Quarterfinals, Spain vs. Serbia

[Red 7]

With all the due respects, it is not putting Serbia back to their throne. Serbia has never been Champion (professional levels) and even though they are awarded statistically speaking the credit for Yugoslavian sucess, this is not the same country or the same system... yet they have to prove what they are made of and what they are worth. And they will, but I think that time has not yet come.

In most people's eyes ex-Yug is Serbia just as ex-USSR is Russia.

[Frosties]

In most people's eyes ex-Yug is Serbia just as ex-USSR is Russia.

Sure and I accept they get the credit. I guess the other Yugoslavian republics and in the case of the USSR the other Soviet republics (ask the Lithuanian collegues) deserves credit for the sucess too. In any case, Yugoslavia was followed by Serbia and Montenegro before they splitted up, with no basketball sucess whatsoever...

What I said is that it is not "their" throne...

Offtopic anyway.

[Buducnost PG]

Talbians played for us since 1992. Yugoslavia since 1992 was Serbia, not to compare with Yugoslavia from 1945 to 1991. In this 18 year period Serbia won 5 gold medals, 2 silver medals and 1 bronze medal. The next country is Spain with 2 gold medals, 4 silver medals and 1 bronze medal.

Since the fall of SFRJ and USSR the situation in basketball has changed totaly. Even with the bad years from 2003-2008 we are by far the best team after the USA in the new history of basketball.

And not to forget that we started to play in 1995.

[usagre]

usa beats angola by 55, who beat germany, who beat serbia.
i guess the only constant is the us, they beat everybody.

[Frosties]

Talbians played for us since 1992. Yugoslavia since 1992 was Serbia, not to compare with Yugoslavia from 1945 to 1991.

And not to forget that we started to play in 1995.

With all respects, from 1995 (after the sanctions were lifted) until 2002 it was Yugoslavia (Federal Republic) and form 2003 to 2006 it was Srbija i Crna Gora.

Since 2002 until 2007 at senior level not success has to be credited.

This said, Yugoslavia is the most sucessfull after the US... but it was not Serbia "alone", not even in 2002 or 2005...

[fastbreak]

With all the due respects, it is not putting Serbia back to their throne. Serbia has never been Champion (professional levels) and even though they are awarded statistically speaking the credit for Yugoslavian sucess, this is not the same country or the same system... yet they have to prove what they are made of and what they are worth. And they will, but I think that time has not yet come.

With all due respect, you have no idea what your talking about. We don't have to prove anything to anyone, everyone knows how much Serbia gave to basketball. Since 1992 FR Yugoslavia is Serbs(and 200k Montenegrins until 2006 when we officially changed to Serbia) only so Serbia already has 2 World Championship titles,3 Eurobasket titles and a silver medal from the 1996 Olympics, also silver and bronze Eurobasket medals. That is official and no one can take that away from Serbia!! The SFR Yugoslavia titles are lost forever(3 world titles,5 Eurobasket titles and 1 Olympics gold); I wont count silver and bronze. Those teams mostly consisted of Serbian players, Croats played a significant part too. The other former Yugo republics didn't have many players including Slovenia. But no one counts those medals and its for the best. How much do you know about Yugoslavia anyway?

Before you speak you have to know :

Note that FIBA considers the records of SFR Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union distinct from FR Yugoslavia/Serbia and Montenegro/Serbia and Russia, respectively.[3] The Republic of Serbia is the legal successor of the Serbia and Montenegro/FR Yugoslavia team.


So for this WC tournament its officially

Rank↓ Nation↓ Gold↓ Silver↓ Bronze↓ Total↓
1 USA 3 3 4 10
2 Yugoslavia 3 3 2 8
2 Soviet Union 3 3 2 8
4 Brazil 2 2 2 6
5 Serbia 2 0 0 2
6 Argentina 1 1 0 2
7 Spain 1 0 0 1
8 Russia 0 2 0 2
9 Greece 0 1 0 1
10 Chile 0 0 2 2
11 Philippines 0 0 1 1
11 Germany 0 0 1 1
11 Croatia 0 0 1 1



Serbia already has the most Eurobasket titles of all the existing nations in just 18 years.

Rank Nation Gold Silver Bronze Total
1 Soviet Union 14 3 4 21
2 Yugoslavia 5 5 3 13
3 Lithuania 3 1 1 5
– Serbia 3 1 1 5
5 Italy 2 4 4 10
6 Greece 2 1 2 5
7 Czechoslovakia 1 6 5 12
8 Spain 1 6 2 9
9 Hungary 1 1 1 3
– Russia 1 1 1 3
11 Latvia 1 1 0 2
– Germany 1 1 0 2
13 Egypt 1 0 1 2
14 France 0 1 5 6
15 Poland 0 1 3 4
16 Bulgaria 0 1 1 2
17 Israel 0 1 0 1
– Turkey 0 1 0 1
19 Croatia 0 0 2 2

[Partizan&Beer]

For me, our win in this game is more predictable than the one against Croatia. We survived the Croats and I see this as, not an easy game, but as a more certain positive outcome for us. We're up-and-coming, Spain is old news, they are read and everybody just keeps rewriting their name into the next round out of habit. You need to stop here, because Dr Ivkovic and our crazy youngsters have something to say, not tomorrow, but right now.

Keys:
1. Dr Ivkovic vs Mr Scariolo
2. A few bitch-slaps over the hands of Ricky, Bombarro and Rudy at the start of the game - as shown by Mr Bozic
3. Rebounds - we've spent our bad rebounding day against Croatia
4. Llull - will screw it up for the Spaniards
5. Tepic & Teodosic finally rising up to the challenge
6. Markovic & Paunic - solution for the ESP guards
7. Dr Ivkovic vs Mr Scariolo

At best - Serbia wins by 15; worst case scenario - Serbia wins by 5

[Frosties]

With all due respect, you have no idea what your talking about.

First, I was quoting a previous text, so chek it out to sew what was I referring to.

Second, I did not say that Yugoslavia this and that. What I said is that even if Serbia recordwise speaking is granted Yugoslavian sucess, it is not Serbia alone to be granted the personal record.

Third, the point is that Serbia with only Serbian players has still to prove they are back. They have a fantastic generation who will probably win Eurobaskets, Mundobaskets and the Diamond ball but they haven´t yet.

Fourth, Serbia gets the Yugoslavia (SFRJ and FR) sucess as its own. Fine. But it is not the case for Russia and the Soviet Union. I was also objecting that point.

[Frosties]

how much do you know about yugoslavia anyway?

Тек и можда више него ти... нпр. Yugoslavia а не yugoslavia.

[SparrowHawk]

With all the due respects, it is not putting Serbia back to their throne. Serbia has never been Champion (professional levels) and even though they are awarded statistically speaking the credit for Yugoslavian sucess, this is not the same country or the same system... yet they have to prove what they are made of and what they are worth. And they will, but I think that time has not yet come.

With all do respect don't write things you don't now.
From 1995. until not all or 11/12 players for Yugoslavian NT were Serbians.
You may fancy Spain, but Spain is not in a same league when basketball is counted, both success and tradition. You have your golden generation, but that is not even close to how many golden generations Yugoslavia, or Serbia gave.

Serbia hasn't won basketball world championship, I guess Athens and Indianapolis doesn't count, lets check Indianapolis Yugoslavia NT:

4 Bodiroga | 5 Koturović | 6 Čabarkapa | 7 Rakočević | 8 Stojaković | 9 Radmanović | 10 Jarić | 11 Drobnjak | 12 Divac | 13 Vujanić | 14 Tomašević | 15 Gurović | Coach: Pešić

Players from Serbia 11, players from Montenegro 1.

And what means professional levels, you mean we didn't win against NBA American team, well guess again and look at Indianapolis 2002. It wasn't their best stars, same as this championship, but that was NBA team.

So, my advice, stop writing about things you don't know and don't care to look, find and learn.

[anonimus]

First, I was quoting a previous text, so chek it out to sew what was I referring to.

Second, I did not say that Yugoslavia this and that. What I said is that even if Serbia recordwise speaking is granted Yugoslavian sucess, it is not Serbia alone to be granted the personal record.

Third, the point is that Serbia with only Serbian players has still to prove they are back. They have a fantastic generation who will probably win Eurobaskets, Mundobaskets and the Diamond ball but they haven´t yet.

Fourth, Serbia gets the Yugoslavia (SFRJ and FR) sucess as its own. Fine. But it is not the case for Russia and the Soviet Union. I was also objecting that point.

only 3 mne players played 4 yu in 1995-2002 period
vlado scepanovic
nikola bulatovic and
predrag drobnjak

now,get lost..

[Buducnost PG]

With all respects, from 1995 (after the sanctions were lifted) until 2002 it was Yugoslavia (Federal Republic) and form 2003 to 2006 it was Srbija i Crna Gora.

Since 2002 until 2007 at senior level not success has to be credited.

This said, Yugoslavia is the most sucessfull after the US... but it was not Serbia "alone", not even in 2002 or 2005...

Yugoslavia with Serbian population of 85% or so. If Germany tomorrow changes the name, they will lose all titles won in fudbal from 1954 on?

[Frosties]

And what means professional levels, you mean we didn't win against NBA American team, well guess again and look at Indianapolis 2002. It wasn't their best stars, same as this championship, but that was NBA team.

So, my advice, stop writing about things you don't know and don't care to look, find and learn.

Off we go again. Thanks for the advice. Whether you like it or not, Serbia is Serbia, SCG was SCG...

What I meant by professional level, dear clever clugs, is that Serbia has indeed been WC already, in Under 20 levels....

[Frosties]

You may fancy Spain, but Spain is not in a same league when basketball is counted, both success and tradition. You have your golden generation, but that is not even close to how many golden generations Yugoslavia, or Serbia gave.

I am not Spanish so that you is your (wrong) assumption.

[Frosties]

now,get lost..

Thank you. Such a gentelman you are...