All-Tournament Team - so far

[Justin in AZ]

We're not choosing statistics, we're choosing the performances, if you would put both those players such teams like Spain, Serbia, Turkey, they won't able to reach any near of those numbers..

Hmm, odd paradox. Is Scola's high averages due to his being on a bad team? Or is his scoring made easier because he has better players around him? Are saying Scola couldn't score and rebound as well on another team? Would Penney score as much on another team?

That question seems out of place. What is, is. These are the highest performances, so we reward them.

I think they are more impressive for having come on a bad team.

[Richey666]

Billups
Gordon
Durant
Scola
Love

[Cojayar]

Billups
Gordon
Durant
Scola
Love

Richey you have made a mistake, Scola is not playing for the USA.
Please correct it before you can not sleep because you are sad about this error.

[ataman5]

C - Scola
PF - Yi Jian
SF - Ilyasova
SG - Durant
PG - Marcelinho Huertas

That feels more like a dream team of this tournament.

[christodoulou76]

Richey you have made a mistake, Scola is not playing for the USA.
Please correct it before you can not sleep because you are sad about this error.

well, Scola plays in the NBA so he gets a pass, I suppose.

[Saybia]

Hmm, odd paradox. Is Scola's high averages due to his being on a bad team? Or is his scoring made easier because he has better players around him? Are saying Scola couldn't score and rebound as well on another team? Would Penney score as much on another team?

That question seems out of place. What is, is. These are the highest performances, so we reward them.

I think they are more impressive for having come on a bad team.

I'm not saying ignore all the numbers, but you cant decide just because the numbers are high, its just a decision to make by watching the games

And for me Haddadi and Yi both haven't changed anything in the process of games, in fact even they were not practically playing for their teams either, cause they were not putting something in common as a team on the field, if you would exchange Scola to one of those teams, with all isolations, he simply can do better than those,
maybe thats unlucky for them not to play in a high class team to show themselves better and to have chance to prove themselves better, and my opinion may sound unfair too,
but the teams success must always be the main criteria, carrying the team forward, Nowitzki has done those things before, and no one can question his performances or numbers
Or at present, Huertas, if you would take him out from Brazilian roster, they will still have Splitter, Barbosa, Varejao, Machado and the others, but everybody knows Huertas is a crucial member of that team, and his absence is far more important than the others, thats what I'm trying to explain, for me it's not just about the numbers, its about whether you're making a difference or not..

[NorCal]

Hmm, odd paradox. Is Scola's high averages due to his being on a bad team? Or is his scoring made easier because he has better players around him? Are saying Scola couldn't score and rebound as well on another team? Would Penney score as much on another team?

That question seems out of place. What is, is. These are the highest performances, so we reward them.

I think they are more impressive for having come on a bad team.

This is a great topic for discussion, maybe we should somehow incorporate it into a different thread.

My feeling is that, generally speaking, the best players are the ones doing the most for their team and their team is winning. Seems like a simple concept but it differentiates between a player doing a lot on a bad team (Yi) and a player doing just as much on a good team (Scola).

On a bad team a decent player gets so many more touches and the other team is more relaxed defensively because they know the team they are playing is bad. Whereas on a good team, which may have more options on offense, you are getting the other team's best effort every night and you probably won't get as many touches.

You see this all the time in the NBA, that's why a guy like Monta Ellis is nowhere near the caliber of player as, say, Kobe Bryant even though their numbers are similar.

[Justin in AZ]

On a bad team a decent player gets so many more touches and the other team is more relaxed defensively because they know the team they are playing is bad. Whereas on a good team, which may have more options on offense, you are getting the other team's best effort every night and you probably won't get as many touches.

Also consider that a great player on a bad team will be subject to special defensive schemes, such as more double teams. That is why I tend to think that individual dominance on a bad team is more difficult, or at least, can be more difficult.

[mbenga]

Who do you think has earned a spot on the All-Tournament team so far?

my choices:
Penney
Durant
Kleiza
Ilyasova
Scola

Neither. What happened in the preliminary round is totally pointless to decide the MVP or All-tournament team, what matters is what happens from today.

[UMUT_FB_LAL]

Neither. What happened in the preliminary round is totally pointless to decide the MVP or All-tournament team, what matters is what happens from today.

Yeah but he says so far

[DelijaZauvjek]

This is not the NBA. Some of you guys are basing your Team of The Tournament off of individual performances.

You have to put into account what the player has done for the team. If he team did not qualify for the next round he should not be on that list period.
Everyone here is naming stats as well. This is not how it works. I can name a good example of this: Teodosic. He doesn't have spectacular stats but he makes up 70% of our offense. He carries this team on his back. Now, he's only played a few games thus far, so I doubt he'd qualify for Team of tournament as of now but it was an example. Durant has been another player carrying the load on team USA even though he's a selfish player.

[mbenga]

So far sucks, and Greece is a very bad place to build a cosmodrom.

[christodoulou76]

So far sucks, and Greece is a very bad place to build a cosmodrom.

what is a cosmodrom?

[Luíz for 3]

This is not the NBA. Some of you guys are basing your Team of The Tournament off of individual performances.

You have to put into account what the player has done for the team. If he team did not qualify for the next round he should not be on that list period.
Everyone here is naming stats as well. This is not how it works. I can name a good example of this: Teodosic. He doesn't have spectacular stats but he makes up 70% of our offense. He carries this team on his back. Now, he's only played a few games thus far, so I doubt he'd qualify for Team of tournament as of now but it was an example. Durant has been another player carrying the load on team USA even though he's a selfish player.

Actually, stats alongside with final standings will determine the All-Tournament Team, no doubt about it. I agree with you when say some non-stats players are very important to the team. Imo, the best player in this conditions is Dimitris Diamantidis. I've watched Greece against Turkey, Russia and Puerto Rico and I really appreciated his efficiency on offense (solid 3PT shooter) and his greatness on defense.

[GustavoGanso]

Barea/Huertas/Teodosic
Penney/Delfino
Machado/Kleiza/
Durant/Ilyasova/Yi
Scola/Splitter/Haddadi

13 players