Group D, Day 2, Lithuania vs Canada

[Dreamcatcher]

is there something between you and Gecevicius? two games in a row he did shit,today he's shot didn't make it to the rim. And still you think he should be used more then the other three you mentioned. If Gecevicius payed more in this game we probably be talking about the loss. I begun to wonder is there really smth between you two or maybe it's platonic love from your side,don't know what it is

He didn't do shit in the first game. Yeah, he still couldn't make 3-pt (0/2), but overall he had normal game with 8 points.

[sagenas]

i will say this for Gecas aponents wasnt good matched neither.Yesterday he needed to guard penney today routins and obviuos that Martynas is the weakest defender in our guard line.With Pocius and Seibutis(today reinaldas should get alot of credit,he put out of the game routins not allowing even to touch the ball and make good desicions in that poinnt when we were getting back in the game) we are loosing some offence but defence is better.because pocius/seibutis can change with jasaitis and maciulis and you wont even see diferents.
But you know i agree kemzura should make something that gecas would feel his game.Because our team definitile will need his offence with stronger oponnets.But we have to understand we can wait all game until he gonna make shots,i see kemzura philosophy will be : we have kleiza and 11 equal players.So you gonna play better that day,and he gonna finish the game.Agains such team as france where we dont have a chance to get easy points from inside geceviciaus 3 pointers could be deadly weapon but he needs to get believe in himself...

Gecevičius needs to feel confidence from teammates and coaches. By the way, "Kleiza + 11 equal players" does that sounds normal for you? Andriukševičius and Klimavičius are equal to Jankūnas and Javtokas?

EDIT: last year, when Lietuvos Rytas was playing friendly games with CSKA and Triumph...Gecevičius showed nothing, but he played, then he felt self-confidence and was leader of the team all season.

It's just like that, everything have answer, there's always you can change something to improve your team, players. If Kemzūra could figure it out, then maybe...

[sashikas]

Well now we can only speculate. And I don't know the reason, only I can see that he lost his confidence and that Kemzūra can't get that from him what Kurtinaitis was able to get. And, personally, I liked that picture better, when he's not only making these shots, but playing perfect pick and rolls, passing the ball for an open player after the drives.
The question is what is better: to have that scoring machine that can run all the game or to trust Kalnietis/Delininkaitis/Pocius more? There's no compromise here obviously and I think the right choice would be the first, but I hope I'm wrong because Kemzūra will not go this way.
We'll see, but so far, I'm pretty sure our offense would look way better if Gecevičius would play the same way as he did in Rytas (even if that means some other players are not involved).

No offense and no disrespect, but you are bringing down your pretty decent reputation here and start sounding like a fanboy. What Kemzūra has to do to bring Martynas' confidence back? Let him stay on court for several wide open airballs? He was a starter today, had his opportunities but could not deliver. If the guy cannot deliver, coach must react and let in the ones that are more successfull on that day. Pocius got his chance, he delivered. Delininkaitis got a chance, he delivered too. It is not about success of one of the players. It's about the team victory.

[Shawshank]

Well now we can only speculate. And I don't know the reason, only I can see that he lost his confidence and that Kemzūra can't get that from him what Kurtinaitis was able to get. And, personally, I liked that picture better, when he's not only making these shots, but playing perfect pick and rolls, passing the ball for an open player after the drives.
The question is what is better: to have that scoring machine that can run all the game or to trust Kalnietis/Delininkaitis/Pocius more? There's no compromise here obviously and I think the right choice would be the first, but I hope I'm wrong because Kemzūra will not go this way.
We'll see, but so far, I'm pretty sure our offense would look way better if Gecevičius would play the same way as he did in Rytas (even if that means some other players are not involved).

i will say this for Gecas aponents wasnt good matched neither.Yesterday he needed to guard penney today routins and obviuos that Martynas is the weakest defender in our guard line.With Pocius and Seibutis(today reinaldas should get alot of credit,he put out of the game routins not allowing even to touch the ball and make good desicions in that poinnt when we were getting back in the game) we are loosing some offence but defence is better.because pocius/seibutis can change with jasaitis and maciulis and you wont even see diferents.
But you know i agree kemzura should make something that gecas would feel his game.Because our team definitile will need his offence with stronger oponnets.But we have to understand we can wait all game until he gonna make shots,i see kemzura philosophy will be : we have kleiza and 11 equal players.So you gonna play better that day,and he gonna finish the game.Agains such team as france where we dont have a chance to get easy points from inside geceviciaus 3 pointers could be deadly weapon but he needs to get believe in himself...

[Straight forward]

FFS - get it real... Rytas lost two games last year against the team WITHOUT a coach and one of the main centers... Gecevicius is great shooter, but.. that's all. He's not a leader (like Saras or Macas were), and probably will never be. He's overrated.. and yet - will land somewhere in midseason (I mean, he will not finish the upcoming season in your beloved rytas.

Kalnietis/Pocius/Delininkaitis - all of them are WAY BETTER at the moment, and I think - it will stay all the WC the same.

I really wasn't about to involve Rytas- Žalgiris discussion here, so let's stay on NT! Another thing, Gecevičius sucked big time tonight and I agree, I'm talking about the reasons. He was the most consistent guard from all we have in current NT. And I'm asking why these mediocre players of Euroleague, is playing better than one of the rising stars? This is all I'm asking. And there's my concern.
Anyway, I expressed my opinion and I see already Kemzūra's style and I'm not too happy about it - but we'll see.

[Blackway]

FFS - get it real... Rytas lost two games last year against the team WITHOUT a coach and one of the main centers... Gecevicius is great shooter, but.. that's all. He's not a leader (like Saras or Macas were), and probably will never be. He's overrated.. and yet - will land somewhere in midseason (I mean, he will not finish the upcoming season in your beloved rytas.

Kalnietis/Pocius/Delininkaitis - all of them are WAY BETTER at the moment, and I think - it will stay all the WC the same.

Now, now. Pocius isn't better than Gecevicius. He is simply playing better in this tournament. Gecevicius is 22 (let's not forget) and he will become a huge player.

[Simonas123]

"Lithuania finished the game with a burst of energy to edge Canada in a very closely-knit affair in day two of the FIBA World Championship in Turkey. The Lithuanians proved that a 17-point lead midway through the third quarter doesn’t guarantee anything catching the opponents late in the fourth to win 70-68 (12-20, 21-23, 22-14, 15-11) in the end."

Game report, stats, photos and comment from coach Kemzura at www.LithuaniaBasketball.com http://www.lithuaniabasketball.com/n...celebrate.html

[sagenas]

Gecevicius is out of shape, thats obvious, the only way to "bring" him into the game he used to play - giving him some major minutes in the upcoming games. But I really doubt Kemzura will do it, especially if Pocius will be playing pretty well.

On the other hand, we badly need a shooter... Maybe its worth to risk?

And that's the question - could Kemzūra risk? He's good at strategy and etc., but the main thing, he needs - balls. He didn't let play Andriuškevičius at all, when he let Seibutis play then all our team started to play, he don't give time for Gecevičius and one thing I don't like at all - he substitutes player after 1-2 turnover or missed shot...I give you example...last year in LKL finals, Bjelica played after injury, in first games he was playing very badly, but he played and we saw result in the last game, when he scored many points and was as good as we remember him. Also Kemzūra cut Motiejūnas and Klimavičius plays in NT...and one more thing...what the fuck is that our technique "if I don't know what to do, then I'll just give a ball to Kleiza and then he will manage something" ...


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EDIT: I guess some green colour fans are jeoloues, because Gecevičius plays in Lietuvos Rytas. By the way, if you say something, then give us some facts. Everyone right now is sayin' that Gecevičius playing very badly and he can't be main SG, but no one tells why?

[yessuz]

Well now we can only speculate. And I don't know the reason, only I can see that he lost his confidence and that Kemzūra can't get that from him what Kurtinaitis was able to get. And, personally, I liked that picture better, when he's not only making these shots, but playing perfect pick and rolls, passing the ball for an open player after the drives.
The question is what is better: to have that scoring machine that can run all the game or to trust Kalnietis/Delininkaitis/Pocius more? There's no compromise here obviously and I think the right choice would be the first, but I hope I'm wrong because Kemzūra will not go this way.
We'll see, but so far, I'm pretty sure our offense would look way better if Gecevičius would play the same way as he did in Rytas (even if that means some other players are not involved).

FFS - get it real... Rytas lost two games last year against the team WITHOUT a coach and one of the main centers... Gecevicius is great shooter, but.. that's all. He's not a leader (like Saras or Macas were), and probably will never be. He's overrated.. and yet - will land somewhere in midseason (I mean, he will not finish the upcoming season in your beloved rytas.

Kalnietis/Pocius/Delininkaitis - all of them are WAY BETTER at the moment, and I think - it will stay all the WC the same.

[buterbrodas]

Well now we can only speculate. And I don't know the reason, only I can see that he lost his confidence and that Kemzūra can't get that from him what Kurtinaitis was able to get. And, personally, I liked that picture better, when he's not only making these shots, but playing perfect pick and rolls, passing the ball for an open player after the drives.
The question is what is better: to have that scoring machine that can run all the game or to trust Kalnietis/Delininkaitis/Pocius more? There's no compromise here obviously and I think the right choice would be the first, but I hope I'm wrong because Kemzūra will not go this way.
We'll see, but so far, I'm pretty sure our offense would look way better if Gecevičius would play the same way as he did in Rytas (even if that means some other players are not involved).

is there something between you and Gecevicius? two games in a row he did shit,today he's shot didn't make it to the rim. And still you think he should be used more then the other three you mentioned. If Gecevicius payed more in this game we probably be talking about the loss. I begun to wonder is there really smth between you two or maybe it's platonic love from your side,don't know what it is

[Straight forward]

No offense to you but I'm getting really tired of this talk about teams losing games on purpose.

crazy green was producing pure irony obviously

[Franz]

unfortunately for Lithuania, Canada wanted to avoid first
position too and missed last shot
this group is a disgrace

No offense to you but I'm getting really tired of this talk about teams losing games on purpose.

[lafa]

the win was ugly, the play was ugly, but this NT is incomparable with the one from last year. one thing is different - coaching. you may not like some Kemzura's player selections you may not like some his substitutions, but the reading of the game, adaption to the situation, timing of timeouts is very very good. remember when delininkaitis missed all 3 free throws, he was benched, but only for a couple of minutes, to calm him down, let him rest a minute or two and then he was back on the court.

[Straight forward]

about gecevicius topic.I know what happen he is nervous BECAUSE ITS HES DEBUT! and its normal... its two diferent things to make 3 pointers when you are playing in rytas and in world championship...We have only one player i recall that when he was a rookie in n ational team was suprise its was macijauskas in 2003...but you know we cant compare calm martynas character and fearless arvydas character...and that your thing that gecevicius is guy to go at 22 years in his debut you were joking right? he gonna be good guard but definitely his not ready to become a leader atleast now..one seasion is not factor when you played 35minutes and all offence was on you (similiar as Penney yesterday).In our team penney would be average player like jasaitis...

Well now we can only speculate. And I don't know the reason, only I can see that he lost his confidence and that Kemzūra can't get that from him what Kurtinaitis was able to get. And, personally, I liked that picture better, when he's not only making these shots, but playing perfect pick and rolls, passing the ball for an open player after the drives.
The question is what is better: to have that scoring machine that can run all the game or to trust Kalnietis/Delininkaitis/Pocius more? There's no compromise here obviously and I think the right choice would be the first, but I hope I'm wrong because Kemzūra will not go this way.
We'll see, but so far, I'm pretty sure our offense would look way better if Gecevičius would play the same way as he did in Rytas (even if that means some other players are not involved).

[g.g]

Great comeback from Lithuania, they shown some metal. Well done