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  • #31
    Originally posted by Franz View Post
    DR success = more DR fans tune into basketball = more watch NBA = more watch Kings and buy merchandise

    Longterm, it will be bring new fans to the Kings from the DR and that's what Maloof and his brother want as owners.
    I want that to be true, Franz, but I just don't think that would happen. When Germany finally went to the Olympics, I don't think more German viewers started watching the NBA. Maybe I'm wrong.
    "I really like the attitudes of eagles. They never give up. When they grab a fish or something else, they never let it go. It doesn't matter. In a book, they write they find a skeleton of [an] eagle and there is no fish. It means that the fish beat him and killed him, but he didn't let go." -- Donatas Motiejunas

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    • #32
      Originally posted by mvblair View Post
      Everyone on this forum wants to see the best teams at the WC. I don't think anyone here has a problem with Manu playing for Argentina or Bogut playing for Australia. I think we all want that.

      But the NBA as a business doesn't want that at all. Even if Z played only 150 minutes in the Olympics, there is still a very, very minor chance that he could get injured, so the Cavs said "well, even though there is a %.5 chance of him getting hurt, we're not going to let him play." The chances of any player getting hurt are very, very slim, but businesses don't want to take that chance. Nobody should be surprised about that.

      Is it wrong? Yes. NBA teams should not prevent players from playing for their country.

      Do NBA teams care? No. What does Joe Maloof care if the Dominican Republic qualifies for the WC? He doesn't care. That's not going to fill his arena.
      The bottom line is that the NBA is a business just like McDonalds or Microsoft, and as an owner if I'm paying a player millions of dollars locked in by a guarenteed contract, I'd be weary of off-season activities too, especially if a player has a history of injuries like Big Z has. That's just the cold, hard nature of the business.

      Having said that, I agree that it hurts the international game when owners put pro contracts ahead of players' willingness to compete for their NTs, particularly when the player is fit and healthy during the off-season. The "players-getting-hurt" scenario can happend in a variety of ways. I guy could be working out on his treadmill at home and pull a quad muscle, or a guy could be playing in a sanctioned practice during the Summer League and get hurt. The possibility of injury can exist anytime, anyplace, so it's no different of players are playing on their national team.

      Legally, the NBA can't prevent players from playing for their NTs, and that's exactly why occasionally you hear stories about owners like the Maloofs or Mark Cuban "persuading" their players not to participate in summer-held international tournaments.

      What's really shameful is that for the last 15-20 years the NBA has been plundering international talent and using them to sell the league as a global entity, but now some owners oppose the very vehicles (Olympics/WC) that have brought them and NBA so much prestige. God damn hypocrites.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Federoy View Post
        The bottom line is that the NBA is a business just like McDonalds or Microsoft, and as an owner if I'm paying a player millions of dollars locked in by a guarenteed contract, I'd be weary of off-season activities too, especially if a player has a history of injuries like Big Z has. That's just the cold, hard nature of the business.

        Having said that, I agree that it hurts the international game when owners put pro contracts ahead of players' willingness to compete for their NTs, particularly when the player is fit and healthy during the off-season. The "players-getting-hurt" scenario can happend in a variety of ways. I guy could be working out on his treadmill at home and pull a quad muscle, or a guy could be playing in a sanctioned practice during the Summer League and get hurt. The possibility of injury can exist anytime, anyplace, so it's no different of players are playing on their national team.

        Legally, the NBA can't prevent players from playing for their NTs, and that's exactly why occasionally you hear stories about owners like the Maloofs or Mark Cuban "persuading" their players not to participate in summer-held international tournaments.

        What's really shameful is that for the last 15-20 years the NBA has been plundering international talent and using them to sell the league as a global entity, but now some owners oppose the very vehicles (Olympics/WC) that have brought them and NBA so much prestige. God damn hypocrites.
        that's why sport, not just basketball or nba, need extreem salary cap....i hate that sport become buissnies
        Jordi Bertomeu sucks!

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        • #34
          fvck the nba

          the nba doesnt own the players. soon the nba teams are gona tell you who to marry or where to live? or forbade you from speaking your native language or suggest a name change to sound more american? this isnt a white slave trade. these players have the right to do what ever they want when the offseason comes around. corporations do not own us. freedom!!!!! american corporations have to learn there are no more slaves in the 21 century. david stern understands this well, but some of his comrades need a re-education on this topic. severe re-education. if the nba doesnt do this then international players will feel discouraged from comming to the nba.i know some people in management will love this because they dont want foreigners taking jobs from american at risk youths, but this will weaken a league which is full of street ballers and lack fundamentals playas.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by perucho123 View Post
            management will love this because they dont want foreigners taking jobs from american at risk youths, but this will weaken a league which is full of street ballers and lack fundamentals playas.
            I was with you up until this point. Sometimes I wonder if people on this forum who insist on calling the NBA a "street ballers" league having ever played in or watched a pick-up game in their lives. The NBA is no where near street ball. Implied in your sentence are a whole lotta stereotypes that don't necessarily apply.
            Last edited by Federoy; 03-27-2010, 10:06 PM.

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            • #36
              my reply

              Let me tell you what i mean. im tired of dicky v., jay bilas and others blatently blast nba franchizes for drafting international players instead of the senior point guard from some unknown college. saying college kids deserve more of a chance then some foreigner? i also resent when nba comentators like jeff van gundy ,and others refer to international players as "soft", "floppers" ",un-athletic" and "good role players". can i say derek fisher! he's just a good defender i guess. when international teams beat nba dream teams in 2002,2004,2006 i heard a million excuses. what about giving credit to the world for beating all-star rosters.now the us. wins in 2008, you dont see any excuses. usa won and lets see in 2010. speaking of van gundy he never met a foreigner he actually liked. the guy is biased. ginobili is a heck of an athlete.
              i don't blame david stern for this. he's the reason basketball is the second biggest sport in the world. and the nba is among the richest leagues in all of sport including soccer. but people like mark cuban and others are sabotaging his vision. YOU HAVE TO LET PEOPLE PLAY FOR THEIR COUNTRY. its their right and they love to do it. its not a burden like it is for american nba players. this should not be an issue anymore. if they have the insurance let them play for their country

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