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  • #76
    Originally posted by Hepcat View Post
    Other posters though say Kurtinaitis is a clown. I just don't know. All I know is that a coach should be hired with a four year contract to build for the next Olympic games.

    And the Lithuanian basketball program must somehow develop centers and PGs, even if it means genetically cloning Arvydas Sabonis, Dick Stockton and Rick Nash. Does Šarūnas Marčiulionis have any children?

    Who are Dick Stockton and Rick Nash? Are they by chance relatives to John Stockton and Steve Nash?

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Hepcat View Post
      Other posters though say Kurtinaitis is a clown. I just don't know. All I know is that a coach should be hired with a four year contract to build for the next Olympic games.
      Kurtinaitis won two Eurocup's trophies in recent years. He's coaching high quality team and wasn't fired contrary to Kemzura (whatever reasons there was). Kurtinaitis made a star from Gecevičius who killed all Žalgiris' team - the core of current NT. I agree there should be a discussion - for example why shouldn't Kazlauskas be on radar? But I also 100% sure, new coach should start new Olympic cycle.
      LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

      Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
      Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
      Buzelis, Lelevicius
      Murauskas, Sirvydis
      Tubelis, Krivas

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Darknemo2000 View Post
        Who are Dick Stockton and Rick Nash? Are they by chance relatives to John Stockton and Steve Nash?
        Dick Stockton is a sports announcer and Rick Nash is a very good hockey player with both the Columbus Blue Jackets and Team Canada. While Rick Nash would be a very useful fellow to clone as well given his athletic skills, I was indeed referring to Steve Nash and John Stockton. Sorry. It's bad enough when I don't know what I'm taking about but it's worse still when I don't know who I'm talking about.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Straight forward View Post
          Kurtinaitis made a star from Gecevičius who killed all Žalgiris' team - the core of current NT.
          I take it you mean Gecevičius played very well in a game that eliminated Žalgiris' from a Euroleague competition?

          But why does Kurtinaitis arouse antipathy in some quarters? Please be objective. I just don't know.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Hepcat View Post
            I take it you mean Gecevičius played very well in a game that eliminated Žalgiris' from a Euroleague competition?

            But why does Kurtinaitis arouse antipathy in some quarters? Please be objective. I just don't know.
            most probably because he's an opinionated dude with strong leadership skills - complete opposite to soft and clueless Kemzura...there is no way he would tolerate Jasikevicius and Kleiza's effort which they displayed today in the most crucial game of the last 4 years. He also knows that basketball teams have centers too, not only undersized PF's, pretending to be them. In other words, he can trully coach a team, while Kemzura just makes excuses and pretends to know how to do it...

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Hepcat View Post
              But why does Kurtinaitis arouse antipathy in some quarters? Please be objective. I just don't know.
              First of all, he said some harsh words about Žalgiris - it might be Žalgiris' fans Also he coached Rytas two seasons recently and did well.. Maybe they have other reasons, but they have to argument...In my account Kurtinaitis is already proven and the coach with a future. Not some Obradovič yet, but really improving every year and has some nice results.

              I was refering to LKL finals.

              And Kemzura didn't have a single title before he was hired. Not to mention being anywhere near to such things as Eurocup trophy.
              Last edited by Straight forward; 08-08-2012, 04:37 PM.
              LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

              Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
              Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
              Buzelis, Lelevicius
              Murauskas, Sirvydis
              Tubelis, Krivas

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Hepcat View Post
                I take it you mean Gecevičius played very well in a game that eliminated Žalgiris' from a Euroleague competition?

                But why does Kurtinaitis arouse antipathy in some quarters? Please be objective. I just don't know.

                He alsways makes comments agaisnt Zalgiris. When Zalgiris was close to being bancrupt he said that they should nail down the windows of the sports hall and call it an end. He also never misses chance to make cheap shots at Zalgirius like "Everyone expects us to win in every game. If we loose one game its a tragedy. Zalgiris for exmple can go 0-6 and everyone are still happy."

                Comments like these are uncalled for. But other than him bashing Zal;giris from time to time he is a very good coach. He was assistant coach to Butautas in poland but he was only an asstant coach so I dont think he should be the one to blame for the head-coaches decisions.

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                • #83
                  I think it is safe to say that Russia is now the biggest threat to the USA for the gold. I know Spain is still in the competition but they seem a bit off so far in this tournament (I am posting this during Q3 of France and Spain and am not impressed).
                  KNICKS FAN THAT HATES JAMES DOLAN!

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by madmax View Post
                    most probably because he's an opinionated dude with strong leadership skills - complete opposite to soft and clueless Kemzura.... He also knows that basketball teams have centers too, not only undersized PF's, pretending to be them. In other words, he can trully coach a team, while Kemzura just makes excuses and pretends to know how to do it...
                    I said objective. None of those things are negative qualities. What are his negatives?



                    Originally posted by madmax View Post
                    there is no way he would tolerate Jasikevicius and Kleiza's effort which they displayed today in the most crucial game of the last 4 years.
                    Actually Kemzūra didn't. He replaced Kleiza. Kalnietis though didn't start playing well until sometime in the second half so there was not much that could be done abut Jasikevičius.

                    Last edited by Hepcat; 08-08-2012, 05:04 PM.

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                    • #85
                      Are you all 100% sure Kurtis would say yes to the job? What about Kazlauskas(i think he's still the best lithuanian coach), Pačėsas? Could they be serious contenders?
                      Winner of the Eurobasket 2011 IBN Prediction Game

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Straight forward View Post
                        First of all, he said some harsh words about Žalgiris - it might be Žalgiris' fans Also he coached Rytas two seasons recently and did well..
                        Oh fuck. So it's some Vilnius versus Kaunas thing again?



                        Originally posted by Darknemo2000 View Post
                        He alsways makes comments agaisnt Zalgiris. When Zalgiris was close to being bancrupt he said that they should nail down the windows of the sports hall and call it an end. He also never misses chance to make cheap shots at Zalgirius like "Everyone expects us to win in every game. If we loose one game its a tragedy. Zalgiris for exmple can go 0-6 and everyone are still happy."

                        Comments like these are uncalled for.
                        Yes. Alienating half the population of a country is never a good thing, particularly if you have any political ambitions.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Hepcat View Post
                          I said objective. None of those things are negative qualities. What are his negatives?

                          that's the whole point...your sarcasm detector is obviously malfunctioning here

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                          • #88
                            I agree - Kurtinaitis should be our next coach if we want to have a good chance at winning a medal next year. I loved him in Rytas! He's strict, knows how to develop youngsters and get the best performance out of them. He'll make everyone work - even stars such as Donatas and Kleiza. No efforts, no playing time. That's his attitude. Under him, even Valanciunas and Gecevicius looked great. And let's not forget how Rytas beat Khimki in 2009 with such stars on the team as Delfino, Garbajosa, McCartney, Fridzon, Lampe and Mozgov. And Rytas was the weaker team. Yet Kurtinaitis managed to use his players efficiently so that his team would win the final.

                            After leaving Rytas, he went to Latvia and coached the team well over there - was it first or second in it's domestic championship in group stage? After that, he went to Khimki. He coached the team to a VTB Championship title in 2011. The next year, he won the Eurocup Championship title and is moving on to Euroleague next season. And, again, here's an interview with one of the players of the team that whooped our @sses today: http://www.vtb-league.com/en/news/vi...li-bystree.htm.

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                            • #89
                              First of all,i am really glad we did not go down without a fight.
                              Secondly,i am going to say that Kemzura is a good coach,and a young one too.
                              For me this looks simple - he needs to concentrate on his carrier away from NT team.He needs to get more experience,he needs to get smarter,and who knows,in 3 or 5 or even 10 years time he might be back.For good.
                              I am asking you not to dismiss him so lightly.
                              Third place in WC gave us a false hope.
                              In a way,it wasn't his fault that 2011 euro was in Lithuania and he was made to go with older players as opposite from 2010 ,where we had young and promising team.
                              Ok,so we got to Olympics,and suddenly we are oldest team,apart from Argentina.I do not think it was his vision to begin with.
                              thirdly,i do not understand people who started to hate jasikevicius.
                              it was catch 22 from the very beginning for him this year.
                              If he had declined playing for NT team,imagine reaction of the press - traitor etc..
                              So he played - his shot vs Puerto rico was crucial to get us to London- how about that?Do you,Lietuvis,remember this?
                              And the pressure and expectations put on him were unfair.
                              And let that be a lesson to you all. Nobody beats Zalgiris 17 times in a row.

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                              • #90
                                Kurtinaitis is an obvious choice .
                                And please,i beg you,not Pacesas- he is a fraud ).Coaching Polish team and achieving like ,really nothing in Europe.
                                Kazlauskas is my second choice,but he is wise and probably doesn't need this hustle and attention.
                                There is no third choice for me,no way.
                                Now
                                Jasikevicius,Kaukenas,Broliai and Javtokas,plus probably Songaila will and should against/or willingly retire.
                                Jasaitis is on borderline for me.
                                So i say,we give one fat finger for 2013 euro,we get personal invite for WC 2014 and we go from there.
                                And my final thought for today -
                                Songaila was our best player in this tournament.
                                How about that.
                                Kudos to him and well done.
                                I hope he can get another contract in NBA,he totally deserves it.
                                And let that be a lesson to you all. Nobody beats Zalgiris 17 times in a row.

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