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  • #46
    Canada has a few NBA role players, a few guys who won't be in the NBA much longer, some okay European players, and a 17 year-old. Heslip, who turned 26 a couple weeks ago, was the oldest player to see action today. Half their team has two years of pro experience or less. It just amazes me that people expect them to destroy a Turkish team which may not a medal contender, but still has five players from the 2014 WC quarterfinalists (with Osman developing a lot since then) plus two more solid veterans in Erden and Dixon. Like I said, there was certainly a time on this forum when no one would have expected much from this Canadian roster, so it is interesting to see how things have swung in the other direction.

    From a fan's standpoint, I certainly understand that you always want your team to play better.
    Originally posted by Fedfan
    Most ppl get childish when they lose.
    Originally posted by GuTO
    refs in games of Spain walks with literally poop in his pants afraid of the Spanish players

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    • #47
      Originally posted by usagre View Post
      Ok fair point I didn't realize Turkey maybe down that much. But similarly Canada with an excellent roster last summer lost to Venezuela so I just don't see how you can really nitpick as a Canadian supporter. They are still at the stage that every win no matter how it is achieved is paramount.
      I am not sure you really know what happened against Venezuela last summer. Canada barreled through its warm-up games and was 8-1 in the FIBA Americas leading into Venezuela with a average margin of victory of 20-30 points.
      Whether they got over confident, or were simply out game-planned or out coached or just too young and chocked, it was a massive upset by Venezuela. Stauskas and Bennett (two starters) were in the hospital with food poisoning the day off, Wiggins and Joseph failed to show up with any heart and the Latin refs stole the game for Venezuela with one of the worst last second calls I have ever witnessed.

      The pure talent difference between Canada and all the other teams in FIBA Americas was enormous and evident. However it was (and is) a very young team with poor chemistry and experience with FIBA.

      I know we have a very poor turnout and expectations should not be too high, but every one of our players is a year older, wiser and better. Guys like Khem Birch and Melvin Ejim have grown and become pretty decent players. Canada was 4-1 in the warm up games with wins over Croatia and Italy, and frankly has been looking fairly decent (although flawed) from the games I saw.

      I know this is a very poor Turkey team as told by the fans on this board. The betting lines favored Canada strongly...so sorry if I have high expectations, but considering how poor Turkey played, I am disappointed with what I saw from Canada. And as you can tell, I am really upset about how Tristan Thompson played and how he was integrated. He should have had a bench role and 10-15 minutes to get him familiar. But I can see how was needed as Turkey out sized us upfront.
      Last edited by mojo13; 07-05-2016, 07:35 PM.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Mindozas View Post
        Simply most of Europeans are aware that this Turkey is really nothing special... The worst Turkey in years, moreover they were just 14th in last Eurobasket with better roster. The game just proved that, they were really bad, but Canada wasn't much better, so I understand why mojo13 can be dissapointed here, especially since Canada looked really dull
        We were in group of death in the last EC, not fair to make a placement. We were obviously far better than this and beat Italy in group stage. This time we are really bad and weak, I must agree with you.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by JGX View Post
          Canada has a few NBA role players, a few guys who won't be in the NBA much longer, some okay European players, and a 17 year-old. Heslip, who turned 26 a couple weeks ago, was the oldest player to see action today. Half their team has two years of pro experience or less. It just amazes me that people expect them to destroy a Turkish team which may not a medal contender, but still has five players from the 2014 WC quarterfinalists (with Osman developing a lot since then) plus two more solid veterans in Erden and Dixon. Like I said, there was certainly a time on this forum when no one would have expected much from this Canadian roster, so it is interesting to see how things have swung in the other direction.

          From a fan's standpoint, I certainly understand that you always want your team to play better.
          Who are these few guys that won't be in the NBA any longer? Bennett I agree is one candidate, but there are rumors the Nets may sign him.

          It is precisely the young age of the team that gives me hope. They are rapidly improving as individual players and you are really not sure how they match against their opponents.


          EDIT: Heh...i already consider Joel Anthony out of the NBA, so he doesnt count! He is useless to this team with Thompson and Khem Birch there, as shown by his zero minutes tonight. If you are trying to say Ennis is not long for the NBA, I disagree, but that gets you to a "few".
          Last edited by mojo13; 07-05-2016, 07:36 PM.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by mojo13 View Post
            Who are these few guys that won't be in the NBA any longer? Bennett I agree is one candidate, but there are rumors the Nets may sign him.

            It is precisely the young age of the team that gives me hope. They are rapidly improving as individual players and you are really not sure how they match against their opponents.
            Bennett and Anthony were the two I was thinking of. Even if Bennett signs with the Nets there isn't anything to indicate that he has much of a future, and Anthony's career just seems to be winding down. Not sure Ennis is going to stick long-term either, but he has a few more years to prove himself.

            Agree that the future looks bright for Canada. It was a good win today.
            Originally posted by Fedfan
            Most ppl get childish when they lose.
            Originally posted by GuTO
            refs in games of Spain walks with literally poop in his pants afraid of the Spanish players

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            • #51
              A full strength Canadian team and their 2016 nba stats:

              Joseph. 8.5-2.6-3.1
              Stauskas 8.5-2.5-1.9
              Wiggins. 20.7-3.6-2.0
              Thompson 7.8-9.0-0.8
              Olynyk. 10.0-4.1-1.5

              Nicholson. 6.9-3.6-0.4
              Powell. 5.8-4.0-0.6
              Lyles. 6.1-3.7-0.7
              Ennis. 4.5-1.6-2.1

              Add Bennett and Jamal Murray and that's 11 guys. They are all young and have upside. I would have loved to have seen a majority of these guys on the roster.
              Silver medal 2012 Olympics prediction game.

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              • #52
                You and all Canadian basketball fans.
                Injuries and Free agency with the timing of this tournament impacted many countries. The sadness comes with Wiggins, Stuaskas and Lyles able to play but just saying no. I get that they are at critical stages in their NBA career, but can't help but wonder if with the changing of the qualification process, we will never see our Golden Generation play in a major tournament together.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by turk-jugoslav View Post
                  We were in group of death in the last EC, not fair to make a placement. We were obviously far better than this and beat Italy in group stage. This time we are really bad and weak, I must agree with you.
                  We didn't have Arslan in roster, if you remember? We looked much more like the team then now.
                  Somebody will say I am hater and it's impossible that player who play 10min per game can have such impact on the result, but he is typical game detroyer or better say chemistry destroyer.
                  Just look what happen to GS when he left. From the start of the season I repeated that you have the most balanced roster in Turkey and you proved by winning EC.That would be impossible with this moron.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by JGX View Post
                    ...not to mention Finnish league legend Thomas Scrubb.
                    Since Finnish league results don't carry over into this tournament, we can only assess Thomas Scrubb on the basis of his play so far in Manila. And on that basis he's been very good. In fact he was one of the best players on the floor in the Canada-Turkey game. His +/- of 9 was tied for the best with Ennis and Ejim's. And his efficiency score of 11 was the fourth best on Team Canada.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by CoachZ View Post
                      I wrote that comment before he match even started, check it. I didn't watch the game at all, will do it later. As soon as I saw the refs, I knew it will be a close game Their history says enough.
                      Having opinion without information should be the modern-day disease of human being. So, everyone can talk nonsense since it is allowed. Epic clownishness, I feel sorry for you.
                      Sports is not only considered as a superiority of physical capability. Perception, intelligence and morality assist it as well. The strong with less intelligence and comprehension can not cope with the less strong but with sufficient intelligence and comprehension. I like the sportsman who is intelligent, agile as well as morally upright.
                      Mustafa Kemal ATATURK

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by slice me nice View Post
                        Having opinion without information should be the modern-day disease of human being. So, everyone can talk nonsense since it is allowed. Epic clownishness, I feel sorry for you.
                        Please do, I live off of other people's sorry don't you know. On top of that I am a terrible human being. Funny how that works. Pathetic...

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