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Group C, Day 4, Greece Vs Turkey
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Congrats to Turkey. This was a very very very big win for the Turkish bb. Teams of the future are build upon wins like that. The truth is that it would meant very little in comparison for the Greeks. A milestone victory for one team is just another tournament win for another. Please do not get wrong, I am not saying that it was not important game for the Greeks or they did not wanted the win. On the contrary. What I am trying to say is that the Greek team was build on numerous of big, big, big wins like that over a span of 20-30 years, both home and far away. It has established its status over incredible come backs on semis and victories on finals over mighty bb teams. Greece has the balls to come back from this loss and reach the final of this tournament. So respect to Turkey for the big win, but much respect to Greece. Because only now Turkey can fully appreciate what Greece has done to be what it is!
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Originally posted by Levenspiel View PostYeah, I guess I was a bit heated up by a few comments. Anyway, I didn't mean to sound angry, sorry for that.
We have a long way to go to prove that we are one of the top teams like Greece or Spain.
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Originally posted by g.g View PostCongrats to Turkey. This was a very very very big win for the Turkish bb. Teams of the future are build upon wins like that. The truth is that it would meant very little in comparison for the Greeks. A milestone victory for one team is just another tournament win for another. Please do not get wrong, I am not saying that it was not important game for the Greeks or they did not wanted the win. On the contrary. What I am trying to say is that the Greek team was build on numerous of big, big, big wins like that over a span of 20-30 years, both home and far away. It has established its status over incredible come backs on semis and victories on finals over mighty bb teams. Greece has the balls to come back from this loss and reach the final of this tournament. So respect to Turkey for the big win, but much respect to Greece. Because only now Turkey can fully appreciate what Greece has done to be what it is!
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A big big big win for us? Please..
The 63-60 on Spain last year meant a lot more
We've beaten Lithuania, Serbia, Spain, Russia and now Greece in the last twelve months (Aren't they like the last five Eurobasket winners????)
We had Argentina by the neck and let them win miraculously
We've proven we can hang with the very bestTHE NBA IS FAKE
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Originally posted by UMUT_FB_LAL View PostHaha nice try attempting to take away from your loss, and mostly, from our win
A big big big win for us? Please..
The 63-60 on Spain last year meant a lot more
We've beaten Lithuania, Serbia, Spain and now Greece in the last twelve months
We had Argentina by the neck and let them win miraculously
We've proven we can hang with the very bestsigpic
GERA ELLADARA MOU!!!!!
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Congrats to Turkish team and fans from me as well.The game was exciting for about 25+,as long as our players had the mental power to respond to Turks' superb game.I really believe that until that point Greece was playing really well and the game in overall was one of the best I've witnessed the last years!And I really don't blame our players,I believe that they tried their best but Turks and especially Iliasova were from another planet tonight and with the support of their fantastic crowd,as soon as our players saw that all they tried couldn't stop our opponents then they got dissapointed and lost quite easily in the final period.
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Good game from Turkey. Probably the best performance I've seen from a Turkish national team since ... 2001, but it isn't coming out of nowhere. Take the 2009 performance, add home court advantage, and you'd expect them to be a tournament contender. Point guard play is a little underrated. Tunceri did only good things yesterday, he often does. Don't let bad shooting numbers fool you, he often gets the ball back late in possession and needs to hoist long three pointers.
Hedo is on course for about the same shooting percentage he had in Poland (ca. 30%; it's 23.5% now, but that will get better) so that's okay for his standards. Considering he went up against Diamantidis most of the time (who he was 0/8 on FG against), 2/12 for the game is actually pretty good.
Of course it wasn't an everyday performance by Ilyasova. It's not like he did things we hadn't seen from him at Barca or last year in Poland, it's just a question of putting it all together. 6/6 from three point land is an exceptional performance the like of which we'll hardly see again from him this tournament. He's not as awesome as Heiko Schwarzenegger after all.
Greece did so many mistakes, first applying no ball pressure whatsoever and thus letting Ilyasova run hot hurt them all game. Then Diamantidis runs a pick and roll clinic for 20 minutes against man-man, but whenever they switch to the zone, it takes Greece out. They've played ca. 102 of their 120 tournament minutes against zone.
Calathes usually boosts the defense, too bad his decisionmaking vs. the zone is more than questionable. Not sure why Kaimakoglou isn't getting more minutes on PF. Bourousis is lazy on defense. I can't count how many shooting big men or guards in isolation have made wide open threes against him because he was too lazy to challenge them at the three point line. Happened vs. Arslan and happen vs. Wang Zhizhi repeatedly. Sofo was always a step late vs. mobile centers Asik and Erden.
Too bad Greece seems to have lost the ability to play top notch defense, grind out results and get better as the tournament progresses.
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Originally posted by Fedfan View Post2 weeks ago I met also a turk who didn't even drink alcohol..imagine not even efes beer!!
Like a part looks and feels like the netherlands but two blocks ahead it's Iran. That's expected if you are fed both by East and West Culture. I believe Turkey's place is the west(after forming of the new republic), doesn't matter if western countries like it or not.
on topic: The refs made bad calls for both teams, which they compansated from time to time. i can say it was 50-50 in the end.
i could have seen this game was to be led by turkey all the time (by a relatively small margin) and it happened. The lead grew with every little thing.
Both teams played well to a point. And i was afraid of a greek comeback midway thru the 4th quarter.
Surprisingly , Turkey came up mentally stronger in this game, (And Tunçeri is an underrated player.) Greece relied too much on 3p and that was expected.
Still , i think Greece can break the idea and the tradition of being customers to Spain. And they can still compete with the USA, and it would be sad if greece had knuckled down so early. They have a great team and a great coach. They just need to focus on it. I'd really like this team being successful in this tournament
About Turkey
The offense was quite good. better than i had expected. Good pick&and rolls and nice organizations for open shots. Rolando Blackman has contributed the team well i think.
The defense, apart from 2nd quarter(which sofo became active and many 3ps were drained) was almost flawless.
Hoping for best for both teams in the days coming.
oh and Clicky!Last edited by Deschain; 09-01-2010, 07:45 AM.
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I know it was an emotional game but hold your horses people....
Last night's game didn't change the course of history or anything.
The Turkish NT is no more a medal contender than it was before the game and Greek basketball is not regressing as a fellow poster suggested.
I mean WTF? Where did you get all this stuff?
If the Greeks had hit 3-4 more out of the 333pointers they attempted i am sure that everybody here would be singing to a different tune.
The Greek NT are no scrubs today after losing clearly to the Turkish one as they were no gold metal favourites after winning most of their preparation games with more than 30 pts.
The Turkish NT has not risen a level by defeating an underperforming, poorly shooting and in the end demoralized opponent by 11 pts on their home turf, while having their best player having probably his best game ever. The simple truth is that any world class team (especially one that is playing in front of 11.000 of their fans) would have destroyed Greece last night. (If you want to read bitterness into this statement, be my guest.)
As for my opinion on the Greek NT so far, i'll comment soon.
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Originally posted by janos View PostI know it was an emotional game but hold your horses people....
Last night's game didn't change the course of history or anything.
The Turkish NT is no more a medal contender than it was before the game and Greek basketball is not regressing as a fellow poster suggested.
I mean WTF? Where did you get all this stuff?
If the Greeks had hit 3-4 more out of the 333pointers they attempted i am sure that everybody here would be singing to a different tune.
The Greek NT are no scrubs today after losing clearly to the Turkish one as they were no gold metal favourites after winning most of their preparation games with more than 30 pts.
The Turkish NT has not risen a level by defeating an underperforming, poorly shooting and in the end demoralized opponent by 11 pts on their home turf, while having their best player having probably his best game ever. The simple truth is that any world class team (especially one that is playing in front of 11.000 of their fans) would have destroyed Greece last night. (If you want to read bitterness into this statement, be my guest.)
As for my opinion on the Greek NT so far, i'll comment soon.
During the half break I was thinking that if Greece improves slightly in those two categories it would be our game again...In the sec half some very important shots did not go in while every single one went in for Turkey.
I believe that after a certain point in the game (Zisis missed open 3pointer), the Greeks simply gave up excepting that was not their night.
The real tournament haven't started yet and as an example, Greece had very similar performances at this stage in 2006 WC but the managed to reach the final.
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GERA ELLADARA MOU!!!!!
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