National teams contracts value

[Dorian]

Hi guys, I'm new here and I was wondering if you know how the national teams rank in terms of player's annual contracts. I was curious to see the correlation(if any) between the value and their performance. Would be great if you could help and apologies if there is already such a thread. Thanks!

[Test]

Interesting idea. Too bad many of contracts are confidential in Europe and we don't know rosters of future NTs. Of course on IBN everything possible

[Straight forward]

Well, if we would judge 5 or 10 period we could make some conclusions. IMO:

USA stands as one of the most overpaid NT. Their budget would beat any possible NT in huge difference, but they weren't that dominating in international tournaments this decade.

I believe France could pretend as the second most overpaid NT this decade. Parker, Diaw (NBA stars) and plenty of other NBA players mean very solid contracts and they were very unstable this decade in BB courts.

Lithuania, Greece, I think would stand somewhere in the middle. Lithuania could be one of the best NT here while some of our key players are underrated IMO (Šiška's contract is funny compering to his contribution, Kaukėnas was somehow unknown for big clubs for the long time), but lately some Lithuanian players hit some records (Šaras, Kleiza. Guess in which country they play ) Greece players have solid contracts while their players are playing in PAO/OLY mostly.

Spain and Argentina IMO is very adequate in the salaries and sport results. Very stable in both ends I guess

Italy comes as the most efficient NT this decade. Without superstars (arguably) they managed to be very tough in every tournament till 2006 I guess.

[Alyosha12]

Well, if we would judge 5 or 10 period we could make some conclusions. IMO:

USA stands as one of the most overpaid NT. Their budget would beat any possible NT in huge difference, but they weren't that dominating in international tournaments this decade.

I believe France could pretend as the second most overpaid NT this decade. Parker, Diaw (NBA stars) and plenty of other NBA players mean very solid contracts and they were very unstable this decade in BB courts.

Lithuania, Greece, I think would stand somewhere in the middle. Lithuania could be one of the best NT here while some of our key players are underrated IMO (Šiška's contract is funny compering to his contribution, Kaukėnas was somehow unknown for big clubs for the long time), but lately some Lithuanian players hit some records (Šaras, Kleiza. Guess in which country they play ) Greece players have solid contracts while their players are playing in PAO/OLY mostly.

Spain and Argentina IMO is very adequate in the salaries and sport results. Very stable in both ends I guess

Italy comes as the most efficient NT this decade. Without superstars (arguably) they managed to be very tough in every tournament till 2006 I guess.

Slovenia also has some well paid players, with Smodiš, Lakovič, Brezec, Udrih, Dragič, E.Lorbek and Nachbar.

[Straight forward]

Slovenia also has some well paid players, with Smodiš, Lakovič, Brezec, Udrih, Dragič, E.Lorbek and Nachbar.

Indeed. Slovenia always has solid roster (or even very solid on the paper), but never able to achieve their goals.

[Alyosha12]

Indeed. Slovenia always has solid roster (or even very solid on the paper), but never able to achieve their goals.

Yeah, tell me about it

[FIBA Europe Basket]

Greece's players:

The 2009-10 season salaries of the probable 2010 Greek national team from highest to lowest:

Theo Papaloukas = €3.5 million euros net

Dimitris Diamantidis = €2.1 million euros net

Vassilis Spanoulis = €1.9 million euros net

Ioannis Bourousis = €1.7 million euros net

Antonis Fotsis = €1.5 million euros net

Georgios Printezis = €1.2 million euros net

Panagiotis Vasilopoulos = €1.2 million euros net

Nikos Zisis = €900,000 euros net

Sofoklis Schortsanitis = €800,000 euros net

Stratos Perperoglou = €450,000 euros net


I'm pretty sure that those 10 players above have a great chance to make Greece's squad. Then after that the remaining 15 Greek players that I think have a good shot at the other 2 roster spots have salaries this season like this from highest to lowest:


Michalis Pelekanos = €700,000 euros net

Nick Calathes = €700,000 euros net

Kostas Vasileiadis = €500,000 euros net

Loukas Mavrokefalidis = €500,000 euros net

Kosta Koufos = $1,214,040 dollars gross (about €425,000 euros net)

Andreas Glyniadakis = €250,000 euros net

Kostas Papanikolaou = €250,000 euros net

Manolis Papamakarios = €240,000 euros net

Dimitrios Tsaldaris = €200,000 euros net

Ioannis Kalampokis = €200,000 euros net

Kostas Charalampidis = €165,000 euros net

Ian Vougioukas = €150,000 euros net

Marios Batis = ?

Kostas Kaimakoglou = ?

Dimitrios Mavroeidis = ?



I don't know how much Batis, Mavroeidis, and Kaimakoglou make but it should not be very much. However, I can say very confidently that both Kaimakoglou and Mavroeidis will get enormous raises next season and will have quite big contracts starting next season.

The Greek national team player pool has fairly high salaries compared to teams like USA, Spain, Argentina, France that are loaded with NBA players when you consider that they get paid in net terms and in euros, while NBA players get paid in dollars and in gross terms.

[Lebanon]

The contracts value of the Lebanese NT is 80 000- 100 000$/month.
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[Picek]

in croatian sports newspapers there was a comparison like this..
the most interesting thing is that Nene (Brazil center) earns more per year then all croatian NT players combined

[Khalid80]

in croatian sports newspapers there was a comparison like this..
the most interesting thing is that Nene (Brazil center) earns more per year then all croatian NT players combined

If we were to do the same thing for our NT, all our players combined would be worth what Sofo earns in 1 year

[yowaspopinneg]

some mistakes here, for instance siskauskas is not playing and not going to play for LT team, strange to see lithuanian dude not knowing that and including him here

As for the thread - its way too early for it, because we do not know who is going to play and who is not for each team. Now its just bull crap, or at the very best very very aproximate

[Dorian]

I hear you. However I'm not necessarily referring to the roster of the teams that will compete in next year's world cup. I'm working on a model for work and I'm trying to identify variables that can be proven to be determinants in the management/financing related decisions for a basketball club. By identifying such a trend I can derive conclusions that can be then used in the formation of the model which will test a different hypothesis. In any event, I was just looking to see if this can be a datapoint I could use and whether it's worth researching it. Anyway, I don't want to bore you with all that.

Thanks for all the info.

[boki]

My guess (some facts) for slovenian NT players:
Smodis: 2,5M € netto
Nachbar 2M netto
Lakovic 1M netto (maybe a little less with new contract)
E. Lorbek 1,2M netto
Beno Udrih around 6M USD brutto
Slokar 0,3M netto
Becirovic 0,4M netto
D. Lorbek (only monthly contracts this year - last year around 0,3M)
Vujacic 5M USD brutto
Dragic 2M USD brutto
Vidmar 0,3M netto
Klobucar 0,2M netto
Brezec 1M USD brutto

[planaria]

Brazilian NT is a mix between monster contracts and others really, really cheap:

Nenê - 10,5M USD
Leandrinho - 6,6M USD
Varejão - 6,3M USD
Splitter - 1,4M Euros
Huertas - ?
Paulão - ?
Guilherme Giovanonni - around 30.000,00 USD
Alex Garcia - around 25.000,00 USD
Marcelinho Machado - around 25.000,00 USD
Rafael Araújo - around 20.000,00 USD
Murilo Becker - around 20.000,00 USD
Jonathan Tavernari - 0 USD (NCAA)
Alexandre Olivinha - around 10.000,00 USD
JP Baptista - ?

[BrutalDlx]

Interesting project there, I myself pursued a similar one in my uni years, about 12 years back, comparing performance and other variables such as race, experience, diminishing returns of years played (experience squared) to NBA players' earnings.

Whereas I myself have no data, here's a few pointers that might assist you in estimating the European teams' and Team USA's worth, once the rosters are finalised (perhaps a starting point for estimating the worth of teams from N.&S. America and Oceania too):

- NBA franchises are obliged to announce their players' wages, and therefore you should have no problem in finding them. A fairly accurate table containing all data is here.

-Teams in Europe don't have to disclose similar data. However, contract details of most players playing for Euroleague or Eurocup sides are here and here respectively. Whereas not official data, I've found the info gathered very reliable, based on media reports throughout Europe.

- Considering that wages in Europe are reported net, while the NBA ones gross, you'll find it hard to compare between the two. I suggest you transform all wages to net earnings in euros, using the prevailing escalating US Federal income tax brackets (this site will help you). However, bear in mind that there might be other sources of income, such as sponsorship deals, that push the actual tax percentage on total earnings upwards, and that there might be seperate local or State taxes to be paid that vary throughout the US. Due to the complexity of calculating after-tax income, I suggest you sacrifice accuracy by use a rule-of-thumb approach (for example net=60%*gross)

Good luck, keep us posted on your progress.