Group A, Day 2, Serbia vs. Germany

[bsgermany]

That's a little ridiculous, they placed lower at the Eurobasket last year than they ever did with Nowitzki.

I agree that they are better than many people expect them to be without Dirk.

If you already want to use strong words like "ridiculous", then your comparison is ridiculous. The last eurobasket was somehow the beginning of a new era, with more and more of our young talents taking over on the NT. Noone expected our team to gain more than experience there, but the team did great despite its bad record, 'cause most losses were very close and unfortunate like the one against Argentina last night. Nevertheless, games being lost in the final minutes due to lack of experience and coolness happen when you make a transition from old and experienced to young and unexperienced.
Nowitzki undoubtfully is one of the greates players, if not even the greatest player, Europe has ever exported to America - a guy who would be an improvement to absolutely every NT in the world, but this years team without Nowitzki can not rely on Dirk anymore to take over in crucial situations. That's a great learning experience for the future leaders and at the same time makes the team more unpredictable, which is kind of an advantage too.

[CG]

Obradovic developed Pekovic Obradovic is not good for young guards same like Vujosevic they just like that ugly in the paint basketball style I think both of them hate creative guards.

i knew someone will post on this
if you read what i wrote you will understand
those players had talent but Pekovic developed even further under his guidance.
even himself admitted that in many many times when gave interviews

[SparrowHawk]

5.Pekovic

Are you joking man, seriously are you joking???
Because, I can't believe you said something like this...
If you are serious, check EL, under who dominated TOP 16 2007./2008. putting your PAO out of the competition that early as a defending champion.

And about Tepic, Obradovic put him to play as a SF, the ball was never at his hands, and the only thing he did in PAO is getting a ball 2 times per game in offense to shot, at that is not how you want use Tepic. He doesn't know how to win games in last possesion, but he is a very smart player who could be used as a point forward for example.

[CG]

Are you joking man, seriously are you joking???
Because, I can't believe you said something like this...
If you are serious, check EL, under who dominated TOP 16 2007./2008. putting your PAO out of the competition that early as a defending champion.

And about Tepic, Obradovic put him to play as a SF, the ball was never at his hands, and the only thing he did in PAO is getting a ball 2 times per game in offense to shot, at that is not how you want use Tepic. He doesn't know how to win games in last possesion, but he is a very smart player who could be used as a point forward for example.

When he was in Partizan was amazing by playing 30+ min
In PAO was playing a little more than 20.
he got better with his defence,his strenth became enormous just look his body and how good athlete now he has become,he develop his percentages,he learnt how to pass when a team play him with doubleteam.He learn NOT to do silly fouls and how to use his body.He never develop his rbing skills though.
Its another thing to play in Partizan and be the star of the team and everyone searching for him and other to play for PAO with 10 stars.
without offence i remember the games of him when he was playing in partizan and how ended in PAO.Especially in the Greek league he reached the point of having above 70% at FGs in 32matches.Something unbelievable and i think Greece record for sure if you consider how many att. he had during the championship.
Tepic this year has the chance.he will have the ball.i hope he will be much better

[granger]

deserved victory for the german.
they should have win this game much earlier, obviously they have a fear of winning, but also serbia today was so fuckin crapy.

also, serbia with teo and krle are quite limited in offensive way, and without them that is horror.

[JGX]

If you already want to use strong words like "ridiculous", then your comparison is ridiculous.

The question was whether they are better without Dirk. How is it ridiculous to decide that by looking at their results?

[SparrowHawk]

When he was in Partizan was amazing by playing 30+ min
In PAO was playing a little more than 20.
he got better with his defence,his strenth became enormous just look his body and how good athlete now he has become,he develop his percentages,he learnt how to pass when a team play him with doubleteam.He learn NOT to do silly fouls and how to use his body.He never develop his rbing skills though.
Its another thing to play in Partizan and be the star of the team and other to play for PAO with 10 stars.
without offence i remember the games of him when he was playing in partizan and how ended in PAO.
Tepic this year has the chance.he will have the ball.i hope he will be much better

In last season in Partizan he played around 27min., in PAO last year 22min.
In Partizan he had ranking 19.6, in PAO 14.9.
He scored a little better in Partizan, rebounded twice as better, the rest pretty much the same.
So, I don't see some breakthrough progress.
About silly fouls, well that is what you get when you are fighting with low budget, in that time in 10 years only 1 TOP 16 success, for a F4 and you are kicking some Spanish as***, but Pekovic get whistled 3 fouls in 1Q, and 2 of them offensive.

However, I agree with you in two things:
-in PAO he learned better how to send a pass when he is doubleteamed
-he is still not good as a rebounder

About Tepic, I agree with you about next season, I think that Obradovic will use him more wisely, and we will see how will Tepic perform, I hope good, if not, he is not enough good player for PAO.

[Red 7]

Obradovic has develop a lot of players during his 11 years in PAO.Players that had big talent but became complete players under his guidance.
a small list

1.Fotsis
2.DD
3.Tsartsaris
4.Batiste
5.Pekovic and many more

If you had followed my posts you could easily realise that Tepic wasnot good this year.In fact he was a big dissapointment.Obradovic was pissed many times with his performances.This year has a big chance cause as it seems he giving to him the time and the role to help heavily PAO.But the truth is that he hasnt develop himself a bit from Partizan days..

PS PAO is playing very aggresively with many drives inside and split out.Tepic has not adapt to this role and its his own fault since PAO training all the time on this years now

Out of your list, I only agree with the fact that he developed Batiste. Pekovic was the same in Partizan. Fotsis' development was a disappointment if anything (remember years ago when scouts thought that between him and Pau Gasol, Fotsis was the better player??), Tsartsaris... (no, I'd call his career natural progression... the same for DD).

[CG]

About Tepic, I agree with you about next season, I think that Obradovic will use him more wisely, and we will see how will Tepic perform, I hope good, if not, he is not enough good player for PAO.

its really sad such talent wont be developed even further.
anyway the truth is that the coaching stuff of PAO really believe him as long as Kalathes and they will give them time to prove things this year

[Srle]

Tepic is the lost cause he will never be the star in Europe no way. His biggest mistake was Partizan signing. In the youth competition he was playing his natural 2,3 position he was very creative slashing guard. In Partizan he was never allowed to showcase that creativity they also tried to make pg out of him it was a bad system and bad coach for him . Vujosevic is the bad coach fo the r young and talented guards. Another example is Tripkovic he was also known as being very creative guard before he fell into Vujosevic hands.

[LjutiKrilo]

a bunch of funny players, huh?

it didn´t matter that chairman krstic and milos teodosic were banned ... you played 8 against 5 and you lost anyway

man, those calls by the refs were ridicolous

dont be silly man. what about 3pt shot at the end of first half?
i cant remeber who score it, but that was travelling.

what about perovic's offensive foul in OT?




nobody said anything about veličković's poor performace. five open shots and nothing
i belive he's missing pionir hall, thats the only place where he can score some points. it's not problem with evil messina who nailed him to the bench.

well that's my friends vujošević's school. guards simply have task to pass the ball to centers, and to do nothing else. tepić was a promising SG/SF when he came to partizan, but dule put him on PG position.

[SunOverHStreet]

Biggest mistake was picking Kešelj instead of Raduljica... Now we have a situation, that basically we have four players who can play at SF and only one pure C ATM. We lost the battle under the basket today, but I'm sure with presence of one more dominant big guy we could pressure them to doubleteam more and thus create more space. Blaming Tepić is easiest thing to do, but too many things didn't function this evening. Hopefully, returning of Krstić and Teodosić will give us more options in offense.

BTW, congrats to Germany, they surely know how to fight!

[SparrowHawk]

Tepic is the lost cause he will never be the star in Europe no way. His biggest mistake was Partizan signing. In the youth competition he was playing his natural 2,3 position he was very creative slashing guard. In Partizan he was never allowed to showcase that creativity they also tried to make pg out of him it was a bad system and bad coach for him . Vujosevic is the bad coach fo the r young and talented guards. Another example is Tripkovic he was also known as being very creative guard before he fell into Vujosevic hands.

Vujosevic doesn't know how to work with young guards, that is true, but Tripkovic is not creative guard, he is a poor shooter, who has his mental blocks, and if and when he sort things up, he could be absolutely brilliant.

But, even without Vujosevic, we have problems with guards because:

1)Until Ivkovic 2 years ago demanded zone to be forbidden in junior competition, we had a poor junior system which kills creative guards with 1 on 1 skills
2) Beside Partizan, we don't have serious clubs who can support and work properly with young players, maybe Hemofarm could try, but that is it. FMP takes all the big talents, and than teach them a little, don't perform good transformation to senior basketball level, and sell them as half products to bigger clubs for great money where they completely fail, because they are not ready. It is a great luck for us Duda came, and save Teodosic, he would be one of the many lost talents, but now he is a best PG in Europe. Radnicki could do something good with young players, Red Star is a joke last decade(except Pesic time) and we see now how players like Bjelica are performing in WC after year lost in Red Star developing as a player zero, or even degrading.

[Srle]

Uros Tripkovic
(Serbia & Montenegro; SG; 1986; 6'5; 30.6 mpg, 13.4 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 2.9 apg, 2.3 topg)

Tripkovic was perhaps the most elegant player at Zaragoza. In every situation on the court, no matter how difficult a play might look, he seems balanced. But beyond style, Uros is a very complete shooting guard. Another inch wouldn't hurt with his 6'5 size (maybe 6'6 in shoes), but he possesses fine athleticism, showing quickness and great leaping ability.

The most obvious skill he demonstrates is his picture perfect jumper. It is a pleasure for the eyes. Like Belinelli, he can make it static, coming off the dribble, or off a screen to catch and shoot. When he's in motion, he has the body control to use his horizontal momentum to create a marvelous vertical jump shot in one fluid movement. He is completely balanced in the air when he releases his shot, generally from very high point. All this is executed very quickly, and it gives Uros the tremendous advantage to take any shot comfortably. In Zaragoza, he was streaky, hitting only 32.6% from behind the arc, but with his mechanics I'm sure he will become a most reliable gunner in the future.

His skills are not limited to shooting. Tripkovic has some aptitude to play point guard as well, including a great handle and nice court vision. He is especially good at driving and dishing. With his quickness, first step, and dribbling ability, he penetrates with ease. He works very well without the ball, always cutting to find open looks. On defense he benefits from his strong lower body, although he was no stopper at the tournament. But he has the tools, to be sure.

Uros is a very nice prospect with a chance at the NBA. Consistency on his shot and defense are needed areas of improvement, but I think he will become a very good shooting guard. You can't rule out him playing point guard, either, but he looked to me like a full-time off guard. If Zaragoza was any indication, he seems comfortable at the two. It was not so easy to tell considering how difficult it was for the Serbian players to shine individually on a team so obsessed with systems and team

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/article/...#ixzz0y2AE5ve6

http://www.draftexpress.com

This is the scouting report for Tripkovic 7 years ago before he became full time member for the Partizan senior team. It's the same Tripkovic that I used to see on the tapes from the various youth competitions. I remember story's about NBA scouts secretly coming to Serbia for his practices they even compared him to some of the NBA greats. Sadly he had to play for Vujosevic in the system in which whenever you make any small mistake or do some flashy move you get verbally abuse and they send you to the bench. Under Vujosevic he became one dimensional player . Imagine if Rubio or Teodosic somehow ended up in Vujusevic team On the other hand Teodosic has received a lot of freedom to create in FMP and he become what he is today. Teodosic had some great games even before EC in Poland, Ivkovic gave him his freedom back playing for the NT he just continued to showcase his skills further, it is not like Ivkovic innovate Teodosic all over again he had that talent and skills under Gershon as well.

[Red 7]

Biggest mistake was picking Kešelj instead of Raduljica... Now we have a situation, that basically we have four players who can play at SF and only one pure C ATM. We lost the battle under the basket today, but I'm sure with presence of one more dominant big guy we could pressure them to doubleteam more and thus create more space. Blaming Tepić is easiest thing to do, but too many things didn't function this evening. Hopefully, returning of Krstić and Teodosić will give us more options in offense.

BTW, congrats to Germany, they surely know how to fight!

Why Keselj and not Bjelica? Keselj I believe has offered much more.