started in the NBA again.
          Rudy Fernandez - After they traded Blake/Outlaw i thought Fernandez will grab the reins and be that instant constant impact off the bench--- that's not happening at all, except maybe once for every 5 games. That's not a production you expect from the talented Spaniard as he can fit the SG/SF spots in Portland and he's not maximizing the minutes he's getting. He definitely belongs to the disappointing group.
          Yeah, now that you put it that way, I think I have to agree with you. I really wish he could get more minutes. I don't know if it's his fault or the coach's.
          Marcin Gortat - Sure we want more minutes for the Polish big man but even then he's maximizing his production (unlike Rudy F.) when Howard is in foul trouble. He's going to be used in the postseason, bet on it, and he will contribute nicely as well.
          Yes, he will get more minutes. Big men always get more minutes come play-off time. Still, I think he'd be a starter on some other teams (New Orleans, Charlotte, etc.)
          Such a good (long) list, Blair. Good job.
          Thanks, man.
          Originally posted by JGX
          Serge Ibaka has to be considered a big success.
          Oh!! How could I leave him off!! Definitely a major success: he's getting great minutes on a decent team even though he's a rookie. He's also making good contributions to OKC with his hustle on the boards. Good call.
          "I really like the attitudes of eagles. They never give up. When they grab a fish or something else, they never let it go. It doesn't matter. In a book, they write they find a skeleton of [an] eagle and there is no fish. It means that the fish beat him and killed him, but he didn't let go." -- Donatas Motiejunas

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          • #6
            Goran Dragic really surprised me.. He's doing a great job as a back up PG!

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            • #7
              Bogut is indeed having a career year (especially after the All Star break).

              Ginobli started off the season not in the best of shape but as of lately he's been the one carrying the Spurs on his shoulders (after Parker got injured and with Duncan not playing well recently)

              Casspi could be considered as the best international rookie for this season.

              Scola is so efficient and is playing great for the Rockets.

              Nash is still Nash

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              • #8
                Carlos Delfino also made notable contribution to the Buck's success of late as Delfino's numbers are around 10 ppg and 5 rpg as well as 2 aspgs.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by LordOfLeyte View Post
                  Carlos Delfino also made notable contribution to the Buck's success of late as Delfino's numbers are around 10 ppg and 5 rpg as well as 2 aspgs.
                  Moreover i think it's his defensive intensity that is helping the Bucks more. He's a Skiles favorite because of his toughness and tenacity--- it helps that he can hit shots-- but more oft than not he's assigned to the other team's best player.

                  Bogut is indeed having a career year (especially after the All Star break).
                  i do think he is the best international player this year (yeah, more than Nash) because he's actually the main man...

                  Ginobli started off the season not in the best of shape but as of lately he's been the one carrying the Spurs on his shoulders (after Parker got injured and with Duncan not playing well recently)
                  i do hope he finds a way out of the Spurs if they decide to rebuild.

                  Casspi could be considered as the best international rookie for this season.
                  Agree. But who he's competing against anyway? Not many.

                  Scola is so efficient and is playing great for the Rockets.
                  Like Manu, i wish he was playing for a contender because of the age...

                  Nash is still Nash
                  And yeah, still the man in Phoenix. i still am pissed that he decided to stay in Arizona--- because the honest fact is, he won't win a ring there
                  If there is no basketball in heaven, i am NOT going.

                  SMALLBALL, bitches..

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                  • #10
                    Looking back, the Bucks are glad they made that small transaction to acquire Delfino.

                    Moving forward, It is my personal disappointment that Patrick Mills has been given extremely limited minutes after his recovery from injury despite the Blazers depletion due to injuries and the moving of Steve Blake.

                    While I'm quite a bit glad that David Andersen is contributing as well with 5.8 ppg and 3.9 rpg. It could be better though.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mvblair View Post
                      [/LIST]
                      Appreciate your sharings. Care to maybe assess VladRad and Okur into the listings?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Wu-Tang View Post
                        Appreciate your sharings. Care to maybe assess VladRad and Okur into the listings?
                        Okur is a great player, but his production has dropped a little this year. Last year, he scored at least 20 points most nights. If he didn't score 20 points, I was surprised. This year, if he does score 20 points, I'm surprised. I'd say it's been a disappointing year not only for Okur, but for most of the Jazz players (except for the undrafted rookie Wesley Matthews). Considering Okur's terrible conditioning, he could be in the bottom half of his career. Still, he's a valuable part of the team. Neither a success nor a disappointment.

                        Radmonivic? He's disappointed me since he left Seattle. When he was in Seattle, I thought he played just like Shawn Marion: good shooting, good drives, good defense. I really thought they were very similar players. But then he went to LA and Charlotte and now San Francisco. He's still a good player, but he doesn't get as many minutes as Anthony Tolliver (Golden State's starting PF), which puzzles me because Tolliver shoots a terribly low percentage and doesn't seem very productive at all.

                        What do you think about Okur and Radmonivic, Wu?
                        "I really like the attitudes of eagles. They never give up. When they grab a fish or something else, they never let it go. It doesn't matter. In a book, they write they find a skeleton of [an] eagle and there is no fish. It means that the fish beat him and killed him, but he didn't let go." -- Donatas Motiejunas

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mvblair View Post
                          Okur is a great player, but his production has dropped a little this year. Last year, he scored at least 20 points most nights. If he didn't score 20 points, I was surprised. This year, if he does score 20 points, I'm surprised. I'd say it's been a disappointing year not only for Okur, but for most of the Jazz players (except for the undrafted rookie Wesley Matthews). Considering Okur's terrible conditioning, he could be in the bottom half of his career. Still, he's a valuable part of the team. Neither a success nor a disappointment.
                          I think Okur is a solid center, fitting well into the Jazzers system of play. But i also do believe he is in the borderlands between success and failure this season compared to his other seasons. Resembles much on Krstic's playing style. However, he has clearly surpassed Krstic. Krstic has up until this point not been able to meet his Jersey standards. On the other hand, Kidd was a teammate of his back then.

                          Radmonivic? He's disappointed me since he left Seattle. When he was in Seattle, I thought he played just like Shawn Marion: good shooting, good drives, good defense. I really thought they were very similar players. But then he went to LA and Charlotte and now San Francisco. He's still a good player, but he doesn't get as many minutes as Anthony Tolliver (Golden State's starting PF), which puzzles me because Tolliver shoots a terribly low percentage and doesn't seem very productive at all.
                          I like "Bad Vlad". Perhaps a biased argumentation will follow but in my belief Radmanovic never fully developed his true potential. Great athleticism, great physic,, good shooter. Capable of playing on both wings. As for this season, i would put him in either or. His main problem is attitude towards the game, he's not employing a serious approach to the game. I hypothesize that this fact is explained by his semi-star self-perception. As much as i respect the likes of Peja, he would never be able to to anything similar to this:

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                          • #14
                            Yi belongs to the either/or category. He stats may have gone up, but he's still inconsistent, has gotten injured again, and his team is the worst in the league.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by mvblair View Post
                              Radmonivic?
                              So Ohionian of you Matt.
                              Die Liebe wird eine Krankheit, wenn man sie als eine Heilung sieht
                              Artificial Nature

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