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  • #31
    Originally posted by R1ou View Post
    We want that too but basically it's really tough every generation to have high caliber players consistently especially when you speak about countries with 5-10M population.
    Yes. Thats why basketball must become very big in big nations like France, Germany, England, Russia, Italy, etc.. It is decent in Spain but still not even 5% of the football.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by thespywhozaggedme View Post
      PC nonsense. To deny that blacks overall are better athletes than whites is denial and indoctrination at its worst.
      Listen, there is no such thing as black people or white people. Those terms are a poor way to describe human beings. If you mean by "black" the people of sub Sahara Africa and there descendants living abroad then you should know that not all of those people are the same. same goes for the term "white". Someone from that you may call "white" whose ancestors come from Ireland are very different from someone that comes from say Serbia or Turkey. In the same way someone from the country of Somalia, Kenya and Ethiopia are very different from people from Nigeria, Senegal & Ghana. We are all equally human so it doesn't matter much. I'm just saying using the terms black and white to describe entire groups of people is just inaccurate to the truth/reality of human diversity.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Bruno Díaz es Batman View Post
        Everyone want the same, but you must understand that Serbia (7 millions), Croatia (4 millions), Australia (23 millions), Lithuania (3 millions), Argentina (40 millions), Spain (45 millions) and France (65 millions) together have less population than the US (318 millions).

        How many elite players have Minnesota, Massachusetts and Virginia?

        Colangelo just said a bullshit (sorry).
        Yeah population is a significant factor in discovering athletic talent. So agree with much of your point. However population is not the only factor in developing basketball talent. Culture and info-structure is also significantly important. Leituva has shown that a small population that is dedicated culturally to basketball can achieve excellence. Just think If Brazil, Ex-Yugo, Turkey, Spain & France had the same basketball culture as Lietuva what would happen?? Would they be better than USA? Maybe not (who knows) BUT it would be more competitive like Soccer/Football/FIFA.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by MZT Skopje View Post
          handball is a top 2-3 sports in many nations in europe Germany top 2, France top 3 today beat basketball long ago, Romania, Hungary, whole scandinavia, balcan top 3, etc. I would say handball and basketball is about 50/50 in europe. Macedonia invest a lot in club handball RK Vardar have above 10 milion euro budget, RK Metalurg 3 milion. If we speak about female sport than handball is way way more developed in europe than female basketball. Also female vollyball is in front of female basketball.
          Handball is a niche sport. Your country invests a lot in the game, because it is impossible to compete in other team sports.
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          • #35
            LTU 3 milion people. But to stay competive in basketball (In europe not against USA) they needed to give up on all other team sports like football, hockey, handball, vollyball, etc. They did not even qualify in any other team sport.

            Yeah population is not everything look at Iceland 300.000 people made top 8 in the biggest sport. But this is unique happens onece in 1000 years. + basketball is offensive sport, in football you can win even when you are outplayd. Just ask Greece hahaha.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Raze Lupin View Post
              Yeah population is a significant factor in discovering athletic talent. So agree with much of your point. However population is not the only factor in developing basketball talent. Culture and info-structure is also significantly important. Leituva has shown that a small population that is dedicated culturally to basketball can achieve excellence. Just think If Brazil, Ex-Yugo, Turkey, Spain & France had the same basketball culture as Lietuva what would happen?? Would they be better than USA? Maybe not (who knows) BUT it would be more competitive like Soccer/Football/FIFA.
              In basketball it is far harder to make an upset against a very good team than in football. A very good organized defense can take you very far. In basketball you have to score.

              That said, how many US states would be able to beat the USA?
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              • #37
                Originally posted by Victorious View Post
                Handball is a niche sport. Your country invests a lot in the game, because it is impossible to compete in other team sports.
                Ye maybe in Greece lol. Clubs like PSG, Barcelona in handball has 20 milion euro budget. A lo more than lets say top budget in vollyball.

                Mácedonians are crazy in handball and russian businessman Segej Samsonenko shows up from nowhere and invested 12 milion euro budget in mens team RK Vardar and 4 milion in womens team ZRK Vardar.

                Listen with 12 milion euros MZT Skopje would fight for top 16 in EL basketball. Maybe even top 8 with little luck.

                + this russian started to invest in the football club FK Vardar too. 10 milion euro budget so close to beat both APOEL last year 1-1 and 0-0 and Dinamo Zagreb. But is no doubt FK Vardar will make at least uefa euro league soon and also have a shoot at CL groups....
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Raze Lupin View Post
                  Yeah population is a significant factor in discovering athletic talent. So agree with much of your point. However population is not the only factor in developing basketball talent. Culture and info-structure is also significantly important. Leituva has shown that a small population that is dedicated culturally to basketball can achieve excellence. Just think If Brazil, Ex-Yugo, Turkey, Spain & France had the same basketball culture as Lietuva what would happen?? Would they be better than USA? Maybe not (who knows) BUT it would be more competitive like Soccer/Football/FIFA.
                  Sure, but here people don't wanna play basketball, in Europe people wanna play football, and it's not gonna change because Colangelo has said this.

                  And in football with an average athleticism and a great tactical work a team can achieve many successes, while in basketball technical talent and the physical is much more essential.

                  Sorry for my poor english, I'm learning it.
                  Last edited by Bruno Díaz es Batman; 08-22-2016, 09:06 PM.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Victorious View Post
                    In basketball it is far harder to make an upset against a very good team than in football. A very good organized defense can take you very far. In basketball you have to score.

                    That said, how many US states would be able to beat the USA?

                    True, basketball is offensive sport and better team allways win if motivated. Football you can park the buss in front of the goal and win 0-1...

                    Thats why basketball in europe need more active players....
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by MZT Skopje View Post
                      Ye maybe in Greece lol. Clubs like PSG, Barcelona in handball has 20 milion euro budget. A lo more than lets say top budget in vollyball.

                      Mácedonians are crazy in handball and russian businessman Segej Samsonenko shows up from nowhere and invested 12 milion euro budget in mens team RK Vardar and 4 milion in womens team ZRK Vardar.

                      Listen with 12 milion euros MZT Skopje would fight for top 16 in EL basketball. Maybe even top 8 with little luck.

                      + this russian started to invest in the football club FK Vardar too. 10 milion euro budget so close to beat both APOEL last year 1-1 and 0-0 and Dinamo Zagreb. But is no doubt FK Vardar will make at least uefa euro league soon and also have a shoot at CL groups....
                      Once again, no one cares about handball. Barcelona wants to be a big team which invests some money in all sports. Indoor football is even more popular than handball. Germany invests some money in it, but the public takes it lightly. No one really knows handball players, no more than they do players from the basketball bundesliga. Everyone knows Dirk though.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Victorious View Post
                        In basketball it is far harder to make an upset against a very good team than in football. A very good organized defense can take you very far. In basketball you have to score.

                        That said, how many US states would be able to beat the USA?
                        My point is NOT that USA is the exact standard to which all countries can achieve but that these other countries could maximize their talent like Lietuva and increase wins. Also they could be more formidable and yes beat USA. To answer your question. If I count college transfers as state membership then there are a number of states that could beat or at least compete well with team USA. Maybe 3 or 4 states.

                        Here is something to think about if the Serbian team had PG: Goran Dragic & Mios Teososic SG: Bogdan Bogdanajvic, Bojan Bogdanavic SF/C Nikola Vucevic, Dario Saric, Raduljica, Jokic, Nemanja Belijica, Kallenic and other players from this Serbia team. They would be formidable. They would probably not loose by 30pts to this current USA team. They may even win.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Victorious View Post
                          Once again, no one cares about handball. Barcelona wants to be a big team which invests some money in all sports. Indoor football is even more popular than handball. Germany invests some money in it, but the public takes it lightly. No one really knows handball players, no more than they do players from the basketball bundesliga. Everyone knows Dirk though.
                          Loool, Zelezerac Skopje made it into top 5 last year in futsal uefa CL. With 1 milion euro budget.

                          Lool handball is second biggest sport in Germany, top clubs has bigger budgets than Alba Berlin, etc. You know French basketball champion 6 milion euro budget, PSG handball 20.......

                          I know you want to insult the sport. Cuz it is national team sport in Macedonia but hey EC and WC has about 8500 public average per game... Baskeball EC not even close even with 4 host.
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                          • #43
                            I think Colangelo's frustration is not that other nations can't defeat the USA; rather, he's frustrated they can't beat Serbia. Speaking for myself, if the USA faces Serbia again in the next final, then I might lose interest in FIBA competition. More importantly, the elite USA players might feel the same. That's no slight to Serbia. In fact, I admire them; there isn't much excitement in beating a nation that's at such a disadvantage in population. What up, Brazil? What up, Russia? You seriously can't field a team to beat a nation of 7 million.

                            If Australia and Canada can get their national teams competitive on a consistent basis, then that would makes things interesting from an American perspective.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Bruno Díaz es Batman View Post
                              Sure, but here people don't wanna play basketball, in Europe people wanna play football, and it's not gonna change because Colangelo has said this.

                              And in football with an average athleticism and a great tactical work a team can achieve many successes, while in basketball technical talent and the physical is much more essential.

                              Sorry for my poor english, I'm learning it.
                              I do not believe Colangelo believed basketball will be the number 1 sport in Europe. He is just an old man who LOVES basketball & is passionate about it. He did not intend disrespect.

                              My point was that if basketball was more popular there would be more talents discovered in Europe. That is all. Your English is fine����

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by MZT Skopje View Post

                                Lool handball is second biggest sport in Germany, top clubs has bigger budgets than Alba Berlin, etc. You know French basketball champion 6 milion euro budget, PSG handball 20.......
                                Well, let's see here. handball budgets and basketball budgets in Euroleague and domestic leagues

                                I would say the average handball budgets of Germany, France, Spain altogether are somewhat lower than the average basketball budget of the Adriatic basketball league which in 2013 averaged 3.3 million euro's per team. There's more money floating around in the VTB United league, than the whole handball world.

                                Also, looking at the German teams it is evident that the basketball teams in Germany have higher budgets than handball teams. Moreover, only two handball teams in France have higher budgets than the top basketball teams of the French league. I find that understanding since France has zero Euroleague teams, while they are contenders in handball with more or less similar budgets. As for most of the rest of Europe, I won't even comment on that.
                                Last edited by Victorious; 08-22-2016, 10:19 PM.
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