Quarterfinals: F.Y.R of Macedonia vs Dominican Republic

[MZT Skopje]

Oktay Mamuthi (Turkish) but born in Skopje big coach now with Efes Pilsen. Zare Markovski former Lotomatica Roma, Armani Milano and Bologna coach, Sasko Filipovski now with Union Ljubljana.

And the choosed no one Marjan Lazevski ????? at least Dokuzovski should stay, krist sake.

Our basketball federation even lost Vladimir Micov (new CSKA player) to Serbia a few months ago.

Total organisation chaos. How can Ognen Stojanovski be left out from the team ???? how can Riste Stefanov be left out former AEK, Union, Besiktas and Lukoil player.

[MZT Skopje]

I agree but it is easier to destroy Macedonia than Greece you have a bigger bench.

But Ok that only one of the factors. But who are responsible that Marin Dokuzovski gott fired ???? and to replace him with a amateur Like Marjan Lazovski is a complete joke. His best result as coach is 4th place in our domestic league.

Gecevski, Ilievski, Makaleb and Antic show up only 7 days before the torney !!! how can you prepare yourself with only 7 days ????. As exampel Kirilenko has been part of the Russian preperations for 23 days.

Lazevski is a joke, no rotation on brothers Stojanovski and Sokolov who playd 16min avg in Spain 2007, 24 min avg in Poland 2009 and 9 min avg in Lithuania playd 0 min 2012.

The 212 CM Nikolovski on he bench whole match even with Antic and Cekovski with faul problems. Instead he choosed out of form and out of fitness Gecevski. Nikolovski wos better than Gecevski the whole season and gott offer from Russian Lokomotiv but choosed the new ABA league team MZT Skopje.

We had great organization problems and federation president should resign. This is a disaster.

[Olympiacos]

Both Greece and FYROM were clearly robbed by the refs.

[MZT Skopje]

Analyze from an Serbian-Croatian-Bosnian-Macedonian-Slovenian and Montenego sport web.

The reasons for the failure of the Macedonian

http://balkan-sport.net/2012/07/razlozi-makedonskog-neuspjeha/

Macedonia failed. So close, yet so far. Small step to the historical success proved to be insurmountable, however.

Macedonian basketball miracle of EuroBasket 2011 and will continue to be at the Olympic Games in London. I will try to analyze the failure of Macedonia from the neutral angle, although last night I wholeheartedly cheer for the team.

The night after a difficult and painful defeat, however, things can look smoother and with more reality. Where we err? Who is the culprit and the main reason why the whole of Macedonia will tremble and cheer for their favorites at the Olympics in London? First things first:



1. Marjan Lazevski.

The question is, Is the coach who has achieved no Notable result, the capacity to lead the team in which we have some super star? Why was he had to change the menu? Is there a way to Dokuzovski, who made a historic success with teams of Macedonia, left on the bench? Marjan lying is not good at these meetings led qualifications. The first two meetings were evident where the worst of Macedonia and Macedonia, where the game is lost. In the first two games convincingly out jumped Macedonia, and a third more than that. Dominican Republic has had a massive 19 more jumps from Macedonia and 28-4 score from second chances points. It could have been prevented. Likewise, when the decline was evident in the game is not good mjenjao.Glavne Macedonia players spent to the limit of endurance, and had guys on the bench that they could odmjeniti and rest. After all why they led with them if they do not believe. He had to have more courage and the personal mistakes and Antic Chekovskog into play to push the young, 211 cm high Kiril Nikolovski. Especially when Gečevski looked more ridiculous than against Dominican centers.
Chemistry in the team in Lithuania and this was evident ista.Timski spirit did not exist, and this was the main forte of Macedonia in Lithuania. For all of these omissions is guilty of a menu that has borne a large share of responsibility.

2.Preperations

The team jersey is holy. At least it should be. It is clear and understandable that the players had a long and grueling season, but it Is fair to the guys who were prepared from the beginning worked hard to condition its playing for the Saints jersey coming just days before the start of qualifying. Gečevski, Ilievski and Antic had to be on prepared from start not join the team 7 days before the start. They were able to scratch apply a special program to restore freshness if they need to rest, but for team spirit had to be with the rest of the team.

3. Third Physical stores

20 differences lead after 15 minutes, play great defense and poketljivu, receive 28 points for one half and then the total decline. Players were left without air, the physical fitness of players was not good. I'm not sure whether 58 points in one half received the Macedonian U15 national team last night against the Dominican Republic. The reasons for the defeat can be traced in it.


4. Referee

Although it is not good to talk about judges, however, last night we watched a weird judging criteria. Several errors in the direct expense of Macedonia, when the Dominicans back from the abyss, it certainly was a springboard for them. The top Canadian Weiland. Yet it is Macedonia that took place knows and can do 6 or judges would not help Dminikancima to return, even though the main reasons to be sought in the first 3 items listed.

Finally, to conclude. It is easy to be a general after the battle, but I still think that some of these things above still could have been prevented. Macedonia was very close to the whole nation is proud. Especially after dropping the Greeks only small step left is a small to large investments in the Olympics. Longing for the occasion propuštenm remains difficult and is usually the Macedonian fan explain how it happened sort of decline, why are individuals seemed so disinterested as to play for 7th place on a street hoops? Why is America in the ranks of Macedonia showed the biggest heart, and you have the courage of individuals from the team after a look into the eyes of a foreigner who potted 35 points and left heart field.

We hope that the national team coaching staff to recognize problems in the Macedonian national team and will respond appropriately and eliminate those that do not deserve their knowledge and commitment to defend the colors of Macedonia

[MZT Skopje]

There are many reasons why we lost and the refs are one of them. Not only 10 times louder but greeks woul send bomb to Fiba headquarter.

We have big problems on defence with out Antic and Cekovski and both got many personal fauls with out any reason. This hit us even more than 31-9 from the line.

This should be sport but a lot of corruption among fiba and refs.

Maybe we should stop investing on basketball, close down the project MZT Skopje and the new youth project KK Junior http://junior.com.mk/cms/home/

Basketball just started to get popular in Macedonia, nice job fiba.

Handball is the most popular team sport in Macedonia and basketball started to get closer Handball more investments both federation and clubs.

Handball 18.000 fans in Belgrade

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6VMRaYaLX0

[Terrorizer]

Not really. Greece was really robbed, while MKD lost, cuz of the short bench.

If Greece shot 9 free throws all the game and their opponents got to the line 31 times then all of the people who talks of 'robbery against Greece' would be 10 times louder (and definitely more adequate). Refs heavily favoured Dominicana - it's not the only (and not even main) reason for Macedonians to lose but to write it off is a clear mistake. The main problems of Macedonia in this game was the lack of might in the paint, including being hugely outrebounded on both sides of the court, weak and nonpassionate defense in the second half and extremely short bench which brought heavy fatigue and lack of freshness to the team's leaders (who are all playing 35+ minutes in every game).

[Illegal2k10]

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Not really. Greece was really robbed, while MKD lost, cuz of the short bench.

[MZT Skopje]

I agree. The refs are making questionable calls in favor of Dominican Republic.

Though I have to agree that Dominican Republic is outrebounding Macedonia by a lot. Macedonians are sleepy on defense.

Our coach told that our players got very passive cuz of fear to get fouls we got to many fauls on key players even if it clearly was space and air between the players. He told THAT Players felt that something fishy wos going on.

Martinez did act like a football player against Antic ridiculous, com on 2 reffs very close to the situation. Later did run into our Cekovski did almost kill him still we got the foul.

Not just undeserved faul problems on key defenders and free throws just on one side of the court but at least 10 very streange calls giving ball back to DR when it should be ours.

That this can happen on a importent OG Q match, have no words.

[ners4311]

Well, If you saw the game, Macedonia basically shot from outside (and fail during the second half) and when they penetrated the dominican defense, they did it openly. The dominicans, even though they didn't have the height, they tried to play inside a lot of times.

[MZT Skopje]

Shame for our sport with reffs like this. Just look at the states 35 free throws for DR just 9 for MKD.

Hard to play defense when the reffs do not allow you to play defence. I mean Antic didint even tuch DR players on his first 3 fouls. Just way to obvious. With Antic and Cekovski with 3 fouls so fast we could no longer play defence.

Sad to see when sport become politics. Think you know who I blame here and why. Our name is to much for them. But OK if it makes them happy.

[Victorious]

Doesn't mean anything. Nigeria was pretty good last time they fielded a full team as well. Macedonia was only there because they recruited an American star, hard to take them as representative of "European basketball". Similarly, Nigeria and DR are loaded with guys born and/or raised in the US, it's a stretch to consider them representative of "rest of the world" basketball.

During the last Olympics China lost to Spain in overtime. They were very close to victory. These things happen nowadays in international basketball. Underdogs can be extremely dangerous and more than often make a surprise win.

[JGX]

By the way, what do you think about the fact of having two European teams already out: is it a downfall of European basketball or just a accidental coincidence?

Doesn't mean anything. Nigeria was pretty good last time they fielded a full team as well. Macedonia was only there because they recruited an American star, hard to take them as representative of "European basketball". Similarly, Nigeria and DR are loaded with guys born and/or raised in the US, it's a stretch to consider them representative of "rest of the world" basketball.

[NorCal]

By the way, what do you think about the fact of having two European teams already out: is it a downfall of European basketball or just a accidental coincidence?

There's a lot of chance involved in one game, obviously. But I would argue, at least from just watching most of the two games, that it appears those teams- Nigeria and D.R.- improved, not so much that Greece and Macedonia or European basketball as a whole has gotten worse.

[Terrorizer]

I've supported Macedonians mostly because I hugely liked what they were showing on the last Eurobasket. No doubt that starting five of Macedonian team has more quality than Dominican one but Macedonian roster is too limited: aside from Bo, Vlado, Pero, Vojdan and to some extent Gecevski there are no classy players in the team. Still it was their own players and coach stupidity and fault to lose a game in that way with shaky defense and no control of the game tempo after such a brilliant first half. Macedonia is a better overall team than their opponents but Dominicana chosen to fight and succeded in it playing with great physical strength and ourebounding Macedonia as if they are some midgets. Well, it's a sad result for me but I can't say that Dominicana completely didn't deserved that. Though referees were clearly on the Latin team side which is an unpleasnat thing. And while Horford sucked really hard in the first half Garcia finally stepped up and was great today hitting threes and mid jump-shots with almost perfect accuracy. Still a mediocre player but today he was MVP of the game.
By the way, what do you think about the fact of having two European teams already out: is it a downfall of European basketball or just a accidental coincidence?

[Olympiacos]

Might also be a consequence of the recent rule changes. the 3pt line is farther away and the rectangulare zone shape. this favors more athletic teams.

No. Those rules changes actually favor the European teams more. The amount of spacing on the floor is a lot less than it was with the old rules.

And from what has been said by the Euroleague officials, Euroleague will introduce some more NBA-like rules into the league like tolerance in traveling rules at the first-step and so on. What is allowed in the Euroleague will also become FIBA rule at some point.

No, because actually Euroleague has been doing it their own way. In 2008 FIBA actually changed the travel rules, but Euroleague kept them as they were.

So Euroleague is just now changing to the FIBA rule on traveling.

Does anyone ever not complain about the referees? Your act is getting old

If Team USA loses a game, there will be a thread with 100 pages at least long of Americans calling for the heads of the refs and FIBA officials.

The ironic thing of course will be that the USA would have been favored by the refs in the game by at least 70-30, if not more.