Group D, day 4, Lebanon vs. New Zealand

[allouso]

Embarrassing.

Time to rebuild from scratch.

[allouso]

hey, guys from Lebanon, where is your nba stars (Vroman and Freije)? do you still believe that they deserve to play in NBA?

You mean NBA rejects? They barely deserve to play in the Lebanese league. Both are incredibly inconsistent and shit defensively.

Well done NZ though, they were incredible.

[bhinov]

Tough luck for Lebanon.

[Lietuvis]

yes, i am assuming that lithuania and spain will beat lebanon, france will beat new zealand, and spain will beat Canada. i think these are reasonable assumptions, but by no means certainties.

But what is possible is that Lebanon may beat Lithuania and cause a 3 way tie with NZ considering NZ beat Canada. What margin would Lebanon need to secure a spot? Do they consider the overall points only between these 3 teams on such tie?

[khaledlebanon]

yes, i am assuming that lithuania and spain will beat lebanon, france will beat new zealand, and spain will beat canada. i think these are reasonable assumptions, but by no means certainties.

Hard luck Lebanon!! Very Bad Game by Lebanon, NZ did a great job!!

We still have a chance to qualify to 2nd round, if we win a game against Lithuania or Spain:P VERY hard BUT NOT impossible and Canada wins against NZ!!!


Gd Luck for Lebanon
And PLZZ for alll the lebanese fans DON'T attack the players or the Coach, i know that matt and vroman were ZERO today but in basketball this things happen!! Lets hope that they play better in the last 2 games!

[christodoulou76]

But what is possible is that Lebanon may beat Lithuania and cause a 3 way tie with NZ considering NZ beat Canada. What margin would Lebanon need to secure a spot? Do they consider the overall points only between these 3 teams on such tie?

so you are also assuming that lithuania loses to france, right? if that is the case, then the standings would end up being

france 5-0
spain 4-1
lithuania 2-3
new zealand 2-3
lebanon 2-3
canada 0-5

new zealand would have a huge advantage in this 3-way tie because of their 32-point win against Lebanon. They would likely finish 3rd, Lithuania 4th, Lebanon 5th, unless Lebanon beats Lithuania by 23 points or more.

[Lietuvis]

so you are also assuming that lithuania loses to france, right? if that is the case, then the standings would end up being

france 5-0
spain 4-1
lithuania 2-3
new zealand 2-3
lebanon 2-3
canada 0-5

new zealand would have a huge advantage in this 3-way tie because of their 32-point win against Lebanon. They would likely finish 3rd, Lithuania 4th, Lebanon 5th, unless Lebanon beats Lithuania by 23 points or more.

Ok thanks, I never understand this system of 3 way ties and yes I am assuming if Lithuania loses all remaining games as worst case scenario. Ok so 23 points is the magic number for Lebanon against us.

[daniab]

Congrats for New Zealand and hard luck for my team!

Their Serbian coach simply outclassed our whole team , they just presented a great basketball , great teamwork and great spirit and honestly we deserve the loss as it is although i have a little blame on the referees for being biased a little (to clarify my point : we deserve the loss 100% but also the referees counted a stupid technical foul on Freije but did not give attention when the New Zealand player hit aggressively Rony Fahed!

Anyway again congrats for the Tall Blacks this great show , and i hope from people to respect us , to respect our situation now , and don't use this to disrespect and attack us.

[christodoulou76]

Ok thanks, I never understand this system of 3 way ties and yes I am assuming if Lithuania loses all remaining games as worst case scenario. Ok so 23 points is the magic number for Lebanon against us.

yes, because LTU is at +13 (win against NZL)
NZL is at +32 - 13 = +19
LIB is at -32

For LIB to overcome LTU in tiebreaker, they will have to win by 23 or more. If they win by 23, point differential becomes:
LTU +13-23 = -10
NZL +32-13 = +19
LIB -32+23 = -9

[Lietuvis]

yes, because LTU is at +13 (win against NZL)
NZL is at +32 - 13 = +19
LIB is at -32

For LIB to overcome LTU in tiebreaker, they will have to win by 23 or more. If they win by 23, point differential becomes:
LTU +13-23 = -10
NZL +32-13 = +19
LIB -32+23 = -9

Fantastic, finally I understand the math! So then would the standings be?:

3. NZL +32-13 = +19
4. LIB -32+23 = -9
5. LTU +13-23 = -10

[khaledlebanon]

so you are also assuming that lithuania loses to france, right? if that is the case, then the standings would end up being

france 5-0
spain 4-1
lithuania 2-3
new zealand 2-3
lebanon 2-3
canada 0-5

new zealand would have a huge advantage in this 3-way tie because of their 32-point win against Lebanon. They would likely finish 3rd, Lithuania 4th, Lebanon 5th, unless Lebanon beats Lithuania by 23 points or more.

This what happend with Lebanon in WC 2006!!
when they won on france and venzuela !
BUT they lost by 45 pts against serbia and 23 pts against Nigeria
the final standing was:

1-Argentina
2-France 3-2
3- Serbia 2-3
4-Nigeria 2-3
5-Lebanon 2-3
6-Venzuela 1-5

Note: Venzuela won agianst Nigeria!!

[golebanon]

yes, because LTU is at +13 (win against NZL)
NZL is at +32 - 13 = +19
LIB is at -32

For LIB to overcome LTU in tiebreaker, they will have to win by 23 or more. If they win by 23, point differential becomes:
LTU +13-23 = -10
NZL +32-13 = +19
LIB -32+23 = -9

what about canada winning over new zealand?i know it's difficult but still it's an assumption
still we need to win the game against lithuania which seems to be out of reach

[christodoulou76]

Fantastic, finally I understand the math! So then would the standings be?:

3. NZL +32-13 = +19
4. LIB -32+23 = -9
5. LTU +13-23 = -10

actually, i just entered the results in the excel spreadsheet provided by our argentinian friend and it seems that overall points difference is being used to decide tiebreakers and not points difference between teams. i will look up fiba rules and report back. sorry about the confusion!

[Lietuvis]

what about canada winning over new zealand?i know it's difficult but still it's an assumption
still we need to win the game against lithuania which seems to be out of reach

I think we are assuming that Spain and France defeat all these teams. If that is the case Cananda will only have 1 win if they beat NZ.

As this is WC an upset of Spain or France could be on the cards again. I dont think we will beat Spain as we have been struggling against them for quite some time now and France seems to be playing really good at the moment.

[Lietuvis]

actually, i just entered the results in the excel spreadsheet provided by our argentinian friend and it seems that overall points difference is being used to decide tiebreakers and not points difference between teams. i will look up fiba rules and report back. sorry about the confusion!

Yeh, this is a technique that I am more familiar with as it reflects other games. Damn these FIBA rules make it so hard to work out