2023 WC Final

[basketfann]

This can happen with Croatia too. They are in 30th place but can play to the Olympics, next World Cup, Eurobasket.
And with Argentina two cycles later.

[Victorious]

The issue is that a team that participates without its very best players to the World cup and/or the wild card tournament, can't easily qualify to the Olympics, so that the players can show up there.

And since it is easier to qualify for the Eurobasket, even teams with incomplete rosters participate. So the Eurobasket may hold the most fair qualification system.

[Ridirkulous]

I think also qualifier games and pre-qualifier games count. They are multiplied only respectively by a factor of 0.5 and 0.25. So Argentina, Latvia and such do not have "empty" years. They just played lower level competitions. Also 6 year old results, like Eurobasket 2017, are worth one quarter of the results of this year.

https://www.fiba.basketball/documents/rankingmen/howitworks

[Killer Bob]

I think also qualifier games and pre-qualifier games count. They are multiplied only respectively by a factor of 0.5 and 0.25. So Argentina, Latvia and such do not have "empty" years. They just played lower level competitions. Also 6 year old results, like Eurobasket 2017, are worth one quarter of the results of this year.

https://www.fiba.basketball/document...men/howitworks

If we compare Latvia and Slovenia from 2017 till now.

2017 Slovenia first, Latvia lost against Slovenia in Qs.
Olympics, Slovenia 4th, Latvia didn't qualify.
Eurobasket, Slovenia winning the group and lost in Qs, Latvia didn't qualify for Eurbasket.
WC Slovenia 7th, Latvia 5th.

So Latvia was a little better only in WC, but has somehow enormous 43 points more, btw. 43 points is a difference between 8th Latvia and first USA. Latvia is only 16 points behind World champion Germany, who has also bronze in Eurobasket and 8th place in Olympics. Gold, bronze and 8th place vs. 5th place and 2 no qualifications is worth only 16 points more? Lol

These ratings are ridiculous.

[basketfann]

If we compare Latvia and Slovenia from 2017 till now.

2017 Slovenia first, Latvia lost against Slovenia in Qs.
Olympics, Slovenia 4th, Latvia didn't qualify.
Eurobasket, Slovenia winning the group and lost in Qs, Latvia didn't qualify for Eurbasket.
WC Slovenia 7th, Latvia 5th.

So Latvia was a little better only in WC, but has somehow enormous 43 points more, btw. 43 points is a difference between 8th Latvia and first USA. Latvia is only 16 points behind World champion Germany, who has also bronze in Eurobasket and 8th place in Olympics. Gold, bronze and 8th place vs. 5th place and 2 no qualifications is worth only 16 points more? Lol

These ratings are ridiculous.

Eurobasket counts as 1
Olympics ounts as 2
World Cup counts as 2,5!

Latvia in last 2 years- 21-3 record
Latvia started with lowest seed possible(which matters in this case) and winning all best seeds possible!
If Germany was 30th seed like Latvia then they would be rank leader by now.


Latvia in last 2 years lost only to Germany, Serbia, Canada (all medalists)
Slovenia lost to Bosnia, Poland only in Eurobasket 2022!

[Killer Bob]

Eurobasket counts as 1
Olympics ounts as 2
World Cup counts as 2,5!

Latvia in last 2 years- 21-3 record
Latvia started with lowest seed possible(which matters in this case) and winning all best seeds possible!
If Germany was 30th seed like Latvia then they would be rank leader by now.


Latvia in last 2 years lost only to Germany, Serbia, Canada (all medalists)
Slovenia lost to Bosnia, Poland only in Eurobasket 2022!

I said the rankings are ridiculous, who cares if Slovenia lost to Bosnia, if they have won their group in Eurobasket, beating France, Lithuania and Germany. That lost against Bosnia was meaningless.
On the other hand Latvia didn't even qualify for Eurobasket, because they have lost 2x to Bolgaria and BIH. It's difficult to lose matches in Eurobaset and Olympics, if you're not good enough for playing there.

You can't advance from 30th place to 8th place just because you have won against 3 good teams, 1 in meaningless game, after being nowhere since 2017. 3 wins? Lol

France has won silver in last Olympics and last Eurobasket and is behind Latvia, who didn't do anything, except 5 place in WC. Wtf?

What Fiba does with windows and these ridiculous rankings is socialism par excellence.

[basketfann]

I said the rankings are ridiculous, who cares if Slovenia lost to Bosnia, if they have won their group in Eurobasket, beating France, Lithuania and Germany. That lost against Bosnia was meaningless.
On the other hand Latvia didn't even qualified for Eurobasket, because they have lost 2x to Bolgaria and BIH. It's difficult to lose matches in Eurobaset and Olympics, if you're not good enough for playing there.

You can't advance from 30th place to 8th place just because you have won against 3 good teams, 1 in meaningless game, after being nowhere since 2017.

Latvia was always like 30th seed team (because we don't play in biggest tournaments)
Slovenia after Olympics was top seed team and losing every game against lower seed matters.

Latvia hasn't lost against lower seed in last 2 years but winning like 10 games against top20 teams and games with big margins.

Good results, lower seeding and big margins is better than just good results. This is how FIBA ranking is made.

[Killer Bob]

Latvia was always like 30th seed team (because we don't play in biggest tournaments)
Slovenia after Olympics was top seed team and losing every game against lower seed matters.

Latvia hasn't lost against lower seed in last 2 years but winning like 10 games against top20 teams and games with big margins.

Good results, lower seeding and big margins is better than just good results. This is how FIBA ranking is made.

You're telling me, that winning group in Eurobasket while losing meaningless game against Bosnia is worse than Latvia not playing there because they have lost twice against Bulgaria and Bosnia in qualifying games? Lol

Or are you telling me that France, who has winning medals repeatedly should be ranked lower than Latvia, because they played 2 bad games in WC?

I understand that's because Fiba's ridiculous socialist ranking system, but it's still incredibly stupid.

[basketfann]

I guess this ranking is not working when 30th place team is beating all teams in 2 year period.
For me personally- France, Lithuania, Slovenia should be higher in rankings.

[Killer Bob]

I guess this ranking is not working when 30th place team is beating all teams in 2 year period.
For me personally- Lithuania, Slovenia should be higher in rankings.

...and France. It's not only about places but about points too. Latvia is for some reason close to Germany.

[basketfann]

You're telling me, that winning group in Eurobasket while losing meaningless game against Bosnia is worse than Latvia not playing there because they have lost twice against Bulgaria and Bosnia in qualifying games? Lol

Or are you telling me that France, who has winning medals repeatedly should be ranked lower than Latvia, because they played 2 bad games in WC?

I understand that's because Fiba's ridiculous socialist ranking system, but it's still incredibly stupid.

I think FIFA ranking works like this too but they don't have margin points and they don't have World Cup 2,5, Eurobasket 1.0

Just wins, and higher, lower seed wins.

[basketfann]

...and France. It's not only about places but about points too. Latvia is for some reason close to Germany.

This is funny. We get medals from FIBA ranking.

In ice hockey we get medal but not ranking points

In basketball we don't get but get FIBA ranking points.

For me IIHF ranking just for places is better.(not margins, or seeds)

[Killer Bob]

This is funny. We get medals from FIBA ranking.

I guess it would have been very close between Germany and Latvia, if Germany had lost the final. So Germany basically had to win Olympics qualification tournament, be 8th in Olympics, 3rd in Eurobasket and 1st in WC to be in front of Latvia.

[basketfann]

I guess it would have been very close between Germany and Latvia, if Germany had lost the final. So Germany basically had to win Olympics qualification tournament, be 8th in Olympics, 3rd in Eurobasket and 1st in WC to be in front of Latvia.

In ice hockey we are lower than in basketball despite winning bronze and playing in Olympics(10th place in ranking)
In basketball(no medal, no Olympics but 8th place in ranking)!

[Killer Bob]

In ice hockey we are lower than in basketball despite winning bronze and playing in Olympics(10th place in ranking)
In basketball(no medal, no Olympics but 8th place in ranking)!

Everything what Fiba does is some egalitarian nonsense. Windows are the reason that some good teams are not playing in big competitions. Than you have nonsense that games against teams that are not going forward counts in next round, easier groups with clear advantage there. And then you finally have this ratings system, which is in place for the same reason, socialistic egalitarian ratings.