2016 Olympic Power Rankings

[vuxsa]

Men stopped

Teodosic plays better for clubs,not national team.

Teodosic plays good for NT, you'd do him wrong by saying he plays better for clubs. His wish to play for NT and what he gives is at least legit as Kalnietis's.

Saying that Kalnietis is better player is simply wishful thinking. Of course he is good, just that Teo is better. No dubious statistics can overthrow that😊

[G&B]

Men stopped Teodosic is best Europe PG offensively.Defensively he sucks that is proven.But compare him to Kalnietis is funny.Kalnietis is obviuos atleast level behind...

What comes to national team games,its a bit diffrent story Kalnietis always played very well for national team,way better than in clubs.Thats why i like him very much,when he wears our national team jersey he leaves everything he got out there...playing 35minutes per game .

Teodosic plays better for clubs,not national team.



I will give you that : in period 2010-2015 Lithuania-Serbia battles i dont remember Teo obviuosly outplaying Mantas in head to head matches,usually it was close,but Lithuania won more games againts Teodosic Serbia.And PG must take some blame for that,because Serbia didnt have less talented teams in those years than Lithuania.

It is talking only about the national competition and the role of players in them. Competition in club teams anyone tame when it comes to national teams and top-level match.

[Shawshank]

All the latest Kalnietis-Teodosić between games:
2015
LTU - silver medal
SRB- IV place
semifinal LTU- SRB 67:64
Kalnietis PPG-12; APG-9; RPG-5 all games PPG-10.6; APG-7,8; RPG-2.9.
Teodosić PPG-16; APG-3; RPG-3 all games PPG-11.8; APG-7.1; RPG-2.7.


2014
Kalnietis did not play because of an injury

2013

LTU - silver medal
SRB- VII place
Group LTU- SRB 56:63
Statistics have not found, but it is not as important as this race group,but the Kalnietis was one of the main guides to silver medal


2012

Serbia does not come into OG

2011

LTU - V place
SRB- VIII place
group LTU- SRB 100: 90
Statistics have not found, but it is not as important as this race group.

2010

LTU - bronze medals
SRB- IV place
Little finale LTU- SRB 99:88
Statistics have not found, but the Kalnietis was one of the main guides to victory


and what is this joker?

Men stopped Teodosic is best Europe PG offensively.Defensively he sucks that is proven.But compare him to Kalnietis is funny.Kalnietis is obviuos atleast level behind...

What comes to national team games,its a bit diffrent story Kalnietis always played very well for national team,way better than in clubs.Thats why i like him very much,when he wears our national team jersey he leaves everything he got out there...playing 35minutes per game .

Teodosic plays better for clubs,not national team.



I will give you that : in period 2010-2015 Lithuania-Serbia battles i dont remember Teo obviuosly outplaying Mantas in head to head matches,usually it was close,but Lithuania won more games againts Teodosic Serbia.And PG must take some blame for that,because Serbia didnt have less talented teams in those years than Lithuania.

[G&B]

You are joking, right?

All the latest Kalnietis-Teodosić between games:
2015
LTU - silver medal
SRB- IV place
semifinal LTU- SRB 67:64
Kalnietis PPG-12; APG-9; RPG-5 all games PPG-10.6; APG-7,8; RPG-2.9.
Teodosić PPG-16; APG-3; RPG-3 all games PPG-11.8; APG-7.1; RPG-2.7.


2014
Kalnietis did not play because of an injury

2013

LTU - silver medal
SRB- VII place
Group LTU- SRB 56:63
Statistics have not found, but it is not as important as this race group,but the Kalnietis was one of the main guides to silver medal


2012

Serbia does not come into OG

2011

LTU - V place
SRB- VIII place
group LTU- SRB 100: 90
Statistics have not found, but it is not as important as this race group.

2010

LTU - bronze medals
SRB- IV place
Little finale LTU- SRB 99:88
Statistics have not found, but the Kalnietis was one of the main guides to victory


and what is this joker?

[aussieasker]

Australia is capable of beating every team other than the USA. The problem is they are also probably capable of losing to every team in the tournament (although they'd beat China, Venezuela and Nigeria most times that they play them). They are also unlikely to consistently beat good teams, which you have to do if you want to medal. Hopefully Simmons, Exum, Maker, etc. will eventually lift the team to a new level.

[Dtown]

I feel the Boomers will do what they always do, just make the knock out stage and put up a respectable fight against what ever 1st seed comes out of the other group. The only good thing for them is that they're guaranteed not to play the US in that knockout game for once.

[ncjazz]

I agree. I don't understand why everyone always overrates them.
They never do anything in these tournaments.

I still would not sleep on the Boomers. Ingles was missing from the NT for a while but is back and of course Bogut just came back. Do I need to mention Delly?

[Ashtrusis_dantis]

Now I even don't know what's worse. G&B with his rankings and similar stuff or people still reacting to it

Ou common, G&B is what? 12? 14? How clever was you at that age? Wait 10 more years and he will be rational young man. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wVCK-CV5do

[Mindozas]

Now I even don't know what's worse. G&B with his rankings and similar stuff or people still reacting to it

[Picek]

Why Teodosić ranking higher than the Kalnietis? Kalnietis all mutual duels won against Teodosić, even more in the last official tournament Kalnietis statistics are better.

You are joking, right?

[G&B]

Why Teodosić ranking higher than the Kalnietis? Kalnietis all mutual duels won against Teodosić, even more in the last official tournament Kalnietis statistics are better.

[IronUnion]

Teodosic doesn't want to play in NBA unless it's his choice and under his terms. He has refused NBA offers for last 5 years. Every year they want him. Bogdanovic is going next year to Sacramento. Smart to hold out for bigger contract and not to play in Phoenix in that backfield.

Using video game rating is ridiculous. Also being in NBA is not always the right representation of current skill level of a player. Sabonis is a player WITH ZERO SERIOUS basketball games in the professional waters. He was given a rating based on what? His play at Gonzaga? This is just laughable. Also I repeat, ranking teams based only on player quality, rather then how they play together is not the way to go.

We can agree on a tier system for players something like this:

Tier 1 - NBA All-Pro Megastars (Top 6-7 players in NBA like Durant, Curry, LeBron, Westbrook etc...)
Tier 2 - NBA All-Stars (rest of NBA all star level players)
Tier 3 - Quality NBA Starters + Euroleague superstars
Tier 4 - NBA Role Players + Euroleague all stars
Tier 5 - NBA Scrubs and Rookies + Euroleague Starters + Youngsters/High Upside guys
Tier 6 - The rest

Something like that, and then rank players not based on their 2k ratings, or retarded things like PER. Think about their real quality, how they are suited for FIBA play, system they play in, coaches etc. etc. Then rank the teams. Teodosic cannot be mentioned in the same sentence with Sabonis or Jankunas, maybe some years down the line we can talk about it. Now, it's laughable.

Thanks. I will remake that in one week. If this is closer to the reality, but i cannot overvalue european stars, because USA will crush europeans by 20-40 points

[CoachZ]

I thought about this. If i put Teodosic with NBA stars in one tier, that would be unfair, because he is not playing together. Also he is weak in defence. He is playing with europeans. This is lower level. Then i got to include Rodriguez, Heurtel, Bogdanovic and probably more players in to one tier. So why are they not playing in NBA? So i gave only two points for all european stars. I think, Sabonis and Jankunas, they are good players and they do belong to the one tier. Sabonis 2k17 rate is 72, 2k15 Jankunas - 72-74 (15.5 EFF in 2015/2016 Euroleague season), Teodosic - 76 (17.7 EFF), Bogdanovic (12.5 EFF), Bjelica - 72. If i put Sabonis and Jankunas in to lower tier, this would mean they the same level as players from south America or Australia, playing in local weaker leagues. Sabonis is playing great, also like Hernangomez or Abrines (NBA carrers). They are worth to be together in european star level. Well, im trying to be objective for all national teams. what to do with Kalnietis? He has only 1.5 points, but he provide good playing for Lithuania and that is worth more points, but my counts are based on statistics, except high level NBA players. He is lower level than Teodosic. If i gave 1.5 for Kalnietis and 2.5 points for teodosic, that would be realy unfair. And Maciulis with 1.5 points and 54 Eff in game against Georgia.

NBA stars are more worthy than Europeans stars, but many NBA players does not mean that this roster will be better than team with just one NBA player. Check Serbia with 20 points and just 1 NBA player and check Brazil with 5 NBA players and only 18 points. Another thing, i use 2K ratings just to be sure i put NBA players in to right tiers. For instance, Calderon plays 28 min per game, but he has only 72-73 2K rating. Nicola Jokic plays only 20 min per game, but he has 77 2K rating. Jokic is realy better level than veteran Calderon. So i gave 2.5 points for Jokic, and 2 points for Calderon.

Teodosic doesn't want to play in NBA unless it's his choice and under his terms. He has refused NBA offers for last 5 years. Every year they want him. Bogdanovic is going next year to Sacramento. Smart to hold out for bigger contract and not to play in Phoenix in that backfield.

Using video game rating is ridiculous. Also being in NBA is not always the right representation of current skill level of a player. Sabonis is a player WITH ZERO SERIOUS basketball games in the professional waters. He was given a rating based on what? His play at Gonzaga? This is just laughable. Also I repeat, ranking teams based only on player quality, rather then how they play together is not the way to go.

We can agree on a tier system for players something like this:

Tier 1 - NBA All-Pro Megastars (Top 6-7 players in NBA like Durant, Curry, LeBron, Westbrook etc...)
Tier 2 - NBA All-Stars (rest of NBA all star level players)
Tier 3 - Quality NBA Starters + Euroleague superstars
Tier 4 - NBA Role Players + Euroleague all stars
Tier 5 - NBA Scrubs and Rookies + Euroleague Starters + Youngsters/High Upside guys
Tier 6 - The rest

Something like that, and then rank players not based on their 2k ratings, or retarded things like PER. Think about their real quality, how they are suited for FIBA play, system they play in, coaches etc. etc. Then rank the teams. Teodosic cannot be mentioned in the same sentence with Sabonis or Jankunas, maybe some years down the line we can talk about it. Now, it's laughable.

[IronUnion]

Yeah just seen it. As soon as I saw Sabonis and Jankunas in same tier with Bogdanovic and Teodosic, I stopped reading. Also using NBA2K ratings to rate players, that is just

I thought about this. If i put Teodosic with NBA stars in one tier, that would be unfair, because he is not playing together. Also he is weak in defence. He is playing with europeans. This is lower level. Then i got to include Rodriguez, Heurtel, Bogdanovic and probably more players in to one tier. So why are they not playing in NBA? So i gave only two points for all european stars. I think, Sabonis and Jankunas, they are good players and they do belong to the one tier. Sabonis 2k17 rate is 72, 2k15 Jankunas - 72-74 (15.5 EFF in 2015/2016 Euroleague season), Teodosic - 76 (17.7 EFF), Bogdanovic (12.5 EFF), Bjelica - 72. If i put Sabonis and Jankunas in to lower tier, this would mean they the same level as players from south America or Australia, playing in local weaker leagues. Sabonis is playing great, also like Hernangomez or Abrines (NBA carrers). They are worth to be together in european star level. Well, im trying to be objective for all national teams. what to do with Kalnietis? He has only 1.5 points, but he provide good playing for Lithuania and that is worth more points, but my counts are based on statistics, except high level NBA players. He is lower level than Teodosic. If i gave 1.5 for Kalnietis and 2.5 points for teodosic, that would be realy unfair. And Maciulis with 1.5 points and 54 Eff in game against Georgia.

NBA stars are more worthy than Europeans stars, but many NBA players does not mean that this roster will be better than team with just one NBA player. Check Serbia with 20 points and just 1 NBA player and check Brazil with 5 NBA players and only 18 points. Another thing, i use 2K ratings just to be sure i put NBA players in to right tiers. For instance, Calderon plays 28 min per game, but he has only 72-73 2K rating. Nicola Jokic plays only 20 min per game, but he has 77 2K rating. Jokic is realy better level than veteran Calderon. So i gave 2.5 points for Jokic, and 2 points for Calderon.

[Srle]

I agree. I don't understand why everyone always overrates them.
They never do anything in these tournaments.

The thing is they only play series with New Zealand to qualify for big tournaments. Of course in few years they could be in the upper echelon with Simmons,Exum and some of their other talented players, but right now they are not that good, average at best.